Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents! (798)

May 2, 2010 4:33 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Proudamerican100: If you are receiving correct information then you should know it was not Bush that started the decline in Americas economy? It is hard to tell someone something when they are not standing in your shoes. Even the healthcare plan you were so enthusastic about has turned out to be a great big flop. Obama is on the TV telling jokes like he thinks he is a comedian. We do not need a comedian we need a president. No I am serious. Really telling jokes. Not so funny ones either Actually the downfall of the economy has been going on my whole entire life. My health insurance changed, and doubled in price now. I am lucky no children and stuff so yea I can pay it. But their are so many that can not even afford the mandated insurance. They needed to figure out how they were going to fix that before they mandated it. Make to much for state aid but yet they do not make enough for regular insurance. They are falling thru the cracks. So all it was was a lot of hot air. A lot of promises. I have never seen the public so down trodden as they are now. I know when I am in other countries their papers and news only reflects what I guess they want the people to know. Why don't you write an Obama book maybe you could help give him some ideas since you say you care so much for the north american people.

No he can't


It was not Bush? Really? Who was it then? Recession began in december 2007 in America... did you stay in America back then? Helaht care plan of your is more expensive now? Are you saure it is because of the healht care reforms even they are new and it still takes time before people can feel the benefits because of those? Have you never noticed a huge raise in the price of american health insurence plans and did you not hear that it raised like a 32 procent from 2006 till 2008 for example? why is this Obama,s problem you think? His reforms became rality exactly because these rises in the amount of money americans have to pay to be able to get a propper coverage are too difficult to handle for regular americans you see? Because the poor and the unemployed cant aford those and because tousands of americans are Killed each and every year because the stupid and greedy american helth insurence companies denying them coverage! Obama tries exactly to out challenge that stupid leadeership of the same helth car ecompany you are insured a,t and making him back off and not ruining your life because of the cost!

I am happy you got a good life gnerally any way and a kjob abd so on and I sure hope you will be able to feel more positive some day soon. Buah and Co got you in this stincly mess and it still takes time before this hard period is over proudamerican... give it time and keep your eyes and ears open and not only for Fox news and stuff but listen any where and you will see that things are still not perfect but certainly on the right track.

The first real recession in America created by Geroge W Bush and his evil and mean regim since the 30,s and even the first recession was created by repube heads... the buzo him self admitted this a year after in december 2008 and admitted that they had hidden this fact from american publicfor a whole year at least... did you not see that ?doh

I told people in here a bout this recession even back then in my earlier threads but most people did not beleive me any way dunno
May 2, 2010 4:53 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Proudamerican100
Proudamerican100Proudamerican100Somewhere, California USA2 Threads 1 Polls 570 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: It was not Bush? Really? Who was it then? Recession began in december 2007 in America... did you stay in America back then? Helaht care plan of your is more expensive now? Are you saure it is because of the healht care reforms even they are new and it still takes time before people can feel the benefits because of those? Have you never noticed a huge raise in the price of american health insurence plans and did you not hear that it raised like a 32 procent from 2006 till 2008 for example? why is this Obama,s problem you think? His reforms became rality exactly because these rises in the amount of money americans have to pay to be able to get a propper coverage are too difficult to handle for regular americans you see? Because the poor and the unemployed cant aford those and because tousands of americans are Killed each and every year because the stupid and greedy american helth insurence companies denying them coverage! Obama tries exactly to out challenge that stupid leadeership of the same helth car ecompany you are insured a,t and making him back off and not ruining your life because of the cost!

I am happy you got a good life gnerally any way and a kjob abd so on and I sure hope you will be able to feel more positive some day soon. Buah and Co got you in this stincly mess and it still takes time before this hard period is over proudamerican... give it time and keep your eyes and ears open and not only for Fox news and stuff but listen any where and you will see that things are still not perfect but certainly on the right track.

The first real recession in America created by Geroge W Bush and his evil and mean regim since the 30,s and even the first recession was created by repube heads... the buzo him self admitted this a year after in december 2008 and admitted that they had hidden this fact from american publicfor a whole year at least... did you not see that ?

