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Jun 2, 2010 3:41 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Sen John Kerry is now head of the foreign Senate Committee, Joe Biden old role.

Kerry was recently asked why the Obama administration can trust the Russian on Iranian Nuclear Sanctions by Jon Gizzi.

Well I will quote....you decide.... Senator Kerry said this...if it sounds like a cut and paste from a Dude post....well maybe is.

"Russia is in a different position today than it was under President Bush. They were riding pretty high on their energy income. That has turned on them for the large measure. They now have some serious challenges and they know it. And so, I think that Russia has settle down in a post 1990 post transtition period and realizes it needs some relationships, it needs to keep some channels open to Europe. It is in transtition."

Kerry went on to say...that both Medvedev and Putin were..."actually progressives".))

Kerry went on to say that the GWB and Russian relationship borke down in his final two year because....."GWB decided unilatrolly to put a missile shield defense into Europe".

Gizzi took Kerry comments to Hadley, NSA director under Bush. Hadley says....that the US/Russia relationship detoriated when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008.

And takes them to Robert Kagan, Cargnie Endowment for International Peace. Kagan says "This is all happy talk. This is a solphistic discussion we are having with ourselves."

My thoughts. How could the GWB missile defense be unilaotral? Poland and the Check REpublic both aggreed to let it in. And wanted it. And NATO voted 100% for it. So it was not unilatrol.
It had a lot of European support. Kerry plays the revisionist history card here.

But Kerry never really answers the question if the Russian can be trusted on Iran sanctions. It is a dodge and weave. Sure the Russian are in a different position today...they feel they can get away with coup, covert maritime operation, and fake rescues of pirated ships. When they lie about little things, can you trust them with big things? Kerry and Obama think that you can.

Then again Kerry spent 3 months in Nam....and got a silver bullet wound to get out. To call those that stayed much longer war criminals. And President Obama is still trying to figure out what happened at the Start signing, when Russia tasked him like a novice leader.
Jun 2, 2010 3:50 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Dude, am not saying that the Israeli did not screw the pouch here.
Sending a handful of commando to helo rappel on a vessel of 600 is asking for trouble.

Here they are showing pic of the weapons that the activitist brought to the fight. Steel pipes, butcher knives, clubs, etc. They showed about 100 such weapons.

Also 3 radical leaders from Yemen, with alQeada ties were aboard the one of the vessel. And according to Isreal, the flottila was organized by a radical Turkish group. I will get the names next time it plays here.

What are 3 alQeada types doing on a humantartian ship headed for Gaza? If this was mid road and moderate Muslims that were doing the relief work....why is alQeada in the mix?

Look at it like this....the Israeli could have pulled a NKorea here. Just launched torpedos from the Isreali sub in the blockade...or done a air strike on the them. Rather they attempted to board. Once they had control of the vessels....it goes to a port they want it go to. Which is what you are saying.

Will say this....of the cargo inspected so far.....all seem harmless.

By the way....one ship with the 600 aboard was a pretty ship....250 LOA feet is my guess. That is as big as a destroyer.
Playing high sea's chicken is not fun.


I bet Netanyahou government is going to be history soon and even Israel is waking up a little bit late but still... majority of people of Israel are sick and tired of these corrputed politicians who for ever try to keep the trouble alive and are sure that by creating fear they can keep rulling.

I think very simple TT and for for me the most important reason regarding this current Israeli government is that they do not show the necessary respect for the american government even America is the country that pays for Israel,s security, and what ever Israel is all a bout and now after this economical catastrophy because of the Bushney,s... America better using most of her money right in the US of A and then Israeli power holders acting as if they are paying and for America and not opposite! laugh doh

Israel is a fabulous and very important country and the good people of Israel deserve to enjoy a peaceful life where they can raise their children with not so much Fear and hatered and distance to their brothers and sisters in Palesteine and the same is the case a bout paletinians who need to live a peaceful life and raising their children!

These people are actually the same and just seperated because of stupid politics and because power holders of other countries abusing the horrible for ever going on situation for their own benefit! Stop this BS and stop this stupid war of roosters here and now and as soon as possible and fire all stupid politicians from power who gain personally because of this Stupid conflict !
Jun 2, 2010 4:06 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: He is from Napa Valley, Ca....home of the crying liberal. It is so mega rich in Napa, that only thing they have to do is sit around and watch grapes grow and complain.
I really love him to answer you back because no matter how hard I try... still I am not living over there and need words being able to really punch back in these discuassions I admit. Really truely some of the same folks you call: "Crying Liberals" a definition I find very wrong of course... should come in here and discussing the issues with you.

Most times... only you and I and Conrad and not many others have been participating in these threads and there is a real need for a real democrat who strongly beleives in his ideology as you beleive in yours, coming in here and talk with you.

Home of the Crying Liberals ... Right TT ... what is your neiberhood then called? Home of the "Heroes" laugh
Jun 2, 2010 4:09 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: New Gallup Poll Out.

