THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney? (882)

Oct 23, 2012 9:25 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
You better start worrying, Dude, when CBS does a segment like this on Romney. laugh applause laugh

Oct 23, 2012 9:33 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
WhatUwish4: The way I understood it, Obama wanted the Status of Forces - but didn't want the forces, which seemingly negates the entire concept.

Oh! And the White House IMMEDIATELY back-tracked Obama's statement about sequestration saying it"SHOULD NOT" happen. I hope somebody pins Obama on that today because I, for one, would like to know how Obama thinks he's going to get around it and all those cuts across the board.


It is time for more nation building instead of using trizillions of America,s money abroad Wish4!

America is strong and able of taking care of foreign real threats when ever necessary... and then having a China or NK kind of military showing off for the sake of the propoganda is not the soluttion for America what so ever.

Nation building is the main answer confronting America,s needs and for strenghtening America,s ability of compitition in the very difficult markeds of today where China and India and Brazil and Germany and even Russia and else where are getting one major advance after the other while US of A is still the very hostige of your bloody GOP and losing Feauter of America to some of the one procent greedy indifferent types like Mitt Romney and his bloody Gang!
Oct 23, 2012 9:34 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
TTom50: It is not Dude. It is Dude's ideology.....
Ditto! thumbs up handshake thumbs up
Oct 23, 2012 9:36 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: It is time for more nation building instead of using trizillions of America,s money abroad Wish4!

America is strong and able of taking care of foreign real threats when ever necessary... and then having a China or NK kind of military showing off for the sake of the propoganda is not the soluttion for America what so ever.

Nation building is the main answer confronting America,s needs and for strenghtening America,s ability of compitition in the very difficult markeds of today where China and India and Brazil and Germany and even Russia and else where are getting one major advance after the other while US of A is still the very hostige of your bloody GOP and losing Feauter of America to some of the one procent greedy indifferent types like Mitt Romney and his bloody Gang!


America is considerably weaker in both economy and military thanks to Obama. Do you realize the US represents only FIVE PERCENT of the world's population? We are the little guy compared to Asia, Europe and Latin America. Our strength has always been in our economy and our military..

The "Nation Building" needs to start at home or we won't be able to help any others.
Oct 23, 2012 9:40 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
buy american vote Romney
Oct 23, 2012 9:42 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Conrad73: Kevin Thomas Third Debate...
11-more Fact-Checked Lies by Obama

1. Obama lie No.1 “We are the same on Syria.”

-No Romney wants to arm the freedom fighters and not waste time with UN and Russia while 30,000 are killed (mostly children and women).

2. Obama Lie. No.2 “Bayonets and Weapons”

-Can someone tell Obama the marines still use bayonets and military still uses horses in the Middle East. Also, Obama wants to cut the military by 53%.

3. Obama Lie No.3 “I will stand with Israel”

-Obama refused to talk to Netanyahu so he could go on a talk show. Then 38-Democrats wrote Obama a letter begging him to repair his relationship with Israel.

4. Obama Lie No. 4 “This nation…….ME!”

Bahahahahaha, what an ego…it’s the economy stupid!

5. Obama Lie No.5 “Romney wanted to liquidate the auto industry.”

-Everyone has read Romney’s article in the NY Times where he said he wanted to put them through a managed bankruptcy, which actually protects the company, and what Obama eventually had to do anyway.

6. Obama Lie. No.6 “Didn’t want a signed Status Forces Agreement.”

-Leon Panetta and the VP tried to push through a signed Status Forces Agreement.

7. Obama Lie No.7 or just stupidity-“Biggest threat--- is Terrorists.”

-Romney’s answer of Iran with nuclear weapons is far superior.

8. Obama Lie No.8 “I have kept America Safe.”

-Gee, I wonder if the people in Libya and Fort hood feel safe, or that you covered up the truth and refused to call it a terrorist attack in specific terms.