I told people in here a bout this recession even back then in my earlier threads but most people did not beleive me any way



Are you tired again or have you switched dudes on me?
dunno Actually the decline of the financial economy was created by a lot of people. Not just one. And started with people taking these loans that they knew better than to take. Like an arm mortgage for a house that is why so many started to lose their homes and the prices of their homes turned upside down. I myself even as young as I was choose a fixed mortgage. Know it would be better in the long run. An arm mortgage is like playing russian roulette. anyhow the credit card company's started to send out all these great deals (so people thought) and instead of waiting till they could afford things it was so easy to charge it. I don't think any one president held a gun to these peoples head and made them do this. But I do think the economy collapsed from bad choices. People will be human. They make bad choices sometimes. I mean after all look who our president is. So because of this it was like living in a house built by a deck of cards over here. Yes, my insurance goes up maybe two dollars a year. This is the first time ever it doubled. Big corporations are thinking about what is to come and are trying to stave it off. Just where you will know I am democratic. So I am not a republican. So how many of us out there do you think there is unhappy? Just me? I think not. My place of employment is not the only one to do this about insurance, I have heard of quite a few. Ok I am outta here going for dinner. Take care dude and get some rest.

No he can'tuh oh
May 2, 2010 4:55 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: It was not Bush? Really? Who was it then? Recession began in december 2007 in America... did you stay in America back then? Helaht care plan of your is more expensive now? Are you saure it is because of the healht care reforms even they are new and it still takes time before people can feel the benefits because of those? Have you never noticed a huge raise in the price of american health insurence plans and did you not hear that it raised like a 32 procent from 2006 till 2008 for example? why is this Obama,s problem you think? His reforms became rality exactly because these rises in the amount of money americans have to pay to be able to get a propper coverage are too difficult to handle for regular americans you see? Because the poor and the unemployed cant aford those and because tousands of americans are Killed each and every year because the stupid and greedy american helth insurence companies denying them coverage! Obama tries exactly to out challenge that stupid leadeership of the same helth car ecompany you are insured a,t and making him back off and not ruining your life because of the cost!

I am happy you got a good life gnerally any way and a kjob abd so on and I sure hope you will be able to feel more positive some day soon. Buah and Co got you in this stincly mess and it still takes time before this hard period is over proudamerican... give it time and keep your eyes and ears open and not only for Fox news and stuff but listen any where and you will see that things are still not perfect but certainly on the right track.

The first real recession in America created by Geroge W Bush and his evil and mean regim since the 30,s and even the first recession was created by repube heads... the buzo him self admitted this a year after in december 2008 and admitted that they had hidden this fact from american publicfor a whole year at least... did you not see that ?

I told people in here a bout this recession even back then in my earlier threads but most people did not beleive me any way


I think that GWB and the REP should have run the 2007-8 gov't the way the Obama and the DEM have run the 2008-9 gov't. According to Dude here, they did exactly that.

confused But I never remembered a congress that was doing back door deals like this was in 2007-8. Or not reading legislation that was going to be voted on. Or given only 72 hours to reviewed 2300 pages of legislation that changed the countries economy.

But all these and more this DEM Congress majority has been able to do in 2008-9. Had the REP done that, the country would have been protesting in the streets and painting swatsikas on gov't buildings. Going after police officers with ak-47s. Encouraging violence in the main streets of the country with vehicle bombs.

No, had GWB and the REP done that in 2007-8, this country would have been radically changed. Most would consider it for the worse.
Strange that this administration is happy as a clams with gov't officials seeking national guard units to patrol major cities.

But I don't remember of any of that happening in GWB final two years of office. No GWB did what President normal try to do. Cross the aisle way to engage the political opposition. The public understands that, and approves the attempt to resolve difficult ideological differences. I wonder what has changed???
May 2, 2010 6:41 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Pres. As a head of state is also their head diplomat. He has diplomatic immunity. But he has to go thru regular channels to get VISA and permission to enter a foreign country.

Maybe he wants to have a lunch with President Obama under President Bush's watchful eyes of his pic. So when they both look
up to see GWB looking down on them both get a case of bad indigestion. Pres. A feels he can lift the sanction by getting
on Pres. Obama good side.....by offering him some Tums.


President A will not be invited to any lunch with president Obama on this trip ... count on this one TT.

I am not so happy a bout these so called diplomatic immunity thing and beleive these rules stops a lot fabulous opportunities to arrest some real criminals and justice should be done toward any body even the so called heads of nations. mumbling

But ok... who am I any way to change these rules? If some body askedme... I would think like... oak give real power to the international tribune of justice in Haag ... and who ever this tribune finds guilty should be arrested no matter where in the world this person travels to. I know many Bushney heads for example would be arrested too if that kind of real power was given to the international tribune of justice... and I would say ... HIGH 5 grin
May 2, 2010 6:44 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Dude, they are processing the NYC car for evidence.