The Republicans have the largest lead ever over Democrats. 49% to

43%.5 months to go before the 2010. Tea Parties have grown stronger.

IND are making the choice to mid road right position. SNOB is

getting bigger. And we down to the core Democratic group. With Obama at 42% and DEM at 43% that is down to the core of the

DEM party. From here on out each vote that swings to REP, Tea

Party and IND canidates is like a two fer. One against the DEM and

one for the REP.Obama real core in the DEM party is his left liberal base. Only

about 16% in that. So 26 points to be whittled out of DEM party

now. IF we get 5 points a month till November this is a done

deal.The entire house is up for reelection. Right now, Nancy

Pelosi could be majority whip one day and tag along minority whip

the next day.Earlier REP were going to be happy if they got 8-9 in the Senate.

Now they are looking at 12-13, including the Majority Whip seat of

Reid.Speaking of Nancy Pelosi...I just heard her talk about 'the Word'.

We are talking about 'the Word' in the religious sense. The Bible,

The Word of God. She goes into a rambling 5 minute discussion

about 'the Word'. And its impact on her life. About she is all

about the 'the Word'. It was disconnected in thought and rambling

in direction. Nancy Pelosi is hurting over some deep emotional

issue. Sarah Palin understands the Word and can give you a solid

theological discussion about it. You may not agree with it. But

you can understand were she is coming from.Nancy Pelosi was like a

deer in the head lights in this ramble.Not only could I not follow the logic or theology here. But she

got stuck like a skipping record....and repeated 'the Word' 12-15

times in this.Please those voting in her district, this lady has had enough. She

has done some amazing things as majority whip. But she is walking

on emotional egg shells presently. It is time to let her step down

or vote her out. She is number 3 in our government. It is a very

scary thought to me and many others. American democracy has never

been about keeping a emotionally wounded leader in office and

power.


Gallup? Was the meat to ra TT?conversing
Jun 2, 2010 4:12 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Sen John Kerry is now head of the foreign Senate Committee, Joe Biden old role.

Kerry was recently asked why the Obama administration can trust the Russian on Iranian Nuclear Sanctions by Jon Gizzi.

Well I will quote....you decide.... Senator Kerry said this...if it sounds like a cut and paste from a Dude post....well maybe is.

"Russia is in a different position today than it was under President Bush. They were riding pretty high on their energy income. That has turned on them for the large measure. They now have some serious challenges and they know it. And so, I think that Russia has settle down in a post 1990 post transtition period and realizes it needs some relationships, it needs to keep some channels open to Europe. It is in transtition."

Kerry went on to say...that both Medvedev and Putin were..."actually progressives".))

Kerry went on to say that the GWB and Russian relationship borke down in his final two year because....."GWB decided unilatrolly to put a missile shield defense into Europe".

Gizzi took Kerry comments to Hadley, NSA director under Bush. Hadley says....that the US/Russia relationship detoriated when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008.

And takes them to Robert Kagan, Cargnie Endowment for International Peace. Kagan says "This is all happy talk. This is a solphistic discussion we are having with ourselves."

My thoughts. How could the GWB missile defense be unilaotral? Poland and the Check REpublic both aggreed to let it in. And wanted it. And NATO voted 100% for it. So it was not unilatrol.
It had a lot of European support. Kerry plays the revisionist history card here.

But Kerry never really answers the question if the Russian can be trusted on Iran sanctions. It is a dodge and weave. Sure the Russian are in a different position today...they feel they can get away with coup, covert maritime operation, and fake rescues of pirated ships. When they lie about little things, can you trust them with big things? Kerry and Obama think that you can.

Then again Kerry spent 3 months in Nam....and got a silver bullet wound to get out. To call those that stayed much longer war criminals. And President Obama is still trying to figure out what happened at the Start signing, when Russia tasked him like a novice leader.
Senator Kerry is a very admirable personality and I truely respect this guy... very clever words as usual he tells thumbs up
Jun 2, 2010 4:22 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Hurry there TT... He misses you :

Jun 2, 2010 4:32 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
Conrad73: He is sinking fast!http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Obama%27s_divine_powers_fading

If you look closely he is getting well oiled, a light, waterproof coating that he speculates will keep him afloat. There is going to be the need of new federal programs to oversee the clean up, oversee food, housing, living payments for those affected. Enter the left to the rescue with jobs provided to supply the need, along with all the operating cost to supply them. Yup, he's all greased up, and ready to slide right by.
Jun 2, 2010 4:34 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude: Senator Kerry is a very admirable personality and I truely respect this guy... very clever words as usual he tells
Traitor-Kerry?barf barf barf
Jun 2, 2010 4:35 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
The Stupid Teories of a tired old war monger dude with a certain Alzheimer and surely PTSD dammaged Brain and history of killing fellow soldiers during vietnam war and a woman abuser tax fraud very very angry poor fellow:



A man who LOST IT cheering cheering cheering yay
Jun 2, 2010 4:36 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Abram: If you look closely he is getting well oiled, a light, waterproof coating that he speculates will keep him afloat. There is going to be the need of new federal programs to oversee the clean up, oversee food, housing, living payments for those affected. Enter the left to the rescue with jobs provided to supply the need, along with all the operating cost to supply them. Yup, he's all greased up, and ready to slide right by.
or eventually it will help him slide down the Sewer easierlaugh
Jun 2, 2010 5:26 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: I really love him to answer you back because no matter how hard I try... still I am not living over there and need words being able to really punch back in these discuassions I admit. Really truely some of the same folks you call: "Crying Liberals" a definition I find very wrong of course... should come in here and discussing the issues with you.

