Not True - He actually said The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
I've seen these quotes before. I'm not familiar with the accuracy of all but I can say that some are taken out of context. The last one is totally false and I've put the right passage up. People should take a look at them and compare them to the actual book(s) they are quoted from and make up their own minds.
To me Obama is not the person we need and he's as shady as the rest. But fair is fair and I would like to not vote for him for something he actually did, didn't do, said, wrote or was involved with as opposed to voting on inaccurate information.
Still, even if some of the things listed above are true, it does bring more doubt as to his credibility.
The information's all ready been presented to you Dude. You truly epotomize what has become negative in the Obama camp. I can only hope that Obama take advice from someone as wise as you should he get the democratic nomination. Again. Read Dude Read. Maybe, just maybe someone you sees things your way in this thread can pour some wisdom into one of your ears on this matter before you show further ignorance and pigheadedness. Just be sure to put a plug in the other one so it doesn't go all the way through.
Virgil's a nutcase and shows nothing but fear and ignorance.
I would ask myself how people could elect a person like him into office but then I would have to ask that about many of our elected officials and those running in this election. God knows the same has been asked about the last two Presidents along with countless other politicians.
I really think we need to look at and stand behind our candidates. Not necessarily in a show of support but in an effort to keep them from screwing us when our backs are turned.
This is a really good point IMO. In one breath we condemn their human rights record and in the other we condone it by buying their products thus enhancing their human rights violations and poor labor practices. It also serves to strengthen their economy while draining our own.
I would also much rather see many of the goods currently being purchased from China produced in Mexico (along with the US) and Canada). For Mexico, this would more than likely improve their economic power and may stem the tide of illegal immigrants coming north. The only trick would be that Mexico would have to figure out how to do it less corruption and with fair labor practices. It couldn't hurt the US or Canada either.
You're right Ship. I think we make the offer to help but if it's refused we leave it on the table and press on with other things. Us forcing our goodwill on others isn't helping. If they really want it they'll take it or ask if they need more.
Both McCain and Obama were born as US citizens. Both are, have been and more than likely will be US citizens for the rest of their lives. Both are eligible to be President, end of story. How many times must we visit this issue. No law has been chaged to help either. Read Dude Read
It would be nice if these guys would throw their hats into the ring a little earlier in the election process. I'm sure money is a factor but by the time they start it's so late they are completely overshadowed. Barr is as qualified and probably more qualified than any of the other three choices we have at the moment but I don't believe he will make a dent this election. If these guys get some momentum going then perhaps our 2 party system can be improved. I think it's a great time to do just that because I suspect over the next 4 years, regardless of who is elected and regardless of the feel good promises made, things are not going to get any better. We do need more alternatives than the two choices we currently have.
Thanks for the post and the earlier links. I've looked thru about half of the links you provided and don't consider the sources on the negative McCain issues as reliable. However, I did enjoy the interviews with Ron Paul and thought they were very accurate because the words came directly from his mouth and I could interpret the meaning for myself.
I don't think you'll find a lot of information (good or bad) about Ron Paul because he's not in the race any longer and is therefore probably not deemed important enough to go after. I will say this about him, he said what was on his mind and didn't pull any punches. It probably cost him any chance of ever reaching the whitehouse and whther that is good or bad is also a matter of opinion. He kinda reminds me of Ross Perot with the no fluff way he talks.
People can share info all they want. People can even e-mail one another to provide support, encouragement or praise for one persons point of view. Nothing wrong with any of that at all but if those supporters are being described as supportive and perceived as being used to foster ones position(s) then they are a part of the debate or discussion. If nothing else they know what I said and can reply according to their conscience.
I've already replied to Kids' post and have just seen Opal's I understand where she's coming from.
He was actually going to run against Clinton but decided not to. I think that would have been the best time for him. As far as President Bush goes, he was recruited and hired to do a job and I believe he did it to the best of his ability. Some say that he sold out on the Iraq War testimony but based on his history, I don't believe Powell would have testified to anything he didn't believe. Anyway, when he saw he could no longer support the administration he made a decision and opted to not take a 2nd term as SECSTATE if asked. I think he did it as well as anyone could have given the circumstances.
I've read several books by and about Gen Powell. Some go into great detail on the inner working of the 1st 4 years on the Bush Presidency. interesting reading.