What if they find the car was a stolen SUV from AZ? They find badly forged ID with finger prints from unknown parties in it? And a Rosetta Stone tape in the CD....how to speak "English"...in it?

I think the AZ can rest their case for the need for immigration laws.
May 2, 2010 6:57 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: President A will not be invited to any lunch with president Obama on this trip ... count on this one TT.

I am not so happy a bout these so called diplomatic immunity thing and beleive these rules stops a lot fabulous opportunities to arrest some real criminals and justice should be done toward any body even the so called heads of nations.

But ok... who am I any way to change these rules? If some body askedme... I would think like... oak give real power to the international tribune of justice in Haag ... and who ever this tribune finds guilty should be arrested no matter where in the world this person travels to. I know many Bushney heads for example would be arrested too if that kind of real power was given to the international tribune of justice... and I would say ... HIGH 5


Oh really???

I might....try my hand a campaign quote of then canidate Obama.
"I would open a dialogue with Iran to pursue issues of common
interest and to discuss the nuclear issue."

Pres A and Iran is undermining the UN G5+1 sanctions and coalition foundation, by asking to come here. All the rest of the G5+1 and
middle eastern US partners will think that Pres. A is here to cut a deal with the US and the US alone. You don't even realize it.
If you don't think that they will, be assured Israel will think that.

By the time Pres A goes home to a hero welcome at the Mosque of the 12 Domes....and tells them he saw heavenly lights as he spoke with a knelling and prostrate President Obama in a dream....and he knew that Iran had succeeded in a defeating another World Super Power. I would say this might be a costly stop for middle east peace train.
May 2, 2010 7:14 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Dude, they are processing the NYC car for evidence.

What if they find the car was a stolen SUV from AZ? They find badly forged ID with finger prints from unknown parties in it? And a Rosetta Stone tape in the CD....how to speak "English"...in it?

I think the AZ can rest their case for the need for immigration laws.


We are all waiting impatiently to know more a bout this SUV and where it came form and by whom this evil plan was made and waiting for arrestations.

I am really happy this plan failed... yay

But so angry of those who wanted to harm human beings in New york city very mad
May 2, 2010 7:23 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Oh really???

I might....try my hand a campaign quote of then canidate Obama.
"I would open a dialogue with Iran to pursue issues of common
interest and to discuss the nuclear issue."

Pres A and Iran is undermining the UN G5+1 sanctions and coalition foundation, by asking to come here. All the rest of the G5+1 and
middle eastern US partners will think that Pres. A is here to cut a deal with the US and the US alone. You don't even realize it.
If you don't think that they will, be assured Israel will think that.

By the time Pres A goes home to a hero welcome at the Mosque of the 12 Domes....and tells them he saw heavenly lights as he spoke with a knelling and prostrate President Obama in a dream....and he knew that Iran had succeeded in a defeating another World Super Power. I would say this might be a costly stop for middle east peace train.


When Obama announced dialogue with Iran it was because he wanted to begin a new begining and show that America is ready to solve problems amoung the two nations but still given so many chances to the regim in Iran ... mullahs have lost all options and the only way their regim is walking toward is the way toward end. teh so caleld presidnet of Iran is just Zero and have not a lot to say in this any way and that grand ayatollah some thing in Iran decides the whole scenarion and preisdnet A is sent to US to make another anti Israel speech and making the ever stupid points of the regim he presents. Dont take him too seriously TT... he is nothing than a common criminal who should get behind bars and enjoying american prison food and hopefully middle done Louisiana pork chops for break fast and lunch and dinner seven days a week only... to feel real american hospitality laugh
May 2, 2010 7:45 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Dude ever think that it was borrowers taking advantage of the loose lending laws that took advantage of the banks?

If people were meeting their legal obligation on the mortgage that they entered into....then banks would not have billions in defaulted loans and 1000s of foreclosed properties.

ACORN and other community organizations had gotten into banking business to the point were low interest and high risky loan were being made? Know who began them?

Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae. In Clinton Administration. The same Franklin Raines the patented the Carbon Board for trading emissions derivatives. Raine has two trips to Fannie. The first ended with the GAO trying to figure out were 9b went and Congressional hearing. Raine was part of the Fannie Mea over sight committee then.

But in 1999 he made head of Fannie. He is there until 2004. In 2003
he patents the carbon board. He handed off Fannie to a Mr. Mudd that expanded the low interest/high risk lending programs. And we got the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 from it.

Dude, we have already been down the yellow brick path of wealth redistribution. Low interest loans and high risk loans is wealth
redistribution.