Most times... only you and I and Conrad and not many others have been participating in these threads and there is a real need for a real democrat who strongly beleives in his ideology as you beleive in yours, coming in here and talk with you.

Home of the Crying Liberals ... Right TT ... what is your neiberhood then called? Home of the "Heroes"


Well seem he disappeared into the liberal winds of Napa valley, dudester. Like many liberals here today and gone tomorrow. He gets a small broadside and it is time to press the grapes....some want to stick it out and other flee....pseudo liberals I have learned flee at the first sign of a real political debate.
Jun 2, 2010 6:01 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Senator Kerry is a very admirable personality and I truely respect this guy... very clever words as usual he tells


You would get a raise from Kerry. How is the ketschup in Denmark?
What it is interesting about Kerry is how came into wealth. He basically married into it.

DEM have two basic ways to making themselves wealthy...marriage or write a book.

Well now they have added third....doing quid pro qous jobs....Romanoff of CO....was offered a job as well....to
DEM around the country are being asked to clarify there contact with the Administration...it is the hot potato of the present Administration. Every news outlet ask the same question now... of Obama staffer....who did you quid pro cou to get this job?

Expert are now saying the oil spill might go to Dec. See even with the relief wells field pressure will pressure out oil thru the bad well head.

Please note that is 30 days past the Nov 2010 mid term election. 5 month of bad news coming for the DEMs and Obama...but also the country maybe.
Jun 3, 2010 7:18 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
de vander Sloot resurface in the news, 5 years to the day of the
Natalie Holloway disappearance and likely murder. This time with pretty solid evidence to his participation in another murder.

A Peruvian woman was found murdered in his room after they had spent an evening in a local casino. If it sounds like a sad remake of the Holloway case....then you are reading it right.

vander Sloot has now skipped the country and seems headed to Chile, were they are searching for him.

So why post about it here?

There has been growing evidence including a taped confession to his murdering Holloway. There is no statutes of limitation to murder. Holloway case is still open here. But a cold case file.

Perhaps with evidence at the Peruvian crime scene will show more connection to the Holloway case. Pyscho murders have strange habits.

The question is will the Obama administration and AG Holder will press the Peruvian government to see that evidence? If so and there is some that further connects vander Sloot to Holloway, will they press Dutch authorities in Aruba to reopen the case against vander Sloot? Why do this?

Well if vander Sloot can be convicted not on one murder charge but on two...much easier to press and get the death sentence.

But for the Obama administration this has all sorts of
land mines. vander Sloot's father was high in the Aruba legal system. The Dutch gov't got involved in a investigation that
did a white wash on his involvement. And it was just a little
rich white girl that was murdered in Aruba.

American justice just might be doing winkie winkie to crimes against whites now. Think that I am off there? The murdered AZ rancher was a white man, hear much about the Obama administration pressing for a Mexican investigation for the parties that fled back across the border? Been listening here but not hearing. The ranchers murder seem a long forgotten crime, in the AZ immigration debate.

A small percentage of 300,000 to 400,000 illegal hispanic ( are criminals) that come into AZ will mostly commit AZ crimes against.......AZ whites. Yet the Obama administration is standing for a unfenced AZ while 600 miles of other states are fenced. There is certainly racial elements to the positions being taken on the AZ immigration law.

States like CA...were the racial mix is more balanced black, whites, and hispanic. TX .....were the racial mix is balanced between white and hispanics. CA and TX have fences along the border.

With death of a hispanic Peruvian woman, even the vander Sloot/Holloway case takes on a racial element. While from the far left, cries of racial profiling to AZ immigration law can be heard.
One would think that at this point, those cries might be for justice for both of the these young women likely murdered by a white man, vander Sloot. Only the Obama administration may not have any desire to tread the land mines for white and hispanic women that were murdered.

Racial Mix of CA/AZ/TX/NM

AZ.......77% white....3.2% black...29% hispanic...2.4% Other
CA.......60% white.....6% black....32% hispanic....11% Other
TX.......71% white....11% black....35% hispanic....14% Other
NM.......70% white....2.2%black....44% hispanic....25% Other
* Data from the 2008 US Govt Census
** Adds to more than 100% because hispanic are consider dual race
***NM from my understanding does not have very much border fence either.
Jun 3, 2010 8:54 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
AZ Governor Brewer is meeting with President Obama. To discussion the deployment of the 1200 National Guard on the border.

