BnaturAl Forum Posts (6,811)

RE: time for the working man to offer up ideas on how to handle this bail;out

I can't think of a reason Trace. Power has never ever actually changed hands, since the beginning of time. Oh, governments have been toppled for sure but the elite have always ran and controlled whatever system is in place from fuedalism to capitalism. They have also controlled what government is in place in different countries all over the globe depending on that country's importance to their plan and global domination. The system isn't nearly as important as who runs it, who DICTATES it. The last guy who tried to sever the ties got killed for it, Kennedy.

We've already been marginalized. I wonder if there is any correalation between the fed and being fed up? I watched Bush's announcement on TV last night, the rhetoric was thick and slimey, placating americans into beleiveing that supporting the rich was good for all those ordinary people. If they can prop up wall street, they sure as hell can prop up the common man, but never will.

RE: time for the working man to offer up ideas on how to handle this bail;out

That stimulus check was a psychological red herring they knew what was coming. Toss some scraps at the commoners first so they feel cared for, to justify even larger sums being tossed to the rich.

They just print more money. The interest goes to the world bank lenders. You realize that money has no backing now. Its no longer backed by any value, including gold. America is being brought 'inline' by the world bank and the elite to level with the the rest of the world. Global economy isn't just a buzz word, its an elite agenda.

it always amazes me how citizens are placated psychologically and remain blind to whats really going on. Take gas prices for example. They use psychological warfare there as well. They have been doing it for ages.
They raise fuel costs to a real obnoxious level for a couple weeks, freaking you out, and then lower it back down, but not as low as it was before they raised it. This lessens your freak out, psychologically, you go "phew thats better" but they have effectively gotten the increase they wanted, while you feel "ok" about the new (higher) current price. Freak you out, calm you down, freak you out calm you down, all the while making gains off your backs on the fact that psychologically you feel 'better' about the new price.

you are always going to pay, no matter what 'they do' because 'they' run the system and you paying is how it all works.

RE: time for the working man to offer up ideas on how to handle this bail;out

Unfortuneatly you'll get greed and malfeasance in any system. Democratic capitalism has the best chance for reasonable world peace (trading partners are less likely to go to war in a democracy, more co-operative). The problem with the system as I see it is that the average Joe accepts the declarations of corporate heads, inadvertantly allowing the greed, rather than dispersing profit within the workforce equally or at least in a more balanced way. Human value is now measured by status and or 'job position' rather than equality in contributions. My eight hour day ought to be just as valuable as any other, providing I performed well

I think everyone realizes its abhorrent to be paying sports stars and movie stars and corporate leaders the obnoxioius sums of money they get but no one seems willing to to stop buying what they sell. The labour movement made inroads into the system but has fallen short in my opinion. The greed of elite interests will fight to maintain the large gap between haves and the have nots in any system. I still think a value based economy in democratic capitalism has the best chance.

As for the current problem, I suggest giving that 700 billion back to american citizens! They say the purpose is to get the ecomony moving again, and that would do it. Instead they are propping up corporations that will continue to foster the inequaties of a greed based system, will add more profits to those who already have it and leave average Joes with less. Please help the rich??? Really, .... people!!!!!!!!!

RE: What do you all think of the $700 BillionDollar Plan to Bail Out Wall Street?

Kind of like paying to have a parking meter installed your driveway, paying to park there and feeding the parking authority so they can afford more meters to put in other driveways..

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

the above is not conclusive evidence of an assassination attempt ...

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

the pizza delivery girl!?











nah

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

try not to be redundantly re-informed Yoda

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

oops almost forgot the site

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

here is a place that will widen your view of whats going on. Life is full of pestilance, death and destruction, life, things we aren't 'normally' aware of. Focusing soley on wars and a few current world events is stinted view that colours any predictions. Actuaries would laugh at the bible.

There are histories of the planet related to economies and weather conditions that 'change' over longer periods of time, so we don't 'notice' them as readily. Economies and empires crumble, the planet transforms constantly outside our view.