Wealth redistribution is the main cause of the economic collapse of 2008. Except in Washington DC of today, no one has the courage to say it out loud or to the President of the United States. It would stagger him to his economic core to learn this.

Raines in 2003 just happens to pick Chicago to be the home of CCX.
There are 40 major cities in the US with New York being the fincancial capitol. Chicago is home the countries commodity markets. Board trading. So he goes to Chicago. There....he needs investors....on comes one...Joyce Foundation and $1.1m in start up funds.

Also in Europe. Al Gore gets into the game. Raines has the patent for the board.....still checking here but I suspect all 5 climax exchanges around the world use Raines board. And the Chicago Climax business model. Why do I say that? The member at Chicago can trade at the other markets. Just like the stock market can.
Some standardization is needed to that. Raines board and CCX business plan does that.

You can have all the banking reg. in the world. But if people are not paying their mortgages, you going to have liquidity crisis in the banking industry. It is that simple. I guess the economic concept is to difficult to grasp. For when Dodd did his comprehensive investigation of the 2008 economic crisis....the only defaulting party was the banks.
May 2, 2010 7:56 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: When Obama announced dialogue with Iran it was because he wanted to begin a new begining and show that America is ready to solve problems amoung the two nations but still given so many chances to the regim in Iran ... mullahs have lost all options and the only way their regim is walking toward is the way toward end. teh so caleld presidnet of Iran is just Zero and have not a lot to say in this any way and that grand ayatollah some thing in Iran decides the whole scenarion and preisdnet A is sent to US to make another anti Israel speech and making the ever stupid points of the regim he presents. Dont take him too seriously TT... he is nothing than a common criminal who should get behind bars and enjoying american prison food and hopefully middle done Louisiana pork chops for break fast and lunch and dinner seven days a week only... to feel real american hospitality


Well that Pres. A wants to undermine the G5+1 is not lost on President O....that is why the delay on the VISA. Pres. O knows if let into the country, speculation diplomacy is going to do just that. Iran's Pres.A and the Revolutionary Guard...new multi billion communication net work, remember?

I wonder what they planned to use it for. I think we know now.

I don't take small baby rattlers to seriously either. But you know what? The venom of a baby rattler is more potent than the adult.
Pres. A heads a country of 66m and the Supreme Leader of Iran heads a religious sect of 300m. There are some baby rattlers in both that grew into adults.
May 2, 2010 8:52 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
ttom500: Dude ever think that it was borrowers taking advantage of the loose lending laws that took advantage of the banks?

If people were meeting their legal obligation on the mortgage that they entered into....then banks would not have billions in defaulted loans and 1000s of foreclosed properties.

ACORN and other community organizations had gotten into banking business to the point were low interest and high risky loan were being made? Know who began them?

Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae. In Clinton Administration. The same Franklin Raines the patented the Carbon Board for trading emissions derivatives. Raine has two trips to Fannie. The first ended with the GAO trying to figure out were 9b went and Congressional hearing. Raine was part of the Fannie Mea over sight committee then.

But in 1999 he made head of Fannie. He is there until 2004. In 2003
he patents the carbon board. He handed off Fannie to a Mr. Mudd that expanded the low interest/high risk lending programs. And we got the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 from it.

Dude, we have already been down the yellow brick path of wealth redistribution. Low interest loans and high risk loans is wealth
redistribution.

Wealth redistribution is the main cause of the economic collapse of 2008. Except in Washington DC of today, no one has the courage to say it out loud or to the President of the United States. It would stagger him to his economic core to learn this.

Raines in 2003 just happens to pick Chicago to be the home of CCX.
There are 40 major cities in the US with New York being the fincancial capitol. Chicago is home the countries commodity markets. Board trading. So he goes to Chicago. There....he needs investors....on comes one...Joyce Foundation and $1.1m in start up funds.

Also in Europe. Al Gore gets into the game. Raines has the patent for the board.....still checking here but I suspect all 5 climax exchanges around the world use Raines board. And the Chicago Climax business model. Why do I say that? The member at Chicago can trade at the other markets. Just like the stock market can.
Some standardization is needed to that. Raines board and CCX business plan does that.

You can have all the banking reg. in the world. But if people are not paying their mortgages, you going to have liquidity crisis in the banking industry. It is that simple. I guess the economic concept is to difficult to grasp. For when Dodd did his comprehensive investigation of the 2008 economic crisis....the only defaulting party was the banks.



