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Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

I would agree. I tend to believe a flood may have occurred in the Middle East but it was LOCALIZED and did not span the globe.



I agree with most of this post. Are you referring to the Sumerian, Atlantis connection theory and that they colonized it? Na, where is the evidence? Crete on the other hand was exactly what Plato described. Even down to the physical appearance of the island itself and the bull jumping found in frescos located at the palace.



I have never even researched this theory myself. Not in any deterministic fashion. I just feel based on what I’m seeing and reading here on this forum, Frost's theory is still the hands down most credible and scientifically reliable.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

I have not seen that website (that I am aware of anyway) and I think Frost's research is the most credible, least biased and the most archeologically and historically based in fact. You seem to feel that NO other person that has worked in this field of study is more credible than L.A. Waddell and honestly, I don’t trust his findings whatsoever.



Just the opposite. It was I who asked to hear the theory that you felt was the most viable. I wanted to compare it to the Minoan Crete account and as mentioned, I simply did not buy your premise at all. It was weak.



To understand the effect of such an explosion, scientists have compared it with the most powerful volcanic explosion in historic times. This occurred on the Island of Krakatoa in 1883. There a giant wave, or tsunami, 120 feet high raced across the sea and hit neighboring islands, killing 36,000 people. Ash thrown up into the air blackened the skies for three days. The sound of the explosion was heard as far away as 3,000 miles.



I've heard of Donnelly. He was an American politician and had come to the belief that Plato's story represented actual historical fact. He located Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, suggesting the Azores Islands represented what remained of the highest mountain peaks. Donnelly said he had studied zoology and geology and had come to the conclusion that civilization itself had begun with the Atlantians and had spread out throughout the world as the Atlantians established colonies in places like ancient Egypt and Peru. Donnelly's book became a world-wide best seller, but researchers could not take Donnelly's theories seriously as he offered no proof for his ideas.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Yes but in response to that comment, I wasn't there for WW2 either...

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

"Media background research soon revealed that he was not a licensed plumber and he owed taxes."

I wonder what his thoughts are on the location of Atlantis?

RE: Darwin's Theory of Evolution

Bump!

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Most people who believe in a global flood also believe that the flood was responsible for creating ALL fossil-bearing strata. (The alternative, that the strata were laid down slowly and thus represent a time sequence of several generations at least, would prove that some kind of evolutionary process occurred.) However, there is a great deal of contrary evidence.

Before you argue that fossil evidence was dated and interpreted to meet evolutionary assumptions, remember that the geological column and the relative dates therein were laid out by people who believed divine creation, before Darwin even formulated his theory.

RE: My first experience is elder woman/man ( Love making ) ?

Tomato on grilled cheese? hrmm. That doesn't sound bad. Ive never had it.

RE: My first experience is elder woman/man ( Love making ) ?

Yeah it was an older guy but not dramatically. We were both in high school at the time.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

That’s a little silly and immature don’t you think? If this one guy (who isn’t an accredited historian or Egyptologist that I can locate online) doesn't approve, you won’t even hear of it?

"Frost was perhaps the first to suggest that the Atlantis legend might be related to the Thera eruption, but he suggested near-by Crete as the location of ancient..."

I’m sorry but his theory seems far superior with less holes. I will still continue to lean in that direction on the actual location of Atlantis and what occurred until a stronger explanation emerges and so far I don’t see that with your information.

You made it sound as if you had something earth shattering. Im underwhelmed...

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Egypt at that time was founded on Sumerian beliefs and practices, and Sumerian beliefs and practices were founded from Atlantis.


But Atlantis IS Crete.

In the fifth century BC the Greek philosopher Plato describes the disappearance of the island of Atlantis, basing his tale on the account of Solon in the sixth century BC. Solon in turn had received his information from Egyptian priests. Plato’s account, written some time around 360 BC, is in part as follows:

" Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent . . . But, there occurred violent earthquakes and floods, and in a single day and night of misfortune. . . the island of Atlantis . . . disappeared in the depths of the sea."

Many scholars have speculated that Plato’s account of the destruction and disappearance of the island of Atlantis is a legend that is derived from the great eruption of Santorini in the Bronze Age. Most or all legends are based on some grain of truth, some natural or historical event, that has been re-told, modified and magnified with time. It is therefore well worth while to examine the legend further and look for parallels between the Atlantis account and what we know of Thera, or Santorini, as the island was known in ancient times.