The bible is predictively vague, and then people go attaching facts post event trying to prove its true. If its so acurrate we ought to know without doubt beforehand. vaguery serves the gullible.

Rasputin will come back as a 'little person' aka midget, mud wrestler.

RE: Maybe the Bible was right.

I predict there will be wars, famine, extreme weather conditions and climate adjustments well into the 21st century.

You heard it here! I am the center of your universe..


Its called reasonable expectations based on previous behaviors. Mankind and the planet have been unchanged since its birth. In the big picture things stay the same. In the little picture (one man's view) he only sees his own environs, the forest for the trees syndrome.


When there is some empirical evidence lemme know, there's somebody I'd like to bone before it all gets sucked back into the vortex of mind numbing repetition.

RE: Hey Everybody - its Bodleings birthday on Monday

This is MY thread ...

RE: Something I have been wanting to post for a long time, so here it is

christianity IS mainstream

Wire Tapping-Sweden ...Then ...

Thats not so unusual really. Data storage is common and really uses very little space on hardrives. It's also possible if you use wireless in your home network (even using encrypted login) for someone to be outside monitoring you and or usng your web connection.

AND if you use your credit card or debit card at a store that uses wireless tech., someone can be out in the parking lot stealing information that is passing through the system, your information, numbers, pins etc. because a lot of stores just don't know how to guard their wireless traffic.

Wire Tapping-Sweden ...Then ...

I think any terrorist with half a brain would be using encription or 'other' technologies in ways that are less monitorable. I have my doubts about this being a terrorist response. What is concerning to me is that people want to give them credit for pulling of some pretty heinous acts, but then label them as stupid enough to not cover their internet tracks. One second they're organized the next theyre just dumb? Makes no sense. I think the terrorist angle is a red herring.

Every ISP can track and monitor your every move on the web, doesn't matter who it is, ATT or verizon, Bell, cable companies, who ever your account is with. Chat servers can record pass through traffic etc. Its bad enough they can do this and there is no 'disclosure laws save the ISP's integrity I suppose but for gov't to enact laws that allow them to arbitrarily access any database at any time is a step in the wrong direction me thinks.

I dont have anything to hide and that's hardly the point. In analogy, I like being naked but the last thing I want is for someone to have the right to rip my cloths off when they want to. Its a violation of rights and privacy. I understand that posting on public sites is my responsibility but that is taken by choice, not by gov't edicts.

The internet was started, unless I am mistaken by the US war machine and it is the gov't who has taken it upon themselves to upgrade the backbone of the system as well. The gov't interest in maintaining the web is questionable. They don't maintain much else, so why the web?

Wire Tapping-Sweden ...Then ...

Sweden will enact their wiretapping law, (passed in Jun. 08) in Jan. 09, giving them (FRA) the right to intercept any and all communications in and out of Sweden, emails, phone calls, internet traffic, you name it they can keep an eye on your emails, banking, websites you visit. All ISP providers are required to send all network traffic records to the state for analysis, including any traffic that merely passes through Sweden, routed through. Because of how the internet works, a great deal of traffic from other countries is routed through that country at any given time as it is in any country.

Of course I am not Swedish, so it's information I gleaned off the www. Perhaps a Swede could verify if it's true?

Hoiw do you feel about the insurgence of government, not just in Sweden but also in other countries where government is putting the clamps on internet traffic. Is freedom of speech become a thing of the past?

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

apparently they did.. cause there are no bodies. what happened is anyones guess, though there are theories. If you dont have to produce bodies, there's less chance of qualified forensics people making any assessment that would make the gov't culpable.



if they have access to better weapons and tech. why are they not using them doesnt make sense if you can safely send a rocket/missile from 1000 yards away, but chose to send some poor lady with a crude waiste bomb. Doesn't add up.

Funny you should speak of funding because both Saddam and Bin Hidin were funded by the US gov't.

The gov't has more 'sleeper cells' than you can shake a stick at.