Wow you understood his response to proud? You've been here to long with him
laugh I also threads ago went over the same thing with him. He's like an old stuck 45 record. It illudes him that people are responsiable for their own behavior. dunno
May 2, 2010 9:42 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Happygolucky4u: Wow you understood his response to proud? You've been here to long with him
I also threads ago went over the same thing with him. He's like an old stuck 45 record. It illudes him that people are responsiable for their own behavior.


Not moslty Happy.

People are responsible for their own behaviour but still the government is there and have to take care of it,s job as well and making sure that crooks and liers are not able to milk the country and creating an itnernational economical meltdown you see?

Freedom is not a bout giving it free doing what ever and then making fun of those who are cheated and by that I mena real repube head methode they use when ever they get on charge in America... a government elected by people should do what ever it can to make sure that things are done properly as possible.

Long time no bahsing by the way hihi... get in here when you wish and bash more wine
May 2, 2010 9:53 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Well that Pres. A wants to undermine the G5+1 is not lost on President O....that is why the delay on the VISA. Pres. O knows if let into the country, speculation diplomacy is going to do just that. Iran's Pres.A and the Revolutionary Guard...new multi billion communication net work, remember?

I wonder what they planned to use it for. I think we know now.

I don't take small baby rattlers to seriously either. But you know what? The venom of a baby rattler is more potent than the adult.
Pres. A heads a country of 66m and the Supreme Leader of Iran heads a religious sect of 300m. There are some baby rattlers in both that grew into adults.


Well... I beleive there areaorund 80 millions living in Iran to day and the so called supreme leader is mainly the leader in Iran and listened to by around a twenty million of those max and besdie these Hamas and Hizbollah things in Libanon and Syria and all based on economical benefits only and stuff... not much of a big leadership of muslims some thing any way just a Buzo whose power is based on paper castles and can be blowed a way after a time with real and hard sanctions against the regim begins... some few millions seeing upon this ayatollah in Iraq as well but still they got their own ayatollah Sistani and respecting him much more and now when corrputed Bushney,s poppet Maliki is going to be over and with Alavi on power in Iraq those few million iraqies will get over their interest for the iranian ayatollah as well.

Iranian regim have never been weaker than it is to day and the whole thing can all of a sudden collapse with no doubt in my mind... and president Obama does not like this evil regim to keep existing I asure you... I know Obama is real good to make things done in a propper way and that,s why this too long standing iranian teater is going to end soon and I am certain during his first turm on power in America as told before.
May 2, 2010 9:57 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Not moslty Happy.

People are responsible for their own behaviour but still the government is there and have to take care of it,s job as well and making sure that crooks and liers are not able to milk the country and creating an itnernational economical meltdown you see?

Freedom is not a bout giving it free doing what ever and then making fun of those who are cheated and by that I mena real repube head methode they use when ever they get on charge in America... a government elected by people should do what ever it can to make sure that things are done properly as possible.

Long time no bahsing by the way hihi... get in here when you wish and bash more


wave No bash. Just wondering how long you are going to take to wake up and see the truth. Those people were not cheated. Not the ones making the bad choices you talked about. It is not rocket science you do not spend more than you have. Now on another note. blues They are showing the poor little birds, turtles, and stuff all covered in oil. Those poor unsuspecting little things. Your president says it was bp's fault so they will pay. But how can you give a poor little soaked in oil bird or turtle money and expect them to understandblues Going to bed it is eleven pm here. Take care. handshake tongue
May 3, 2010 5:52 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
thumbs up Oh yeah. BP is paying I just left the gas pumps after filling up my carvery mad
May 3, 2010 5:58 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
davpk10
davpk10davpk10somewhere, New York USA23 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
I sorta like Grant.....he seemed very down to earth....liked to have a drink or two(well so the story goes)was a great general...and he actually liked and respected his counter part Lee....professor altho I could be wrong ...I have been once or twice in the past...
May 3, 2010 6:26 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Just saw a DvD on Lincoln last days. He had a meeting with Grant and Sherman prior to the fall of Richmond. They could see the handwritting on the wall that the war was going well and likely to be won.

They asked Lincoln how he wanted the south treated. He said "Let them up easily.'"

Meaning he did not want any harsh treatment to the south.

So several weeks later, Grant is meeting Lee to discuss surrender terms. Grant gave Lee the very best terms he could. And ordered his commanders that were taking the Southern weapons, to give all 'due military respect' in the process.

Grant later resolved a issue were some in the Union wanted Lee arrested for treason to the Union. He quashed by saying he would give up his commission if it was done.