Plato was founder of the famous Academy of Athens, where his most famous student was Aristotle. In the Timaeus and in Critias Plato describes Atlantis as being a circular island, with an interior ring of sea. Passages or canals extended from the inner ring to the open ocean. K.T. Frost was perhaps the first to suggest that the Atlantis legend might be related to the Thera eruption, but he suggested near-by Crete as the location of ancient Atlantis, and the Minoan culture as the basis for the culture of the mythical Atlanteans. Others have gone further and suggested that the island of Thera itself represents Atlantis. In support of this one may point out the ring-like and concentric structures of Thera, the passages to the open ocean, the total destruction of the island and its inhabitants, with a typical Minoan civilization.


The most famous archeological site on Thera is the ancient Minoan town of Akrotiri, which covered about 20 hectares. Akrotiri was buried by volcanic ash and pumice during the Bronze Age eruption and thus in many respects it resembles the city of Pompeii, which was buried by pumice and ash from Vesuvius in Italy in 79 AD. Akrotiri was first discovered in 1866 but major excavations began in 1967. The houses in Akrotiri are major structures and some of them are three stories high. Streets and squares and walls standing as high as 8 meters indicate that this was a major town. In many houses the stone staircases are still intact, and they contain huge ceramic storage jars (pithoi), mills, and pottery. The most famous archaeological remains found in Akrotiri are wall paintings or frescoes, which have kept their original color very well, as they were preserved under many meters of volcanic ash. The town had a highly developed drainage system and its citizens were clearly very sophisticated and relatively wealthy people, judging from the fine art work.

The city had been abandoned just before the devastating eruption, and no skeletons or other human remains have been found. It is clear that the inhabitants were aware of the danger from the volcano, and had evacuated. It is likely that intense earthquakes made the island unihabitable and forced evacuation before the eruption

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Thaks but Im just not totally sold on that theory. Plato recorded and embellished the story from Solon's grandson Critias the Younger. As in many ancient writings, history and myth were indistinguishably intermixed. Plato probably translated "the land of the pillars which held the sky" (Keftiu) into the land of the titan Atlas (who held the sky). Comparison of ancient Egyptian records of Keftiu identifies a number of similarities to Plato's Atlantis. It seems likely that Plato's Atlantis was a retelling (and renaming) of Egypt's Keftiu.

When Plato identified the location of the land he named Atlantis, he placed it to the west-in the Atlantic Ocean. In reality, Egyptian legend placed Keftiu west of Egypt, not necessarily west of the Mediterranean. In describing Atlantis as an island (or continent) in the Atlantic Ocean, we suspect Plato was merely wrong in his interpretation of the Egyptian legend he was retelling.

Yet Plato preserved enough detail about the land of Atlantis that its identification now seems very likely, and rather less mysterious than many new-age advocates would like. It is likely that Atlantis was the land of the Minoan culture, namely ancient Crete and Thera. If this hypothesis is correct, Plato never realized that the land of Atlantis was already familiar to him. Let's have a look at the evidence which suggests that Minoan Crete and surrounding islands bear a striking resemblance to what Plato described as Atlantis.

Archaeological records show that the Minoan culture spread its dominion throughout the nearby islands of the Aegean, very roughly from 3000 years BC to about 1400 years BC. Crete, now part of Greece, was the capital for the Minoan people — an advanced civilization with language, commercial shipping, complex architecture, ritual and games. It seems very likely that related islands (e.g. Santorini/Thera) may have been part of the same culture. The Minoans were peaceful: very little evidence of military activity was found in their ruins. A 4-storied palace at Knossos, Crete, was said to be the capitol of the Minoan culture. Correspondence of Minoan cultural artifacts with aspects of the Atlantis legend make the identity of the two seem virtually certain. Perhaps the most unusual of these is the Minoan bull fighting. By Egyptian legend, the inhabitants of Keftiu would engage in ritualistic bull fighting, with unarmed Minoan bullfighters wrestling and jumping over uninjured bulls. This same foolhardy practice is richly illustrated in remaining Minoan artwork. Plato's (Egyptian) legend also holds that Atlantis was peaceful — this is confirmed by a virtually complete absence of weapons in Minoan ruins and in Minoan artwork — unusual for peoples of that time. Egyptian legend held that elephants were found on Keftiu — while there were presumably no elephants on Crete, the Minoans were known to deal in African ivory, and appear to have been the principal access to ivory for Egypt 20 centuries before Christ.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

It’s not exactly dinosaurs. I’m not sure if you read my quote?