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

actually there are NO bodies, not to mention debris, (luggage, wallets, ipods etc, in washington or penn, (so where are they?)where those planes crashed. As for the wtc bodies, well way too much mess to identify anyone.


32 uneducated, unqualified so called terrorists are organized? They botched their first attempt, glad you brought that up, because it shows they are not qualified to pull of a simple bombing... I beleive government is not only more organized, but more capable, has more resources and has more educated, more qualified people, including spin doctors and spy game people, intell as it were, not to mention the very best people in psycho-babble, science, physics, wargames etc etc... I refuse to under estimate them and over estimate 32 uneducated "muslim"(?) radicals, 9 of which somehow miraculously survived the planes crashes when no one else did.

holes - dont always mean plane crashes

Previous bombings elsewhere, sure, not nearly as comlicated as 911 and not done on US soil. Big differences. There will always be bombings in other countries as long as the US/UK and their allies illegally occupy muslim soil and or protects Isreal. I dont consider them as organized well planned events, to strap a bomb to someones waist or fill a truck with explosives. Even that suggests minimal resources and ability in "so called terrorist' ability.

Some would call them terroists, others would call them freedom fighters, all in your perspective on who's in who's country.

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

Am I mistaken or is there a correlation between people who beleive in a supreme being and also in pristine government at the same time?

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

Bush is just a figurehead, who by the way takes on already existing agenda of the previous gov't that is influenced by the world bank.

You want us to think the 'alledged terrorists' were more intelligent and more able to plan such an event than the leaders of of the US gov. haha ... As I stated earlier 'intelligence' in the gov is far more involved than you give them credit for. They know how to create 'cells'. Separate groups of people who do what they want them to, but have no idea what other cells are doing. Terrorist cells, isn't a new thing. The number of people who have to know the plan is minimal, as long as the cells do their work.

popular mechanics refuted by top experts in demolision, physics and explosives.

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

still trying to tie who did it to memories... the sadness and memories have nothing to do with who did it.



and where would this 'too much evidence to the contrary' be

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

cells operate without knowledge of what the other the cells are doing. Not many people need to know the whole plan or even why they are doing what theyre doing.

apply the same logic to the 'alledged' terrorists and tons of people would be producing evidence about them

how does the truth defile the fact of innocent lives being lost? matters not who did it when youre talking about loss of life ... not sure why you need to equate the two. Some people just want it to muslim terrorists, somehow that makes the loss of life more honourable

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

you watch too much David Icke

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

even that would be complicit Hugz ... guilty still... though the evidence points to their resources being used, more than complicit...

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

along with ruining any chance of locating records of the 60 billion dollar 'accounting error' and what they were destroying at the pentagon .. recently renovated I might add to withstand greater impact than the rest of the building

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

not THAT day ... doesn't anybody read the building was shut down for a day before the event.

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

Oooo I think you misunderstood me... I'm NOT going to search through my 40,000 posts to find stuff I already posted
I'm relying on professional evidence and proof, not heresay on the internet, though that sometimes leads me to check something out. Science is a pretty good measuring stick and so is common sense.

And you 're right theres a lot of crap online, and as might suspect a lot of it started and fed by the feds. Don't underestimate them.

What I think is totally crazy is people beleiving that some radicals could do something so heanous and yet not beleive that their gov't and others have equally if not more devious abilities, resources and know how than some dessert dweller who grew up on the wrong side of the street. To credit 'terrorists' this ability and know how makes Bush and his cronies look like simpletons .... maybe they are..

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

ya I forgot what charge placement is called, big deal.

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

As I recall they were people who worked in the building that said it had been closed for a time prior, also people who worked there who heard the explosions. There were more than just americans there too. Granted the bulk of people were american. If I come across it again I'll let you know.

I beleive there is a group of survivors and fams of survivors pressuring the gov't for answers and discloser, can't rememeber their group name though..

RE: On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated

Ive posted them (sites) before, its out there as well as Isreali companies that moved out a week before and some people who were killed for questioning. Sorry I'm not going searching again. I satisfied myself as to proof long ago and don't recall all the places I went to.