9. Obama Lie No.9 “I did not apologize”

-Wait, Obama took a foreign trip---skipped over Israel , visited other middle east countries and said—“America dictated and was derisive to other nations.” Wow, Romney nailed you on that.

10. Obama Lie. No. 10, “I want Iran to give up nuclear weapons.”

-That’s funny, in the VP debate, Biden said you weren’t worried about Iran because they didn’t have the material to build a ---container---- to hold nuclear weapons. Hmmm…..

11. Obama Lie No.11: “"We Have These Things Called Aircraft Carriers... Ships that Go Underwater"

I will add a number 12 to that list.

Hussein claimed he took the shot that killed Bin Laden.


No Conrad... Making fun of a rediculous person like Mitt Romney who can not GET what planet he is living in, is not "lies" ... but a propper way of showing America what kind of major butthead the dang GOP have taken out of their crook only hat this time blah
Oct 23, 2012 9:44 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: No Conrad... Making fun of a rediculous person like Mitt Romney who can not GET what planet he is living in, is not "lies" ... but a propper way of showing America what kind of major butthead the dang GOP have taken out of their crook only hat this time


You're so wrong, Dude. One thing about Americans; they may not all be politically astute, they may not all be polished or rich - but they DO have a strong sense of right and wrong, decency and indecency.

Obama's behavior last night was deplorable. It will hurt him in the elections.
Oct 23, 2012 10:03 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Just as I thought!

Pundits Proclaim: Romney Passes ‘Commander-in-Chief Test’
Monday, 22 Oct 2012 11:46 PM

By David A. Patten

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney may have exchanged a tactical defeat for a strategic victory in Monday’s foreign policy debate, losing on points to the president by most accounts but scoring a solid performance that left major pundits declaring he had passed “the commander in chief test” in resounding fashion.

CNN’s flash poll taken immediately after the debate had President Barack Obama winning, 48 to 40 percent. But a host of pundits declared it a strategic win for Romney, who played it conservatively as Obama aggressively attacked his positions, repeatedly insisting to Romney “that’s not true,” and “you’ve been over the map.”

The major question for Romney going into the debate: Would he establish himself as a trustworthy alternative to Obama in the commander-in-chief’s role?

“I think Mitt Romney did something very important to his campaign tonight,” former presidential adviser David Gergen told CNN. “He passed the commander-in-chief test.

Newsmax contributor, foreign-policy expert, and Pulitzer Prize winner Judith Miller concurred.

“What would have killed him was a Gaffe-gate,” she said of Romney. “One mistake, one Gerald Ford moment of Poland not being in the Warsaw Pact. And he was not about to let that happen.”

Miller was struck by the degree of consensus between the two leaders on a wide range of foreign policy issues. She said that by taking that approach, Romney “reassured people who fear a return to a more aggressive path. People are sick of war, and I think he did that. He reassured people that he is as steady in foreign policy as he did in domestic policy. I think he passed that test.”

Similarly, Fox News commentator and Newsmax contributor Doug Schoen, a Democratic pollster, told Newsmax shortly after the debate that Romney succeeded in demonstrating he is presidential “and on an equal footing with President Obama” in the foreign-policy arena.

Romney’s highlight came as he defended America’s role in maintaining global order. To do that, he said, the nation would have to remain strong, and continue to lead on the international stage.

“We have to also stand by our allies,” he said. “I think the tension that existed between Israel and the United States was very unfortunate. I think also that pulling our missile defense program out of Poland in the way we did was also unfortunate in terms of, if you will, disrupting the relationship in some ways that existed between us.

“And then of course,” he continued, “with regards to standing for our principles, when the students took to the streets in Tehran and the people there protested, the Green Revolution occurred. For the president to be silent I thought was an enormous mistake. We have to stand for our principles, stand for our allies, stand for a strong military and stand for a stronger economy.”