While outside the White House.....protestors of BOTH OBama's inablity to do comprehensive immigration reform and the AZ law are
protesting. Looks like they are taking not prisoner...but if they get close enough to the White House to put swatiska in refried beans
on the building....I hope secret service gets to them before the first one is done.

Finish the friggin fence it is a quick and non painful solution.
Jun 3, 2010 4:01 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: You would get a raise from Kerry. How is the ketschup in Denmark?
What it is interesting about Kerry is how came into wealth. He basically married into it.

DEM have two basic ways to making themselves wealthy...marriage or write a book.

Well now they have added third....doing quid pro qous jobs....Romanoff of CO....was offered a job as well....to
DEM around the country are being asked to clarify there contact with the Administration...it is the hot potato of the present Administration. Every news outlet ask the same question now... of Obama staffer....who did you quid pro cou to get this job?

Expert are now saying the oil spill might go to Dec. See even with the relief wells field pressure will pressure out oil thru the bad well head.

Please note that is 30 days past the Nov 2010 mid term election. 5 month of bad news coming for the DEMs and Obama...but also the country maybe.
yeah sure his wife is wealthy and so what? Are you jeloues TT ? rolling on the floor laughing

Kerry is an admirable personality and his wife loves him I am sure and even they seperate or some thing as many ohters doing here and there and every where then still he is a good guy and he would a million times better than any Bushney,s whom so ever if he won presidency back then when he tried and America would for SURE not having all these stupid problems I bet.

And republicans? How do they get rich TT? Receiving fraud money from oil and weapon and medical industry and creating stupid false wars and Fear mongering the society to keep winning in elections and cheating major time in taxes and stealing the money and hidden those in foreign accounts and not getting a helath insurence so they can milk american tax payers by calling an ambulance when ill and caliming being a plumber...NOT ! and making Big Lie stupid radio and tv programs to fool those STUPID enough to listen to them and beleiving in the BS they say even their lies certainly is in the sure benefit of ALQUEDA and other scum bag enemies of America and stuff and making some few americans beleive it is All right to plan terror against police and security forces of the country or the president even or flying a plane in to tax building ... well... I beleive Definately that it is way better marrying one self to money or wrting books than other way conversing

At least using one,s Charm or Brain to make money is way better than building empires on american lives TT and keep being in the pockets of medicin industry for example and fighting for their Rights instead of their fellow american country men,s lives for example!

Your guys have not even one single politician half as capable as John Kerry TT and that,s absoloutely why your guys Hate this honorable gentleman so pationaly. tongue
Jun 3, 2010 10:36 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: yeah sure his wife is wealthy and so what? Are you jeloues TT ?

Kerry is an admirable personality and his wife loves him I am sure and even they seperate or some thing as many ohters doing here and there and every where then still he is a good guy and he would a million times better than any Bushney,s whom so ever if he won presidency back then when he tried and America would for SURE not having all these stupid problems I bet.

And republicans? How do they get rich TT? Receiving fraud money from oil and weapon and medical industry and creating stupid false wars and Fear mongering the society to keep winning in elections and cheating major time in taxes and stealing the money and hidden those in foreign accounts and not getting a helath insurence so they can milk american tax payers by calling an ambulance when ill and caliming being a plumber...NOT ! and making Big Lie stupid radio and tv programs to fool those STUPID enough to listen to them and beleiving in the BS they say even their lies certainly is in the sure benefit of ALQUEDA and other scum bag enemies of America and stuff and making some few americans beleive it is All right to plan terror against police and security forces of the country or the president even or flying a plane in to tax building ... well... I beleive Definately that it is way better marrying one self to money or wrting books than other way

At least using one,s Charm or Brain to make money is way better than building empires on american lives TT and keep being in the pockets of medicin industry for example and fighting for their Rights instead of their fellow american country men,s lives for example!

Your guys have not even one single politician half as capable as John Kerry TT and that,s absoloutely why your guys Hate this honorable gentleman so pationaly.


Pharmancy industry has saved 1000s of lives. And has kept unneeded pain from any others. Oil pushs our vehicles around the planet. Weapons defend our countries and troops that are in harms way. But let do away with them because they are REP oriented. Gesh Dude desire to go back to medivial times? A horse and wagon? Leechs for medical treatment? Lance and broad sword for protection?

It ain't going to happen no matter how many Robin Hood movies you watch.

Dude....John Kerry....a honest opinion here on him. He had two wounds in Vetnam....neither was life threatening. OK? My Dad unit during the Bulge had guys getting out hospital beds with thru and thru gun shot wounds to fight.

He come home....see anti sentiment in the country...becomes a anti war activitist. How do you think that the men he left in country, felt when they saw him as a anti war activitist? Think that was very demoralising to them....to see their field leader now decrying the war? He broke faith with them.