The victor in warfare has a moral obligation to defend the defeated.
So often in history it done just the other way around. The victor spoils the defeated.
May 3, 2010 6:47 AM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
It was a Viet Nam that detected and reported the car bomb in NYC Time Square. He works a kisko there for 13 years. Said that the car parked in a space reserved for buses. So when that happened he would go over and ask them to move.

Detected it smoking.

Also this. Seems the device was similar to alQeada devices used in previous attacks and from designs that alQeada has placed on the net.

Janet N says that these is no evidence that the Pakistani Taliban are responsible for it. That they frequently take responsibility for any and every kind of event.

Meshud had made a video tape earlier saying US city would be target to Pakistani Taliban attacks in the future. They took public responsibility for this attack.

They have one man of video tape that is a subject of interest. A 40 year old white man. Time Square was filled with 1000s at the time of the attack. Was their busiest day of the year so far.

Not 100% sure here Janet.....but that is lot of circumstantial evidence that points to a alQeada planned attack. So am about 75% sure that it was. It might be better to have taken a 'no comment' on the attacker ID.

But I still like the idea that it was Iranian planned to throw Hillary C off her game in the UN. She speaks after Pres. A does on the nuclear issue. So Pres A got his Visa for entry. Maybe to throw Pres A off his game, we can take the SUV and place it front of the UN Podium when he speaks.

See if any sweat breaks out his forehead as he does a US rant.
Let Hillary C. sit on the sideline with a remote control device...playing with the button.I bet Pres. A limits his UN speaking time and the rant that he has prepared then.....we can call the blue SUV..The UN's Environmental Peace and Harmony car. The SUV that does not drink a gallon of gas but helps to reduce the world's noise pollution.
May 3, 2010 5:19 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
The White House today used the word 'terrorism' in regards to the
NYCity Time Square car attack. Said that the attack had several parties involved and a connection to overseas persons.

New York was of course the proposed trial site for SKM. Well seems
that others around the world are intent to effect the outcome of this American trial.

Maybe if the Administration had held off in the announcing of NY City as a possible site, this attack would not have occurred.
Americans would not have been placed at risk.

Telling the opponent in a conflict of your plans, has a certain romantic chilivary to it. I going to do this, and I want you to know just so we don't innocent people hurt. But the other evening in Times Square there were no Knights in Armor with lances and swords, or Romantic Fair Ladies with a color to give to the victor.

Just the most crouded evening of the spring season as 1000s of kids, teens, young adults, families and elderly looking for the diversions of Time Square. The poorly rigged car, had it exploded would not have downed a armored knight but unarmored American civilians.

Of all the 100s of alQeada attack here in the US, Europe, and Middle East. I cannot think of one that the alQeada gave a advanced warning of. alQeada is not acting on any rules of chilivary.

So did the Obama Administration place New Yorkers into risk with the announcement of the SKM trial location? Take your political affiliation out of the answer for moment. There were 1000s of other US locations to place that deadly SUV the other evening, but
NY City and Time Square was chosen. Now your answer?
May 3, 2010 5:32 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Just saw a DvD on Lincoln last days. He had a meeting with Grant and Sherman prior to the fall of Richmond. They could see the handwritting on the wall that the war was going well and likely to be won.

They asked Lincoln how he wanted the south treated. He said "Let them up easily.'"

Meaning he did not want any harsh treatment to the south.

So several weeks later, Grant is meeting Lee to discuss surrender terms. Grant gave Lee the very best terms he could. And ordered his commanders that were taking the Southern weapons, to give all 'due military respect' in the process.

Grant later resolved a issue were some in the Union wanted Lee arrested for treason to the Union. He quashed by saying he would give up his commission if it was done.

The victor in warfare has a moral obligation to defend the defeated.
So often in history it done just the other way around. The victor spoils the defeated.


nice story TT cheers

"The victor in warfare has a moral obligation to defend the defeated."... and some times the best way the victor in "warfare" can defend the rights of those who have helped this victory becoming reality... is to take distance to defeated and ignoring them and keep informing people a bout why the defeated one lost it big time!

simply told like: just do it the exact opposite way of what ever the sad mad remaininngs of the Bushney,s empire want you to and then every thing will be alllllllllllllll right grin
May 3, 2010 5:36 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: It was a Viet Nam that detected and reported the car bomb in NYC Time Square. He works a kisko there for 13 years. Said that the car parked in a space reserved for buses. So when that happened he would go over and ask them to move.

Detected it smoking.

Also this. Seems the device was similar to alQeada devices used in previous attacks and from designs that alQeada has placed on the net.

Janet N says that these is no evidence that the Pakistani Taliban are responsible for it. That they frequently take responsibility for any and every kind of event.

