Well then explain away. Just what I have brought forth so far...nope. I still feel you need to offer more. I don’t see where my interpretation is incorrect in the slightest. The ball is in your court.
I reject the entire Christian basis or understanding of a creator but not without explaining my reasons. I’m always willing to do that. I don’t think you should tell people that you dislike something but then offer them no clear explanation as to why.
Whoa, hold up. What makes you think I have any problem with Jesus? Have I said I have a problem with Jesus? You will have to find that and quote it for me. Do I have an issue with Christianity? Well yes. And with good reason. You are familiar with my stance if you have seen me on other forums. However it is entirely "organized religion" on a whole that I have a specific grievance with. In fact I have a problem with Islam and Judaism also. All three of them. What makes you think I would be doing anything different if I lived in the Middle East? The only difference there is I would be dead or in prison by now.
Let's talk a little about the word "saved" shall we? Here are only 7 different interpretations found in scripture.
Say the right things. For by thy words thou shalt be justified. -- Matthew 12:37
Do the right things. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. -- John 5:29 For you render to each one according to his works. -- Psalm 62:12
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. -- Jeremiah 17:10
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul. -- Ezekiel 18:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16.27
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. -- Matthew 25:34-36
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified. -- Romans 2:6, 13
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. -- 2 Corinthians 5:10
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. -- 2 Corinthians 11:15
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work. -- 1 Peter 1:17
I will give unto every one of you according to your works. -- Revelation 2:23
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. -- Revelation 20:12-13
Believe the right things. A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. -- Romans 5:1
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. -- Galatians 2:16
For by grace are ye saved through faith. -- Ephesians 2:8
Do and believe the right things. Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. -- James 2:17
Do the will of God. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 7:21
Believe in Jesus. Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -- John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life -- John 3:36
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. -- Acts 16:31
Be born again. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. -- John 3:3
I can keep going...but you get the point here. No consensus.
Part of my educational background was in physical and cultural anthropology so I’m aware of some of these issues and contradictions found in scripture. We basically study the bible as just another Creation mythology because that’s all it is. That’s why I know the name "Yahweh" etc and I’m well versed in the OT. Not as much the NT. So mystery is cleared up.
Now, care to explain "spiritual but not religious?" That is hardly a truthful description.
My favoritie emoticon this site doesnt have but Ive seen it over on Mingle2. Its a blue round face with an eyebrow that raises in a "spocklike manner" Does anyone know the one Im talking about? Its for whenever someone says something that makes no sense.
Exactly. Constantine? No agenda there! My interpretation is perfectly valid Ray. It’s just as legit as yours. We are in the same boat and assessing the writing of people who are reporting after the fact and long after these events took place. That is, if they took place. These people had no TV sets. You know what they did for amusement and recreation? Told stories!
Explain why I am forbidden from quoting scripture while discussing Christianity?
You flatter yourself. I have NOT been addressing you personally at tall. If you quote me I will respond to the thread and to you. I am ABLE to use bible context when addressing the Christian theology. No reasonable person would argue that point.
Well you are arguing with about three of us on different threads about the fallacy of biological evolution. What do you expect us to understand that your beliefs about the origin of life to consist of exactly?
Adam and Eve would have long since been dead by the time Jesus was on the scene.
It the entire first cannon! Genesis!
He also instructed you to take dominion over the earth and be fruitful and multiply. Now look where that has gotten us in regards to the current day ecological crisis.
The first Christians were Jews! Jesus was a Jew!
I agree. "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies." If we follow this advice we would ignore most of the Bible!
Im not sure. It might have something to do with the male/female ratio on these free dating sites. You are looking at an estimate of 30:70 so because there are a lot more males, you will see more male profiles without photos I guess.
Fundy refers to a fundamentalist Christian. I am certainly not the Christian in this debate. I’ve never heard the term used outside of that context.
That is your prerogative. No one is arguing with your right to pick and choose. It is referred to as a "Designer Christian." You seem to feel that is a derogatory term but it isn’t. It’s a classification of Christian. It applies to those that seemingly reject most of the OT due to the violence. However, as far as I am concerned, the entire bible represents the faith. It is supposed to be the word of Yahweh from the start to finish.
I’m not "assigning" anything to you personally. When I make these comments on forum, they are directed to the thread itself and the Christian faith itself. In that case, the entire bible is being utilized.
But there WAS NO OTHER GOD than Yahweh.
And he was simply nurtheuing their faith by commanding acts such as ordering Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. Is that how he does it? Count me out.
Well if you reject biological evolution and human anthropogenesis....
Was it or was it not, the word of Yahweh?
Well that is a very immature position for you to take.
I’m not going to dispute anything with you. If you quote me, I will respond unless you become rude or unreasonable.
I’m not sure I have "attacked" anything Ray. You seem to feel that the non-believers "attack" and the believers "debate." Well that’s just silly.
What’s it to you what my personal beliefs entail? Maybe I’m an Atheist. Maybe I’m Buddhist. What difference does that make? It’s another straw man. Do you just want to know so that you can adequately compartmentalize me for some reason?
You have listed on your profile that you are "spiritual but not religious.” So far ALL I have seen you do on these forums is act as apologetic for Christianity yet you deny that also.
John believed that the things that he wrote about would happen soon, within his own lifetime. After nearly 2000 years, believers still believe that "the time is at hand" and that the events described in Revelation will "shortly come to pass." Hrmmm
I don’t see a tremendous outpouring of Christian concern for the ecological balance of mother earth. Seems I recall something along the lines of "be fruitful and multiply" to the tune of nearly 7 bil.
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He looks so annoyed.
RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?
Well then explain away. Just what I have brought forth so far...nope. I still feel you need to offer more. I don’t see where my interpretation is incorrect in the slightest. The ball is in your court.