While John Kerry may be well received in the rest of the world. He would not step across my doorstep.
Jun 3, 2010 10:41 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
It's good that you don't live in the U.S. dude!
We obviously don't see the good that you see in Omama and the harm he is doing to the Obamination!

I love you as a person but you have been stuck by the Obama bug or some critter than prevents you from seeing clearly what is really happening.

So sad...

sad flower HL
Jun 3, 2010 10:45 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
swm31
swm31swm31west harrison, Indiana USA13 Threads 642 Posts
whatever screw obama wtf
Jun 3, 2010 10:48 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
HealthyLiving: It's good that you don't live in the U.S. dude!
We obviously don't see the good that you see in Omama and the harm he is doing to the Obamination!

I love you as a person but you have been stuck by the Obama bug or some critter than prevents you from seeing clearly what is really happening.

So sad...HL

I'm not so sure it was an "Obama bug", 'cause what I heard was a rattle.
Jun 3, 2010 11:43 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
So let me explain quid pro qou to you, Dude. Explain why it is criminal act in this political context.

See the primaries are the way the people of a state select the best canidate for them to represent them in Washington. So the idea is you can many qualtified person from any of the parties running. Then the people pick the one that is best suit ed to them.

Democracy at work.

Only when the White House uses job offers to pulls canidates from primary races....it screws the concept all up. Then the canidate is not being selected by the people of the state....rather he/she is
being selected by the White House. He/She then is not holden to the people of the state for the position, but rather the White House.

What Obama ..or should I say his aids.....that say he does not have anything to do with this....even though former Pres. Clinton is involved....if you think that only aid level would get Clinton involved in quid pro qou offers....then I got land east of KSC to talk about to you. But each time they do one of these quid pro qou deals....a political machine is made in Washington. A Obama Machine....just like Chicago.

Obama is breaching the entire concept democracy with these quid pro quo deals. They are illegal and they should get him a censure or even a special prosecutor for impeachment charges.

Please note Dude.....not longer do I use 'President' in front of Obama name. He lost the title with this. Quid pro qou have long been known to be the one major 'no no' in Washington. Neither Clinton or GWB got caught in any quid pro qou deals. Obama has them coming out of the White House attic.

With the political advisors Obama has around him, I find it impossible, that they did no understand the law. That does not matter....'ignorance of the law is not a defense'.

Now they are doing a tap dance..saying others wanted to do it in the past....and.....it is the way to keep a party straight. They are right on the last part. It mean the entire DEM party could be
the craft work of the White House. And not the people of the country.

Sound a bit like socialism to you? Were the leader(s) chooses the party lower members for loyality and rewards them for service done? Sound a lot like it to me. Hence the lose of his title of President. He is just Obama to me from here on out.
Jun 4, 2010 6:47 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I had a interesting experience at the reference section of our local library yesterday. In every reference section of every library in the country, is a government publication called the "Federal Government Manual".

The Manual is a about 400 pages in length and has all the contact info, charters missions statement of the agencies, and is published for each new government. Obama's was finally put on the shelves.I have waiting to to see how much new big gov't we have.

With a 2.5 time increase in Federal Gov't spending, I was thinking that this publication would go from 400 pages to 1000 or more. But no such luck, indeed was 20 pages short of GWB's Manual.

The Manual is the one document that has the beuacractic organizational charts of the Federal government in it. As we all know the beuacricracy is the 4th part of our Federal Government.
It was not mentioned as one of the three major parts, but over time
has become entrenched as the way life and government is in Washington, as we know it.

So with this 2.5 time increase in spending, I was expecting to see organization charts that are like those accrodian X-Mas cards or birth day cards you get. The ones that pop out at you when opened.
Not so.

I was surprised to open the Manual to the Health and Human Service Agency organization chart....and see a near identical chart as to what GWB had. Is so close, I went and found the still shelved GWB manual, and compared the two. Obama's organziation HHS chart was a photo copy. So was DoD, State, Treasury, Commerce, Transportation, Energy.....they were all copies of the earlier organizational charts that had been made for GWB government.

This were hope and change, a new way of doing business in Washington, fixing a broken Washington, and my favorite..bringing Washington under control were to happen. Assuming the Obama campaign promises had any value or worth.

Yet we have GWB gov't...at least in its organizational charts....are exactly the same in Obama Federal Government Manual.

So how can the same size agencies and managed agencies handle a 2.5 time increase in funding? Do all this regulating of banks and other American financial institution? Do a vastly expanded health
care system for all 304m million Americans?

They cannot.

It is that simple. GWB was running a pretty tight ship. His staffing level for a Federal Government was pretty bare bones.
Only DoD that was running two wars got major increases in executive staffing during the GWB years.

So now Obama wants us to believe that his big government and 2.5 spending can be done in a fiscal responsible way by a the same gov't? When he promised hope and change to government? No way, hose'. It is as simple as that.

