If you were to show mw tangible proof of god, then I would believe you. That’s the whole point of proving something. It’s also your responsibility as you are asserting that god exists. I think something exists, just not that god. Does that make it easier or harder for you?
Children that are born and raised in communist nations are generally "atheist by default" but thats a little different. That's simply because they arent exposed to religion growing up normally in that society. Most children start asking questions about god when they begin to have an understahding of death. A pet goldfish dies or something along those lines. So I can see his point that we are all born atheists in a sense.
So are you being an arrogant Christian right now and assuming that the OP meant the god of Abraham just because he used the word "god?" Isn't that proving my point?
Why do Christians always hide behind not being capable of proving anything?
Why can’t you prove a positive assertion?
It would be easier to prove that Darth Vader exists then god.
Well I would disagree. Granted they have budgets and financial limitations but not all medical techs are "closed minded." They may not all hold a firm conviction in faith healing though some certainly do. It’s best not to attempt to compartmentalize everyone who works in the field of medical science and technology.
I’m not convinced of that. I tend to believe that we are reincarnated over and over. I don’t think there was a time when I didn’t exist nor a time that I wont exist. I have no proof of this so I won’t make any wild claims. That’s not my style.
Are you implying that a doctor or medical researcher can not be open minded?
Exactly. They do. If I was sick, I would try to heal myself through non evasive means or natural therapies first, but if I could not do that or if I required emergency medical care, well faith is just not cutting it at that point. We also can not blindly assume that a NDE experience is proof for life after death. Primarily because the accounts are very similar and also because we do know there are certain causes for the reported phenomena that are bound up in human physiology and certain response mechanisms and the pineal gland.
I’ve always thought it was possible for them to work together synergistically. Call me crazy.
Sroll up. Stress already explained this one...You can not prove the existence of a god yet the burden is on you. Especially in light of what you claimed on that other thread.
The closest I would say a person could come to proving a god or spirit world reality is with the OBE (Out of Body) or NDE (Near Death) and even then medical science argues these apparitions in the realm of "lights and tunnels". They can have physiological explanations also so even that is not proof beyond acceptable doubt. Maybe if someone was dead for like a day and a half and then came back I would believe them. The other thing is it takes people a long time to die. There is a window period where resuscitation is often still possible.
One does not have to prove or substantiate a negative assertion.
He actually beat me to it. The responsibility does not fall upon the atheist but on the believer. Does the expression "back to square one" mean anything to you?
One does not have to prove or substantiate a negative assertion.
That means that the Atheists are not in a position to prove that a god does not exist.
The burden falls upon those that make a claim for his existence. I’m assuming you are referring to the God of Abraham? Christians are usually arrogant enough to assume that the word "god" alone implies the biblical one. Pfft.
Okay good. I have been accused of being somewhat abrasive at times so I didn’t want you to think I was insulting you. I just don’t feel that Waddell's theories carry quite as much weight as Frost's but that’s my OWN opinion. I respect your knowledge of Atlantis of course.
So you are stating that me saying that I feel Frost is more credible is plagiarized?
Find this exact comment on another website please.
krimsa: What am I supposed to be happy about? Do you want me to be impressed with him? Hardly. He sounds like a suedo-scientist compared with K.T. Frost. That’s just my opinion though. Don’t take it personally of course. We are each entitled to give more credence to the scientists we feel warrant it. -krimsa-
And looking back over this thread, Norslyman also. You forgot to mention him. Funny how Christians don’t plagiarize, yet a non Christian does? Even when I never claimed those were my words? Not to mention that the text was separated and emboldened and we were discussing which scientist was most credible (meaning who would have the most documented supportive evidence for their research.) Reading comprehension also helps in these cases doesn’t it?
I NEVER stated those were my comments. It was clear that we were BOTH using information from websites as that was part of the debate. I find that entirely different form someone (I wont say her name) who started several threads utilizing pages upon pages of blogger information that she never implied was anyone else’s work except her own.
Yes isn’t that odd? The Sumerians had nearly an identical story depicted in their own mythology. Yet the bible was written a little over a thousand years later. Plagiarism? The Sumerians would eventually be sacked by a people called the Akkadians who were Semitic in origin…hrmmm.
Well you appear to be base don your posts. If you made a mistake, no problem, simply admit that. 5 years is hardly much older but I guess it’s subjective. I would imagine a “cougar” is considered to be at least 10 years the senior of her mate. When you are 80 and she’s 85 you will both be gumming your steak I’m afraid…
I’m perfectly fine with individual "beliefs" and people making these kinds of statements without justification. If they feel it in their heart to be real, then it’s real enough to them.
Where my point of contention lies is that BECAUSE a person may hold their beliefs with such unwavering conviction that they might actually kill for them in the name of their individual god de jour. In fact it is the absence of morality that can potentially accompany such devotion that can be quite destructive as we have witnessed historically.
I think their is belief, faith and expectation. We probably should not run amuck with those terms. People tend to throw them around very often.
Faith: Faith is the confident belief in the truth of or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. It is also used for a belief, characteristically without proof.
Belief: Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
Expectation: In the case of uncertainty, expectation is what is considered the most likely to happen. An expectation, which is a belief that is centred on the future, may or may not be realistic.
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RE: Prove to me....
If you were to show mw tangible proof of god, then I would believe you. That’s the whole point of proving something. It’s also your responsibility as you are asserting that god exists. I think something exists, just not that god. Does that make it easier or harder for you?