I don't know why people do those things unless they are incapable of speaking or carrying on a meaningful discussion for themselves. Perhaps they are worried about what others may think or are afraid to voice their views. Whatever their reason(s) is/are I think it's pretty sad. I think it's clear that both you and I and the relatively few on these threads have people who disagree with our stances. Some may hate us for our views yet somehow we are able to speak thru our own mouths/keyboards.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people who don't speak for themselves really don't count have much credibility
Well Opal, I see you are having difficulty replying to the actual comments I make so I will just reply to yours.
I couldn't care less whether McCain's a war hero or not. To me, he's a guy who served, got shot down, tortured and survived. He even cracked and gave up information or said things he should not have said. I may have done the same and am therefore not going to climb upon a soap box and slam the man for cracking under torture. Nor am I going to go so far as to lable him a war hero. You've never heard that from me have you?
I am not interested in impressing anyone in these forums nor do I really care what anyone thinks about my views. I wasn't laughing in my last post because I was being serious. And who are those others you refer to? You? Dude and I'm sure there are more but I don't see many in this thread supporting your views.
See, I can still laugh when the irony hits me juuuuust right..
Opal, we were discussing McCain not Reagan. I looked at it anyway but could not find what you were referring to. I would agree that none should be left behind. Given my current occupation I would be very foolish not to. Even if I were not a Vet, I would think those POWs deserve our efforts to obtain their release
I said "In short Opal, I don't see anything McCain has done in this particular set of events that you have provided worthy of losing your respect unless ofcourse he never had it in the first place." At the time I didn't see this as questioning your honest. Rather I thought it was a question of you judgement and fairness. I can however understand if you took it as an honesty issue and for that I apologize as I really did not wish to convey that message.
As far as your assessment of the Rep convention goes, I think you'll see and you can see in the past that conventions in general are love fests with much hugging and other theatrics. The Democratic convention will be no different other than the faces present.
I do laugh and joke about Obama and Clinton. I can even laugh at the McCain jokes but as I have said before, I will not sit on my hands while someone posts something that is not true (at least to me) without refuting it. Yes, I have my own bias' but I know I have them and I really, really try to keep them in mind when I research information and/or make comments. Not perfect but I believe I'm pretty fair. I can't honestly say that for others and your latest posts are clear examples of the smear tactics you attribute to the Republicans.
I did not attack you because you said something negative about MCCain, I spoke up because what you posted was incorrect and one sided with dubious sources. Much like the several links you have given to things like the McCain song and the videos about Vietnam Vets slamming on McCains participation in the 91 - 93 hearings and other negative ads. I could post the same type of clips about Obama or Clinton but what's the point in that? It would only bring down the same negative responses on me that you have received today. More importantly, it would be unfair and rather nasty.
The left is really reaching into their bag of dirty tricks with this interview and the childish McCain song. I do hope people take a moment and listen to the reporter viseo to discover how frivilous this assertion realy is. Try again, maybe you'll find something
It's just too bad that everyone doesn't subscribe to you interpretation of what God is. I'm certain the whole world would be much better off if we had you to lead us in the way we practice or don't practice our religeous beliefs or whether one believes or not.
I am really fascinated by the way you can determine who is and who is not "Men of God" McCain, Parsley and Hagee are not yet I suspect you believe Obama and Wright are...
Yes, Michael Moore is brilliant, he never stretches the truth and is really fair and balanced. maybe he should have run for President. He would probably be just as good as the other three we have in the running..
When I say something favorable or negative about a political opponent I am just being fair and am stating what I believe. Whether it's negative or positive, it is based on doing as much research as possible from numerous sources. This is why I can say both negative and positive about these candidates. I would never say anything positive about someone so I could use it as ammo on a later date.
There's an old adage about people and relationships. It states "when someone is suspicious about their mates fidelity, they are in fact the ones who are cheating". I think I can safely say this holds true in political discussion and you are accusing me of infidelity with that cheap shot you took at my integrity and honesty.
Yes Opal, there are smear tactics are used from all sides. And as a student of this vocation you have learned your lesson well.
Well, when I see the videos at links you post and they are totally one sided, politically motivated hoopla, I do see it as comic relief. Clearly, when you posted this you had not yet seen my post about the Patriot Act and the "Investigation" against President Bush.
I did notice that some of the people saying things McCain were Reps. I guess he's not so well supported by that party as some say.
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RE: Father jailed after daughter fails to get diploma
I initially thought this was going to be a joke... All I can say is dammmmmmmm. I can't believe this guy's in jail for this. She's an adult.