Either one of two things is going on. Either Obama has hidden government within the existing government. One that is not transperant and one that is not in these public organizational charts. But expand the Federal government to handle the 2.5 time increase in spending.

OR

Obama (and his Chicago political machine) is siffoning off billions from the Federal Government agency budgets, because the agency and accounting agencies are so understaffed and overloaded, they cannot account it.

Maybe both of them combined.

Hidden governments are not unknown. Nor is government corruption that take billions of tax payers dollars into pockets of leaders and the inside group. If one compares the two most recent Federal Government Manuals.......one gets a idea that this is what is happening today in America.
Jun 4, 2010 7:09 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
ttom500: I had a interesting experience at the reference section of our local library yesterday. In every reference section of every library in the country, is a government publication called the "Federal Government Manual".

The Manual is a about 400 pages in length and has all the contact info, charters missions statement of the agencies, and is published for each new government. Obama's was finally put on the shelves.I have waiting to to see how much new big gov't we have.

With a 2.5 time increase in Federal Gov't spending, I was thinking that this publication would go from 400 pages to 1000 or more. But no such luck, indeed was 20 pages short of GWB's Manual.

The Manual is the one document that has the beuacractic organizational charts of the Federal government in it. As we all know the beuacricracy is the 4th part of our Federal Government.
It was not mentioned as one of the three major parts, but over time
has become entrenched as the way life and government is in Washington, as we know it.

So with this 2.5 time increase in spending, I was expecting to see organization charts that are like those accrodian X-Mas cards or birth day cards you get. The ones that pop out at you when opened.
Not so.

I was surprised to open the Manual to the Health and Human Service Agency organization chart....and see a near identical chart as to what GWB had. Is so close, I went and found the still shelved GWB manual, and compared the two. Obama's organziation HHS chart was a photo copy. So was DoD, State, Treasury, Commerce, Transportation, Energy.....they were all copies of the earlier organizational charts that had been made for GWB government.

This were hope and change, a new way of doing business in Washington, fixing a broken Washington, and my favorite..bringing Washington under control were to happen. Assuming the Obama campaign promises had any value or worth.

Yet we have GWB gov't...at least in its organizational charts....are exactly the same in Obama Federal Government Manual.

So how can the same size agencies and managed agencies handle a 2.5 time increase in funding? Do all this regulating of banks and other American financial institution? Do a vastly expanded health
care system for all 304m million Americans?

They cannot.

It is that simple. GWB was running a pretty tight ship. His staffing level for a Federal Government was pretty bare bones.
Only DoD that was running two wars got major increases in executive staffing during the GWB years.

So now Obama wants us to believe that his big government and 2.5 spending can be done in a fiscal responsible way by a the same gov't? When he promised hope and change to government? No way, hose'. It is as simple as that.

Either one of two things is going on. Either Obama has hidden government within the existing government. One that is not transperant and one that is not in these public organizational charts. But expand the Federal government to handle the 2.5 time increase in spending.

OR

Obama (and his Chicago political machine) is siffoning off billions from the Federal Government agency budgets, because the agency and accounting agencies are so understaffed and overloaded, they cannot account it.

Maybe both of them combined.

Hidden governments are not unknown. Nor is government corruption that take billions of tax payers dollars into pockets of leaders and the inside group. If one compares the two most recent Federal Government Manuals.......one gets a idea that this is what is happening today in America.


I will give you a fair chance, Dude? When GWB and his kind of Gov't were the part of the work of the darkness.....and Obama was going to the change gov't for the better.....how do you explain the identical organizational charts of the two governments?
Jun 4, 2010 8:59 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
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Jun 4, 2010 2:41 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
With only 41,000 jobs created in May (April had been 410,000), the unemployment rate is expected to just under 10%. Stocks fell with
the news and economist around the country are scratching their heads....wondering why the TARPII is turning into the DRIPII.

Surely those Chicago University Business School economists had all the answers for a turn around. if given billions to play with. They got the billions, the American people got the unemployment. In Chicago political machine thinking that is how things work. We get the money, you get axe. You, to get the money, you need to part of our coffee clutch group within the Chicago political machine.

Outsiders are seldom asked in. If this reminds one of other past Chicago organizations and their historical makeup.....well is the Chicago model for most everything done.

When added to a healthy case of quid pro qou..... it means to us outsiders... that a political machine is a coming to a capitol city near us in the near future. With faceless name men that do the White House bidding over any and all. Tell President Clinton no to a pro quid deal on a second term elections, and Bill Ayers or like will send you a package in the mail.

How ruthless this machine will be is anyones guess. But with union friends, black panther friends, CIA friends, FBI friends, Russian friends, Red Chinese Friends, Islamic friends, Border crossing friends, and all of the US Military and their expertise as friends....this is one political machine with a lot of potential for harm. I wonder why President Clinton would break quid pro qou law, he knows only to well. I think that now, I know why.

The people wanted Obama and they got him. In doing so, they also got all his friends.