Meshud had made a video tape earlier saying US city would be target to Pakistani Taliban attacks in the future. They took public responsibility for this attack.

They have one man of video tape that is a subject of interest. A 40 year old white man. Time Square was filled with 1000s at the time of the attack. Was their busiest day of the year so far.

Not 100% sure here Janet.....but that is lot of circumstantial evidence that points to a alQeada planned attack. So am about 75% sure that it was. It might be better to have taken a 'no comment' on the attacker ID.

But I still like the idea that it was Iranian planned to throw Hillary C off her game in the UN. She speaks after Pres. A does on the nuclear issue. So Pres A got his Visa for entry. Maybe to throw Pres A off his game, we can take the SUV and place it front of the UN Podium when he speaks.

See if any sweat breaks out his forehead as he does a US rant.
Let Hillary C. sit on the sideline with a remote control device...playing with the button.I bet Pres. A limits his UN speaking time and the rant that he has prepared then.....we can call the blue SUV..The UN's Environmental Peace and Harmony car. The SUV that does not drink a gallon of gas but helps to reduce the world's noise pollution.


People say that presidnent A of Iran is cicumstised... so no "forehead" any way laugh
May 3, 2010 5:48 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: The White House today used the word 'terrorism' in regards to the
NYCity Time Square car attack. Said that the attack had several parties involved and a connection to overseas persons.

New York was of course the proposed trial site for SKM. Well seems
that others around the world are intent to effect the outcome of this American trial.

Maybe if the Administration had held off in the announcing of NY City as a possible site, this attack would not have occurred.
Americans would not have been placed at risk.

Telling the opponent in a conflict of your plans, has a certain romantic chilivary to it. I going to do this, and I want you to know just so we don't innocent people hurt. But the other evening in Times Square there were no Knights in Armor with lances and swords, or Romantic Fair Ladies with a color to give to the victor.

Just the most crouded evening of the spring season as 1000s of kids, teens, young adults, families and elderly looking for the diversions of Time Square. The poorly rigged car, had it exploded would not have downed a armored knight but unarmored American civilians.

Of all the 100s of alQeada attack here in the US, Europe, and Middle East. I cannot think of one that the alQeada gave a advanced warning of. alQeada is not acting on any rules of chilivary.

So did the Obama Administration place New Yorkers into risk with the announcement of the SKM trial location? Take your political affiliation out of the answer for moment. There were 1000s of other US locations to place that deadly SUV the other evening, but
NY City and Time Square was chosen. Now your answer?


Then you mean like we should give a way our principals to terrorists and getting scared of their threatening us all and doing exactly as they tell us to do or what exactly TT?

There are many questions regarding this attempt to terririse americans still and we better wait and see who is responsible before too many conclousions and stuff.

I still beleive there is a fifty-fifty chance for ultra right winged americans can be behind this and this is definately not their first time doing these kinds of tratoreus acts against all humanity! There are too many real lunetics given too much power and care in to days,s America because people are afraid of loosing their savings and jobs and so on and the chance of finding real stincky terrorists amoung these lunetics is bigger than ever before.

I keep listening to news and really want to know who exactly is responsible... what if right winged americans are behind TT? Are you going to leave repube heads then and begining to respect and support the president of your country then and admitting that you have supported the very wrong way ideology and going flower power stuff from now on? grin laugh
May 3, 2010 5:59 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
May 3, 2010 6:08 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
In Somalia, Hizbum Islam, a hardline Sharia group is taking pirate ports along the Somalian cost. They promise to release of the 300
captive mariners and other captives that the pirates have taken. Also their vessesls.

But prior to taking the pirate port of Hardarhard. Pirates were
seen taking taken vessels heading to sea. So a fluid and developing situation is arising in Somalia.

Western pirate experts consider that the pirates will simply move their operation to other post along the coast.

The other unknown question is, what will the US Navy and NATO ships and unit do in the region? Will they begin to engage fleeing pirates
or let them pass to safe havens? Here the answer has to come from the world capitols and world leaders.

The pirates seem disorganized and not seeking a conflict with Hizbum Islam. So now a time of opportunity seems possible. Yet 300 person of many nations are being held. Coordinating and get approval for
mil operation that place their citizens at risk, a difficult and time taking thing.

And then....take Somalia itself.....Hizbum Islam sounds much like the Taliban of Afghanistan. Letting them control the country, might be making another hide for alQeada, al-Awali and bin Laden.
May 3, 2010 6:21 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Then you mean like we should give a way our principals to terrorists and getting scared of their threatening us all and doing exactly as they tell us to do or what exactly TT?