Read more on Newsmax.com: Pundits Proclaim: Romney Passes ‘Commander-in-Chief Test’
Oct 23, 2012 10:04 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
stringman: no iam not a journalist. this is from a artical from aweb sight WND.
sorry for the confustion.


Oh well. It's still fascinating and wholly believable!
Oct 23, 2012 10:08 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
TTom50: I am really glad you brought this up.

Number of times in the last debate Barack Obama used the word "peace" in his debate summary..................................................zero

Number of time in the last debate Mitt romney used the word
'peace"...................................................four time in his summary

Barack Obama is no longer the canidate of "peace and prosperity". After being talked into a Libyan military response by parties from Europe...that did not have Congressional approval.....Barack Obama has become the "war making" President of the United States.

Barack Obama has no vision for peace in the world. He will simply rubber stamp any military operation that his Liberal friends in Europe wish him to.

Barack Obama talks about bringing the men home from Iraq and Afghanistan as if that is peace. But it is not. Not when you have violent demonstrations on the door of US embassies and deaths in American consulates.

His failed vision of peace did not bring Israel and the Palestine any closer to together on a middle eastern peace agreement. They have not talked in the last two years.

The reason Barack Obama cannot draw a line in the Iranian sand with Isreal. Is simple. Peace is not in his heart or agenda.....

No peace between Palestinians and Israel still? Are you stoned or some thing since you do not know why ? when a bribed butthead like Netty of Hagee and your bloody guys is the pm of Israel then what do you Expect any way?

Ultra right winger on charge are not for peace even they claim so! Netty breads and lives for new conflicts so people forgive him and his guys their milking Israel and forget it all under the fog of Fear!

Wait and see mister TT... majority of honorable people of Israel have been kind of waiting for who is going to win the presidency in US and even Netty knows this... when president Obama is THE president again and he will be I asure you... Netty and his group will get the heck out of political influence over there and letting other fabulous politicians like Mr. Peres or Mr. Barak taking over and then possibility of Real peace in that troubled area of the world which is in trouble because of BS and not a thing than BS... will have a real possibility becoming a sweet Reality during president Obama,s second term and because of president Obama of course!

Conflict of Israel and Plaestinians is the mother conflict of all, and keeps giving the Stupid getting on power all over the Middle east and Terrorists recrutting buttheads running for them and shi* like that... and Ultra right wingers on charge in Israel or in Palestinian territories will make a real peace impossible!

Netanyahou is an American Basher and certaily bad for America and have not been thankful for the unbeleivably great support of the US for his country what so ever and playing an offensiv role in american elections supporting his kind of guy Mitt Romney even the butthead should take his bloody nose out of American matters when being a head of a nation whose What EVER is depended on Americans hard earned Tax payers money... Still... not all politicians in Israel are like Netanyahou of urs and not all Israelies are for the dang bribed Netty of yours mister TT!

Wait and see... President Obama will Win... Netanyahou will Lose... and then sure... a Real Peace will be a possibility in that troubled area of the world.... which went War way only because of a Stupid GWB on charge, and specially because of 9/11 which gave the war mongers a new Hope for keep milking nations because of Fear!
Oct 23, 2012 10:10 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
stringman: 2

Obama believes that he uniquely understands the Muslim world and will bring a new era of peace with Islam, at least during his administration. There are also strong rumors in Egypt that when Obama met with the Egyptian foreign minister, he confided in him that he was a Muslim and that he would help the Islamic cause in America after he passed his health-care bill.

But as president of the United States, Obama was in a quagmire between protecting American lives and being loyal to Islam and appeasing his Islamic friends. Placing American Marines in U.S. consulates in dangerous terror-infested Islamic countries was going to jeopardize a bloody confrontation between American security and Islamists. That was also going to discredit Obama’s theory of Islam having nothing to do with terrorism. Also, if Obama were to confront militarily Muslim jihadists in Islamic countries, his whole theory that he has brought a new page in American/Islamic relations would fall apart and he would be no different from his predecessors, Bush or Reagan.