But it is not like we did not tell them............
Jun 5, 2010 8:46 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
So Dude tell us who do you think would have been better at solving the BP oil crisis? Obama or McCain?

Obama the community organizer and limited time Senator. Or McCain
with a 30 year Naval Aviation career and 20 in the Senate?

One of the reasons that Obama has left this in the hands of BP,
is he simply does not have any experience or a knowledge base to draw on to solve the problem. McCain knows more about vessels, aircraft, submersible, underwater vehicle in his little pickie finger than Obama knows in his entire body.

And all of those today are being used in the Control effort on the
Gulf.

McCain would in these getting innovative ideas to solve this crisis,
not just from the present active military and coast guard......but from 2 generation of military naval that have served with him and his father.

Obama brought Cameron.....producer of the movie Avatar into the solution mix.

Let me weight that out for you

Avatar Movie
Producer
===============







................................^







................................................. 2 Generation
.......................................................of
.................................................Navy Expertise
.................................................==============

It is a good movie, but does not come close to what expertise McCain could have brought to this crisis.

To be honest you Dude. Likely those military men are giving their expertise to this crisis. They love their country and do see this as a battle between nature and man. One with a very limit amount of time, before man loses.

But there is the difference between going thru formal channels on your idea and picking up the phone and calling the President with it. Right now, we are going thru formal channels with Obama in
office. Political correctness and all that.

I also know Obama tells us...'I have some of the worlds fore most authorities working for problem for solutions'. Would it be to much to ask for a list of those world's fore most authorities from him? Mr. Transperancy has gotten very secretive to whom is working this.

But I also think that is the other difference here. We see this as a battle. American lives and business are being destroyed. I know BP will pay for everything and tomorrow will be just as good as yesterday.....except the shell fish and fish populations in the region will much smaller than yesterday. There will not be as many water foul flying.

For 46 days, Obama did not treat this like a battle. He was kind enough to let BP control the responses. It was not a fight of survival to him. BP has all the money in the world, even today
Obama is more concerned about the size of the BP dividend payments than he is about that battle of survival.

The reason he was 'non involved'...his past experience and knowledge base....he had to trust the experts of BP and those that he could find. McCain was not in that situation on this. McCain
might have said....gee we have 5 Countries with Navy ability to go to 5000 feet down with their UVA in world. My contacts with them is so good from past Navy experiences.....I will make a telephone call see if I can get one to visit our Gulf coast for a time.
Jun 5, 2010 2:09 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
HealthyLiving: It's good that you don't live in the U.S. dude!
We obviously don't see the good that you see in Omama and the harm he is doing to the Obamination!

I love you as a person but you have been stuck by the Obama bug or some critter than prevents you from seeing clearly what is really happening.

So sad...

HL


Love you too Healthy but still I am sorry you are stucked deeply in "Obama is bad no matter what" thing created by the res tof the sad and mad remanining of the Bushney,s empire and can not possibly seeing any thing positive in Obama administration and the huge challenge they had to take care of since day one and crediting the preisdent when credit is actually more than just!

Well... if living in America I would for sure beleiveing the same becuase I am like able to see the positive and am very happy a totaly differnet politician with no powerful family or rich back round took over and gave hope for a much more peaceful world after all... and beside why living in America? Here stuff are much more smooth and life is easier because we pay our taxes with pride so all people can benefir some how and are not Nagging day and night because of a few more dollers in pocket or not you see?

yeah... repube heads have created so sad bunch of folks who can never be able to feel being totaly equal to others and keep beleiving they are better than others because of being right winged some thing sad flower
Jun 5, 2010 2:19 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: So let me explain quid pro qou to you, Dude. Explain why it is criminal act in this political context.

See the primaries are the way the people of a state select the best canidate for them to represent them in Washington. So the idea is you can many qualtified person from any of the parties running. Then the people pick the one that is best suit ed to them.

Democracy at work.

Only when the White House uses job offers to pulls canidates from primary races....it screws the concept all up. Then the canidate is not being selected by the people of the state....rather he/she is
being selected by the White House. He/She then is not holden to the people of the state for the position, but rather the White House.

What Obama ..or should I say his aids.....that say he does not have anything to do with this....even though former Pres. Clinton is involved....if you think that only aid level would get Clinton involved in quid pro qou offers....then I got land east of KSC to talk about to you. But each time they do one of these quid pro qou deals....a political machine is made in Washington. A Obama Machine....just like Chicago.

Obama is breaching the entire concept democracy with these quid pro quo deals. They are illegal and they should get him a censure or even a special prosecutor for impeachment charges.

Please note Dude.....not longer do I use 'President' in front of Obama name. He lost the title with this. Quid pro qou have long been known to be the one major 'no no' in Washington. Neither Clinton or GWB got caught in any quid pro qou deals. Obama has them coming out of the White House attic.

With the political advisors Obama has around him, I find it impossible, that they did no understand the law. That does not matter....'ignorance of the law is not a defense'.