There are many questions regarding this attempt to terririse americans still and we better wait and see who is responsible before too many conclousions and stuff.

I still beleive there is a fifty-fifty chance for ultra right winged americans can be behind this and this is definately not their first time doing these kinds of tratoreus acts against all humanity! There are too many real lunetics given too much power and care in to days,s America because people are afraid of loosing their savings and jobs and so on and the chance of finding real stincky terrorists amoung these lunetics is bigger than ever before.

I keep listening to news and really want to know who exactly is responsible... what if right winged americans are behind TT? Are you going to leave repube heads then and begining to respect and support the president of your country then and admitting that you have supported the very wrong way ideology and going flower power stuff from now on?


More reports just came out in evening news....the attack had foreign contacts. No names are being mentioned by homeland security. But if was a hardline rightie operation, no foreign contacts wouls be needed or mentioned.

I think that DC has a news block out on this. All media is getting is leaks and rumors from law enforcement. The White House Terrorism
Task Force has been assigned to the investigation. Not sure Pres. Obama would assign them to internal rightie group attack....rather let the FBI do that. This group was organized and designed to take on Islamic terrorism.

So?

I will bet you a Danish Mark with a US Dollar that is was a Islamic attack.

A recent new update:

The Gov't has just identified the purchaser (3 weeks ago) of the SUV. The purchaser had made phone calls over seas. The sale was made in Connicut. A person of interest is naturalized American citizen that had just returned to the US from time in Pakistan. Most think that they are one in the same.
May 3, 2010 6:48 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: More reports just came out in evening news....the attack had foreign contacts. No names are being mentioned by homeland security. But if was a hardline rightie operation, no foreign contacts wouls be needed or mentioned.

I think that DC has a news block out on this. All media is getting is leaks and rumors from law enforcement. The White House Terrorism
Task Force has been assigned to the investigation. Not sure Pres. Obama would assign them to internal rightie group attack....rather let the FBI do that. This group was organized and designed to take on Islamic terrorism.

So?

I will bet you a Danish Mark with a US Dollar that is was a Islamic attack.

A recent new update:

The Gov't has just identified the purchaser (3 weeks ago) of the SUV. The purchaser had made phone calls over seas. The sale was made in Connicut. A person of interest is naturalized American citizen that had just returned to the US from time in Pakistan. Most think that they are one in the same.


Ty TT! Keep informing hearing any news regarding this please! I will do the same thumbs up
May 3, 2010 8:06 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hey Dude next time you go to Cuba for a vacations.....be sure to take to your health insurance card along.

Castro wants all visitors to bring health insurance cards with them.
Seem the the Cuban Health system will bill your carrier for any
procedures or operations done.

But just as interesting is this. Health insurance cards are a proof of identity. Has your name, address, and other such info right on them.

So here you have a hispanic Communist country.....most definitely requiring proof of identity from foreign visitors.....but the hispanic community of the North America, many with liberal and left views....find this to be offensive in AZ.

Just call me old fashion or traditional....but I see a certain hyprocrisy here. That on one side of the 60 miles water divide, one government wants your personal health insurance info for what ever purposes. While on the other side of the water divide, it is racial profiling to pull a wallet out of a pair dragging jeans.

Yes is strange that the Cuban government can require proof of identity. Yet here in American showing such proof can get a swazikata painted on a state Capitol.

When we get Obamacards in 2015, we will all meet Castro regulation here. Though.....few American will take the time, trouble or effort
to visit the repressed country that lays 60 miles south of us. I know our backward and ignorant ways. Or our stand for principles and values. Depending on one political leanings.

I have a idea here. That instead of deporting the illegal aliens, that we ship them to Cuba. We provide them with a Obamacard for propper entry. I mean is fair. Castro did provide nearly 100,000 mentally ill and criminals to the US during the Mariel boat lift.
Illegal aliens can fit int eh same status. But heck with Obamacard, the US would still be picking up the tap for them....even in Cuba.
May 3, 2010 8:39 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
I heard Obama was going to run for office in Denmark after he is through trashing the U.S.! Hope you get your dream Dude!cheers
May 3, 2010 8:54 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
RANDY72
RANDY72RANDY72Ceres, California USA383 Posts
IMPEACH obama NOW !!!!
May 3, 2010 8:54 PM CST Obama is going to be rememberd as one of the best american presidents!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
toranoga: I heard Obama was going to run for office in Denmark after he is through trashing the U.S.! Hope you get your dream Dude!


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