I dont think you are lying on purpose. You accused me of lying. I think you are just a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters. Thats painfully obvious.
Because you posted a quote by Patrick Henry that is a forgery in the hope that you could get away with it. You didnt realize I was interested in history and have read several politcal biographies.
Sir, I NEVER stated that I had NEVER told a lie in my entire life. Dont be ridiculous. I stated that YOU HAD ACCUSED ME OF LYING. Understand the differance? Good.
You just did on this thread. I dont care about the rest of your life. Im not dating you.
Yes unless you admit that you did not have the fore knowledge that this Patrick Henry quote was a forgery.
Sir, with all due respect, you were the one that posted that quote by Patrick Henry. I happened to know it was an alleged forgery because it had never been documented or attributed to any of his known writings. So tell us dear sir, is it proper or moral for you to then go posting it over the course of this debate in the hopes that no one calls you on it?
What des that state about your moral fiber and whether or not we should now be able to view anything else you post as being legitimate, not taken out of context or disingenuous in some other respect? Hmm?
At times religious wording was written into Lincoln's speeches, but such public soothes were brought at the insistence of White House staff members. In 1843, after he lost a campaign for Congress, he wrote to his supporters: "It was everywhere contended that no Christian ought to vote for me because I belonged to no church, and was suspected of being a Deist."
Abraham Lincoln, although not a Founding Father, was an extremely influential and important U.S. President. He is considered, after George Washington, the greatest of presidents. Every child is taught about Lincoln's birth in a log cabin, but what is not taught is that he rejected Christianity, never joined a church, and even wrote a treatise against religion.
At times religious wording was written into Lincoln's speeches, but such public soothes were brought at the insistence of White House staff members. In 1843, after he lost a campaign for Congress, he wrote to his supporters: "It was everywhere contended that no Christian ought to vote for me because I belonged to no church, and was suspected of being a Deist."
When Lincoln was first considered for the presidential nomination, Logan Hay wrote to his nephew, the future Secretary of State John Hay: "Candor compels me to say that Mr. Lincoln could hardly be termed a devout believer in the authenticity of the Bible (but this is for your ears only)." Interviewer Opie Read once asked Lincoln about his conception of God, to which he replied: "The same as my conception of nature." When he was asked what he meant by that, he said: "That it is impossible for either to be personal."
His former law partner, William Herndon, said of him after his assassination: "[Mr. Lincoln] never mentioned the name of Jesus, except to scorn and detest the idea of a miraculous conception. He did write a little work on infidelity in 1835-6, and never recanted. He was an out-and-out infidel, and about that there is no mistake." He also said that Lincoln "assimilated into his own being" the heretical book Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.
Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."
Supreme Court Justice David Davis: "He had no faith, in the Christian sense of the term-- he had faith in laws, principles, causes and effects."
Sir, you have provoked complaints of extended copy and pastes. You have yet to produce the Patrick Henry forgery that has been requested of you. What shall we make of that?
Abraham Lincoln, although not a Founding Father, was an extremely influential and important U.S. President. He is considered, after George Washington, the greatest of presidents. Every child is taught about Lincoln's birth in a log cabin, but what is not taught is that he rejected Christianity, never joined a church, and even wrote a treatise against religion.
At times religious wording was written into Lincoln's speeches, but such public soothes were brought at the insistence of White House staff members. In 1843, after he lost a campaign for Congress, he wrote to his supporters: "It was everywhere contended that no Christian ought to vote for me because I belonged to no church, and was suspected of being a Deist."
When Lincoln was first considered for the presidential nomination, Logan Hay wrote to his nephew, the future Secretary of State John Hay: "Candor compels me to say that Mr. Lincoln could hardly be termed a devout believer in the authenticity of the Bible (but this is for your ears only)." Interviewer Opie Read once asked Lincoln about his conception of God, to which he replied: "The same as my conception of nature." When he was asked what he meant by that, he said: "That it is impossible for either to be personal."
His former law partner, William Herndon, said of him after his assassination: "[Mr. Lincoln] never mentioned the name of Jesus, except to scorn and detest the idea of a miraculous conception. He did write a little work on infidelity in 1835-6, and never recanted. He was an out-and-out infidel, and about that there is no mistake." He also said that Lincoln "assimilated into his own being" the heretical book Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.
Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."
Supreme Court Justice David Davis: "He had no faith, in the Christian sense of the term-- he had faith in laws, principles, causes and effects."
I know for me personally I waste a good more portion of my time online when it’s cold and snowy out. Once the spring comes, I don’t dare waste it. The weather has a direct correlation.
It’s true that we do not know if Jesus ever actually walked the earth or was a flesh and blood person. It is easy to believe that he might have been a historical conglomeration of individual "heroes." Jesus never wrote anything down himself so all that we have is the word of Paul essentially and the NT. Paul began writing the NT some 60 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus. It’s critically important to understand this. What you are looking at is a whole lot of hearsay and latent interpretation of a person that may or may not have existed at tall.
In that case, it would make you wonder how they find time to mate and create more little French people if all of the French males are stuck online and all of the French women are allegedly living it up and "seizing the day" so to speak.
Yeah so in that case, I wouldn’t say you are deliberately lying to people. Just having some fun with them. The thing about the internet is it’s anonymous to a degree. At least people assume it is but that’s not entirely true. I rely on a webcam.
I will look that one up. I never heard of it but that's because it was released in 1984 and by then of course, I was no longer reading children’s books. His stuff is great though. It can be interpreted on many levels and that's why it was fun for kids to read I think. I loved all the rhymes. "Green Eggs and Ham" was the first official book I read from start to finish.
Oh yes. Santa. He was based off the very real Saint Nicolas. But where did the idea that he employed "elves" working for him year round making toys in an enchanted forest hidden from human gaze come from exactly? Is that in the bible? Sounds awful pagan to me. Remember that Christmas itself was stolen from the Pagans and was originally the observance of the Winter Solstice and in fact dates back before the pagan Romans.
The term under god is referred to as "Ceremonial Deism." Here is the definition for that term taken from Wiki:
Ceremonial deism is a legal term used in the United States for nominally religious statements and practices deemed to be merely ritual and non-religious through long customary usage. Proposed examples of ceremonial deism include the reference to God introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, and the phrase "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency.
It is also NEVER stated that they are referencing the Christian god of the bible. You can try to find that but I can tell you for a fact you never will. Many of the members of the Continental Congress were Deists.
As for good ol Abe, he was non-religious as far as anyone can tell.
"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession." -Spoken by Abraham Lincoln
Sir, I have no problem with your retrieving that information from a Christian website. It’s just that obviously the documentation will be slanted in that direction. They are placed in an impossible situation. They have the actual statement there in black and white that "this nation was not founded on the Christian religion." So the website has to neutralize that information in some respect correct?
You follow me thus far?
They did this by saying that these sneaky Christians actually were forced to lie to the Muslims and state this in order to keep the peace.
So once again I ask, were these men simply lying Christians? That is your explanation.
So Sir, according to your article, taken from a Christian website, the writers of this Treaty were simply attempting to appease the Muslims by the addition of article 11? I don’t think so. I believe that these men said what they meant and meant what they said.
So take your pick.
The article means exactly what it says
Or
Our founding fathers and John Adams in particular were a bunch of lying Christians?
It also saddens me to see that the US was not always at odds with the Muslims of the Middle East. Of course that would all change in due time with a succession of Christian presidents later in our history.
Sir what you fail to recognize is I have matched quote for quote everything you have posted that supposedly "proves" that this nation was founded on any sort of Christian "morality” or principles. The issue comes into play that we can no longer trust you not to take quotes out of context or to merely misrepresent what you are posting due to the fact that I pulled one of your quotes out of a hat and proved that Patrick Henry never in fact said that.
Where does that leave you?
My point has been substantiated ten fold. And here is the grand finale and a little icing on the cake.
Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Oh another great Dr. Seuss book I just remembered. The Sneetches. It dealt with prejudice and kind of introduced children to bigotry in the world but in a way that wouldn’t frighten kids. It just taught them it was wrong.
Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars. The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars. Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small. You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.
But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly Sneetches Would brag, “We’re the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches.” With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they’d snort “We’ll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!” And, whenever they met some, when they were out walking, They’d hike right on past them without even talking.
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RE: War against Christian
I have posted the evidence that IT IS AN UNDOCUMENTED STATEMENT. You are screwed.