That explains why the demands for American security instead of Libyan security by U.S. Ambassador Stevens went unanswered. Obama did not want to deal with the possibility that American Marines would shoot at Muslim attackers to save American lives.

Also, according to Shariah, it is a capital crime for a Muslim individual or leader to shoot Islamists for the purpose of protecting Americans. That would make Obama, if he secretly considers himself Muslim, a violator of Shariah and an apostate. If Obama considers himself a Muslim and wears an Islamic ring, as is obvious from the photos, then he must have had a very hard time deciding how to protect the consulate without killing Muslim attackers. That is why his administration had to settle for the lesser of the two evils: to get Muslims, Libyan security, to guard the embassy; this way it would be Muslims who would have to shoot other Muslims to defend the consulate. But that plan was useless because even the Muslim guards had to follow Shariah and ran away, leaving the Americans to be killed rather than violate Shariah themselves and kill other Muslims. Obama gambled with the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others and left them as sacrificial lambs rather than violate Muslim attackers.

Now we have Obama having never fulfilled his promises of peace with the Muslim world. The murder of the Americans at the hand of Muslims did not even get us an apology from any Muslim leader or cleric. No one is taking responsibility, not even Obama.

With the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Islamists and jihadists made it clear to us that they couldn’t care less about Obama, his appeasement, his apology and even his Islam. They could not put on hold their jihad or restrain themselves for an American president who wanted to help build a better image of Islam to the world. They could not play the game with Obama and refrain from jihad even during the Obama presidency. Jihadists declared that Obama, Muslim or not, is just another American president who should not be trusted. No leader, Muslim or not, can get away from the wrath of Islamic jihad, and that is why an Islamic angry mob was recently torching Obama’s effigy in anger.

It is unfortunate that it took a tragedy in Libya and the lives of decent Americans to prove that Obama is unfit to be president. Obama has fooled many Americans for four years, and that is why when he sees the face of Romney he is reminded of a reality he could not fully eliminate. Obama knows the game is over and his presidency is over.


You words or copy and paste? confused
Oct 23, 2012 10:12 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
stringman: no iam not a journalist. this is from a artical from aweb sight WND.
sorry for the confustion.


Of course you are not ... next time bring in the link too roll eyes
Oct 23, 2012 10:15 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
WhatUwish4: A little more support than just him, Dude


...and what kind of butthead made this crap video? GOP is really getting desperate and even doing what the empty chair asked Clint to tell GOP to do to them selves , is going to help your guys Wish4 ... doh
Oct 23, 2012 10:18 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: ...and what kind of butthead made this crap video? GOP is really getting desperate and even doing what the empty chair asked Clint to tell GOP to do to them selves , is going to help your guys Wish4 ...



The same "buttheads" that brought in bin Laden. You know... the ones who put their lives on the line to keep us free? very mad

When YOUR sacrifice even comes close to matching theirs, maybe you will have room to criticize. Until then, you just look small.
Oct 23, 2012 10:57 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 50% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 46%. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided.
Oct 23, 2012 11:03 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
WhatUwish4: The same "buttheads" that brought in bin Laden. You know... the ones who put their lives on the line to keep us free?

When YOUR sacrifice even comes close to matching theirs, maybe you will have room to criticize. Until then, you just look small.


No Wish4! Not all those honorable seals are agree with the Stupid content of the video what so ever or agree with the major butthead who tells America,s secrets to the media in order of pleasing war conractors and making a money on unamericans fith coumn kind of stuff!

Majority if honorable American soldiers know EXACTLY who to vote for and support in these coming elections and Mitt Romney of urs and his buttheads from the 1800,s are Definately NOT their kind of commandor in chief! I expect Navy seals ae going to condumn this stupid insult agaisnt their commandor in chief your video truely is! scold
Oct 23, 2012 11:05 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
You didn't ask me if all the honorable SEALs agree, just who produced the video - but I'm betting MOST of the SEALs can't stand Obama.