Now they are doing a tap dance..saying others wanted to do it in the past....and.....it is the way to keep a party straight. They are right on the last part. It mean the entire DEM party could be
the craft work of the White House. And not the people of the country.

Sound a bit like socialism to you? Were the leader(s) chooses the party lower members for loyality and rewards them for service done? Sound a lot like it to me. Hence the lose of his title of President. He is just Obama to me from here on out.


You do not need to point it out no more TT... I know and have known since day one Obama won the presidnecy that you and ur guys will not accept him being the president of the country and talking Democracy is actully interesting because your guys do not even beleive in democracy and wanting military guys taking over and rulling by the power of guns and not a damn thing else sigh

Lousy Lousy loosers and the same will be the case for ever and ever and where ever right winged and ultra right winged trying to express them selves and loosing it! conversing
Jun 5, 2010 2:25 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: So Dude tell us who do you think would have been better at solving the BP oil crisis? Obama or McCain?

Obama the community organizer and limited time Senator. Or McCain
with a 30 year Naval Aviation career and 20 in the Senate?

One of the reasons that Obama has left this in the hands of BP,
is he simply does not have any experience or a knowledge base to draw on to solve the problem. McCain knows more about vessels, aircraft, submersible, underwater vehicle in his little pickie finger than Obama knows in his entire body.

And all of those today are being used in the Control effort on the
Gulf.

McCain would in these getting innovative ideas to solve this crisis,
not just from the present active military and coast guard......but from 2 generation of military naval that have served with him and his father.

Obama brought Cameron.....producer of the movie Avatar into the solution mix.

Let me weight that out for you

Avatar Movie
Producer
===============

................................^

................................................. 2 Generation
.......................................................of
.................................................Navy Expertise
.................................................==============

It is a good movie, but does not come close to what expertise McCain could have brought to this crisis.

To be honest you Dude. Likely those military men are giving their expertise to this crisis. They love their country and do see this as a battle between nature and man. One with a very limit amount of time, before man loses.

But there is the difference between going thru formal channels on your idea and picking up the phone and calling the President with it. Right now, we are going thru formal channels with Obama in
office. Political correctness and all that.

I also know Obama tells us...'I have some of the worlds fore most authorities working for problem for solutions'. Would it be to much to ask for a list of those world's fore most authorities from him? Mr. Transperancy has gotten very secretive to whom is working this.

But I also think that is the other difference here. We see this as a battle. American lives and business are being destroyed. I know BP will pay for everything and tomorrow will be just as good as yesterday.....except the shell fish and fish populations in the region will much smaller than yesterday. There will not be as many water foul flying.

For 46 days, Obama did not treat this like a battle. He was kind enough to let BP control the responses. It was not a fight of survival to him. BP has all the money in the world, even today
Obama is more concerned about the size of the BP dividend payments than he is about that battle of survival.

The reason he was 'non involved'...his past experience and knowledge base....he had to trust the experts of BP and those that he could find. McCain was not in that situation on this. McCain
might have said....gee we have 5 Countries with Navy ability to go to 5000 feet down with their UVA in world. My contacts with them is so good from past Navy experiences.....I will make a telephone call see if I can get one to visit our Gulf coast for a time.
Well...

McCain would throguh a nuke on this leak to see if that works or not and by the same time he would make sure that precious BP does not pay much and then he would give subcidies for cheaper oil for a time so americans would forget any thing regarding this catastrophe and would blame Iran or Iraq or Hackle berry finn for this until the whole thing was far and a way I am sure.
Jun 5, 2010 2:27 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: You do not need to point it out no more TT... I know and have known since day one Obama won the presidnecy that you and ur guys will not accept him being the president of the country and talking Democracy is actully interesting because your guys do not even beleive in democracy and wanting military guys taking over and rulling by the power of guns and not a damn thing else

Lousy Lousy loosers and the same will be the case for ever and ever and where ever right winged and ultra right winged trying to express them selves and loosing it!


I don't mind loosing. Just want a Gov't that was run by the laws in the land. Obivously this one has trouble in doing so.
Jun 5, 2010 2:35 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Well...

McCain would throguh a nuke on this leak to see if that works or not and by the same time he would make sure that precious BP does not pay much and then he would give subcidies for cheaper oil for a time so americans would forget any thing regarding this catastrophe and would blame Iran or Iraq or Hackle berry finn for this until the whole thing was far and a way I am sure.


The nuc idea came from Obama's friendly Russians. Maybe Obama was listening to them. Sure go ahead nuc a oil well to stop the flow....in the mean time radiate your prime fishing area for 40 years. Create a bigger ecological disaster than the one you have going.

That how low Medvedev and Putin opinion of Obama after the START signing is. They honestly think that he is nutty enough to nuc oil well. They would not offer such a nutty advise to McCain. He would have called them on it, point blank.

Obama took it and never said a word about it. Like it was a real option....just to keep international detente with them.
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