If the majority of honorable American soldiers know exactly who to vote for, they why did all their absentee ballots mysterously disappear????
Oct 23, 2012 11:14 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
Hot_Single_Dude: No Wish4! Not all those honorable seals are agree with the Stupid content of the video what so ever or agree with the major butthead who tells America,s secrets to the media in order of pleasing war conractors and making a money on unamericans fith coumn kind of stuff!

Majority if honorable American soldiers know EXACTLY who to vote for and support in these coming elections and Mitt Romney of urs and his buttheads from the 1800,s are Definately NOT their kind of commandor in chief! I expect Navy seals ae going to condumn this stupid insult agaisnt their commandor in chief your video truely is!
That Fool-CIC didn't even know "his" Seals were sent in!
Dude you slipping something awful!rolling on the floor laughing



No Security,Lies and Videotapes is all those Idiots got!
Oct 23, 2012 11:24 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
A few days prior to the last debate, Paul Ryan said President Obama had become petty, angry and fustrated. The young man from Wisconsin nailed it on the head from the demear of the President at the final debate.

The angry stares, the petty remarks, the interruptions of a political opponent that today represents over 60m Americans. The President did a excellent job of playing to his base....fustrated liberals and dissident OWS...angry blacks and upset Hispanics...I thought. But is that really America? It is only a part of America.

Here the man has had the highest position in the land for four years, and REP have paid well over 1/2 of all the taxes in the country. Four years that have seen the largest growth in social benefits programs in the history of the country, yet the man is angry at REP? at the wealthy? That are paying more than their fair share already!

Mitt Romney did not even task the President on the failure of his administration in the security given at Benghazi.He easily could have brought up this delicate situation in the heat of the nation's political debate. But chose not to. Did that get any reaction from the President? No. Just more angry stares.

The President reminded us that he is a student of Rev Wright last night. Angry at America. Angry at rich American whites. Angry at the system. Angry at conservative politics. Most of all angry at Mitt Romney for even opposing him in this election.

If you want to know why Washington has been broken, you saw it last night. It was the attitude that Barack Obama brought to the stage at Lind University. Old saying in my part of the world....fix the attitude and fix the problem.

No one voter can fix President Obama's attitude. But over 60m of them can reject him as our next President. If we want a brighter America, that is peaceful and prosperous....I suggest we cast those ballots according.
Oct 23, 2012 11:27 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Fact Check: Obama makes questionable claim on Romney's auto bailout stance

by Joy Lin | October 23, 2012

In one of the most contentious exchanges of their final debate, President Obama and Mitt Romney clashed over the federal auto bailout of 2008, with the former accusing the latter of not supporting any forms of government assistance to auto companies.

"You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy," Obama said, going on the offensive. "You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn't true."

But Romney rejected the claim -- and he's got the op-ed he wrote to back him up.


In a 2008 op-ed entitled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," Romney did in fact call on the government to play a role in responding to the auto crisis but in the form of federal guarantees, not loans.

"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk," Romney wrote in The New York Times editorial.

The dispute between the candidates boils down to whether or not -- as President Bush, and then President Obama believed -- government loans were necessary to save Detroit or whether -- as Romney argued -- private financing, backed by federal guarantees, would have been a wiser response.
Oct 23, 2012 11:34 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4: Fact Check: Obama makes questionable claim on Romney's auto bailout stance

by Joy Lin | October 23, 2012

In one of the most contentious exchanges of their final debate, President Obama and Mitt Romney clashed over the federal auto bailout of 2008, with the former accusing the latter of not supporting any forms of government assistance to auto companies.

"You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy," Obama said, going on the offensive. "You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn't true."

But Romney rejected the claim -- and he's got the op-ed he wrote to back him up.


In a 2008 op-ed entitled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," Romney did in fact call on the government to play a role in responding to the auto crisis but in the form of federal guarantees, not loans.

"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk," Romney wrote in The New York Times editorial.

The dispute between the candidates boils down to whether or not -- as President Bush, and then President Obama believed -- government loans were necessary to save Detroit or whether -- as Romney argued -- private financing, backed by federal guarantees, would have been a wiser response.

Well,MoveonDOTorg claims Obama won it by a Country-Mile!
So do all the Circle-Flyer Leftwingers!rolling on the floor laughing
When you have practically the whole US-Press covering for the Incumbent,it's hard to get the Truth out!
They are as vociferous as our dear OP!
Constant Drone without Substance!
Oct 23, 2012 11:44 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
WhatUwish4: Fact Check: Obama makes questionable claim on Romney's auto bailout stance

by Joy Lin | October 23, 2012

In one of the most contentious exchanges of their final debate, President Obama and Mitt Romney clashed over the federal auto bailout of 2008, with the former accusing the latter of not supporting any forms of government assistance to auto companies.

"You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy," Obama said, going on the offensive. "You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn't true."

But Romney rejected the claim -- and he's got the op-ed he wrote to back him up.


In a 2008 op-ed entitled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," Romney did in fact call on the government to play a role in responding to the auto crisis but in the form of federal guarantees, not loans.

"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk," Romney wrote in The New York Times editorial.

The dispute between the candidates boils down to whether or not -- as President Bush, and then President Obama believed -- government loans were necessary to save Detroit or whether -- as Romney argued -- private financing, backed by federal guarantees, would have been a wiser response.


I know for a fact the GM went thru the bankruptcy process under the Obama administration. how do I know? I was on their suppliers cliamants list of possible parties for settlement. I was there by error. But I was there.

I could have filed for a million dollars of taxpayer TARP II monies that GM was using to settle the bankruptcy claims. But did not. They had just made a paperwork mistake. We never finalized the licensing of the advanced fuel cell. So on my part there was no supplier liability.

I had been in the negotiation process with GM to license the advanced fuel cell to them for the Volt and other HEVs. When the bankruptcy was filed. Somehow my name made into a massive supplier cliamant list. I did see the list.....it was 50,000 names long. It was mailed to me form the GM attorneys by mistake.

So if Preident Barack Obama is telling the country GM did not go thru bankruptcy...he is 100% wrong.
Oct 23, 2012 11:49 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
OP's Choice!rolling on the floor laughing

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Oct 23, 2012 11:56 AM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
Conrad73: Well,MoveonDOTorg claims Obama won it by a Country-Mile!
So do all the Circle-Flyer Leftwingers!
When you have practically the whole US-Press covering for the Incumbent,it's hard to get the Truth out!
They are as vociferous as our dear OP!
Constant Drone without Substance!


If Barack Obama had walked on the stage last night and tripped over the carpet, sat in the wrong chair, worn a Russian stick flag in his lapel, had one black shoe on and one brown shoe on, placed his elbows on the table, called the moderator a bone head for asking that question....the liberal media was going to give him a win in this debate.........rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 23, 2012 12:03 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
TTom50: I know for a fact the GM went thru the bankruptcy process under the Obama administration. how do I know? I was on their suppliers cliamants list of possible parties for settlement. I was there by error. But I was there.

I could have filed for a million dollars of taxpayer TARP II monies that GM was using to settle the bankruptcy claims. But did not. They had just made a paperwork mistake. We never finalized the licensing of the advanced fuel cell. So on my part there was no supplier liability.

I had been in the negotiation process with GM to license the advanced fuel cell to them for the Volt and other HEVs. When the bankruptcy was filed. Somehow my name made into a massive supplier cliamant list. I did see the list.....it was 50,000 names long. It was mailed to me form the GM attorneys by mistake.

So if Preident Barack Obama is telling the country GM did not go thru bankruptcy...he is 100% wrong.


I don't doubt you for a minute. I heard the exact same thing from my Chrysler contact. Moreover, as part of the "re-structuring" Obama had them close off 200 car dealerships - which sounds suspiciously like something the evil Bain is accused of.

Pot meet kettle.
Oct 23, 2012 12:04 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
In the meantime, rumors abound regarding Trump's October surprise. I've heard good money is on Trump having obtained Obama's school application stating he is an Indonesian citizen, but this also just crept up on the news...



Oct 23, 2012 12:07 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
WhatUwish4: I don't doubt you for a minute. I heard the exact same thing from my Chrysler contact. Moreover, as part of the "re-structuring" Obama had them close off 200 car dealerships - which sounds suspiciously like something the evil Bain is accused of.

Pot meet kettle.


Exactly that is how those 100s of local dealers were closed down. Many were factory dealer.....and some were franchise dealers....the difference being factory dealer is own by the maker in part or total.



All at the signature approval of the Obama's Car Czar.
Oct 23, 2012 12:07 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
factsrknown
factsrknownfactsrknownWaleska, Georgia USA5 Threads 61 Posts
Latest Iranian claim: Obama WH assured us of our nuclear rights

Senior Iranian parliamentary sources revealed on Saturday that the Swiss envoy to Tehran has quoted US President Barack Obama as acknowledging Iran’s nuclear rights.

Swiss Ambassador to Tehran Livia Leu Agosti attended a meeting with senior Iranian foreign ministry officials a few days ago to submit a letter from the US president to Tehran leaders.

Vice-Chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Hossein Ebrahimi told FNA that during the meeting, Agosti had told the Iranian officials that President Barack Obama recognizes Iran’s right of access and use of the nuclear technology.

“There are a couple of points with regard to this (US) message (to Iran),” Ebrahimi said and added, “Firstly, during the session to submit the message, the Swiss ambassador to Tehran quoted the US president as saying that ‘we (the US) recognize your nuclear rights’.”

As regards the second issue, the lawmaker said that the Swiss diplomat had also quoted Obama as saying that “I didn’t want to impose sanctions on your central bank but I had no options but to approve it since a Congress majority had approved the decision.”

Oct 23, 2012 12:10 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
WhatUwish4: In the meantime, rumors abound regarding Trump's October surprise. I've heard good money is on Trump having obtained Obama's school application stating he is an Indonesian citizen, but this also just crept up on the news...





The media was speculating that it (Trump's surprise) was Obama's birth certificates....because Obama came out with a bumper sticker with his image and a birth certificate behind it......that the Obama campaign was being preemptive.....LOL......
Oct 23, 2012 12:11 PM CST THE President Actually! Preisdent Obama or President Romney?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
factsrknown: Latest Iranian claim: Obama WH assured us of our nuclear rights

Senior Iranian parliamentary sources revealed on Saturday that the Swiss envoy to Tehran has quoted US President Barack Obama as acknowledging Iran’s nuclear rights.

Swiss Ambassador to Tehran Livia Leu Agosti attended a meeting with senior Iranian foreign ministry officials a few days ago to submit a letter from the US president to Tehran leaders.

Vice-Chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Hossein Ebrahimi told FNA that during the meeting, Agosti had told the Iranian officials that President Barack Obama recognizes Iran’s right of access and use of the nuclear technology.

“There are a couple of points with regard to this (US) message (to Iran),” Ebrahimi said and added, “Firstly, during the session to submit the message, the Swiss ambassador to Tehran quoted the US president as saying that ‘we (the US) recognize your nuclear rights’.”

As regards the second issue, the lawmaker said that the Swiss diplomat had also quoted Obama as saying that “I didn’t want to impose sanctions on your central bank but I had no options but to approve it since a Congress majority had approved the decision.”



See what happens with you talk one on one with these guys....like I said earlier.....a wire is loose someplace....and I think I know were it is......
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