In spite of some popular misconceptions, oil doesn't come from dead dinosaurs. In fact, most scientists agree that oil comes from creatures the size of a pinhead. These one-celled creatures, known as diatoms, aren't really plants, but share one very important characteristic with them, they take light from the sun and convert it into energy. (Humans can't do this - this is why you have to eat your veggies!)

Diatoms float in the top few meters of the oceans (and lakes, for that matter, which is part of the reason why not ALL oil comes from ocean deposits!) and also happen to be a major source of food for many forms of ocean swimmers. Their skeletons are chemically very similar to sand, in fact, they are made of the same material (silica). Diatoms produce a kind of oil by themselves, both to store chemical energy from photosynthesis and to increase their ability to float. But this small amount of oil still needs to become concentrated and mature before it can be taken from the ground and used as fuel.

Im not saying your theories have no validity its just that this is what Im familuar with.

RE: Liposuction & biodiesel

That would be stinky I bet.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Well start another thread then. Go for it....as they say.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Actually I thought the fossil remains were produced from one-celled creatures, known as diatoms. But what do I know?

RE: Just received the news this morning............I can not do it............

Thats wonderful! At least you tried. You have to do whats right for your own body also. I applaud you. Im a B- which is one of the lesser prevalent blood types so I give like crazy. You never know when they will need that type. Thsts nothing compared to an organ donation.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

Lily this is how you do quote tags.

[ quote ] The cow jumped over the moon. [/ quote ]

But you must remove all spaces. I am only placing the spaces here otherwise it will quote and the tags will disappear. They have to be flush up against the brackets.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Yeah I kind of do there Norse.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

John the Baptist, who is about to die, is still unsure about Jesus. He sends his disciples to Jesus asking: "Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?" Well, if he's not sure, how can anyone else be?

RE: The Couger

My understanding (I could be wrong) but what I have heard is that in parts of Europe, its quite common place for older women to date and be seen in public with substantially younger men. In the US, there is still more of a prohibition on it but it is lightening up as we are seeing with the increasing number of these "cougar" websites.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

norslyman: At any rate, I just wanted to make that clear that Velikovsky is very misunderstood, and that a planetary event is what he discovered in his study of calendars.

Interestingly enough, it’s been the Christians that have been resistant to any sort of change when it comes to calendars. The protestants refused to even make the switch to the Gregorian calendar for several years (what we use today) because the Pope made this request.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

I just did an image search for Santorini Island and it’s gorgeous. Its every bit a "lush paradise." I’m not certain what your definition of "lush" is so perhaps that is a bit subjective. I wouldn’t argue about it.

Santorini is situated at the Southern part of the Cyclades, South to Ios and Sikinos, South-East to Folegandros, West to Anafi and North to Crete, at a distance of 130 nautical miles from Piraeus and 70 nautical miles from Crete



I believe in this paragraph here they are speaking of the Island of Santorini during the actual time period of the Minoan Civilization and not in current modern geographical terms.

RE: The Couger

Well that’s why I’m telling you. Older women are not "scary" creatures. I’m not really certain what your definition of "older" is. Five years. Ten years. 15+ years.

Is the Bible Repulsive?

The difficulty I have in reconciling that argument is the fact that god is supposed to be omnipotent isn’t he? Wouldn’t he transcend all of our man made "cultural standards" of the day? I find it difficult to believe that an all powerful entity would condemn young women to death by stoning for allegedly not being virgins on their wedding nights. I have absolutely NO trouble at all imagining that those were a bunch of MAN made invented laws however. So where does that leave the bible?

Is the Bible Repulsive?

Well they blame all that on the "time period and culture." Or one of them was attempting to say that the OT Yahweh is the Jewish god and the NT Yahweh is the Christian one...

I guess that means if god had come to us durng the 1960s, then we would all be pot smoking, acid dropping hippies...the arguments become more and more silly as they progress.

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

And killing others over your dumb superstitions is even worse. Thats where it becomes a problem in my opinion.

Is the Bible Repulsive?

That remnds me of the NT and there is even a point where Paul says something to that effect.

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." (like the bible?)

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

Its quite clear there is no evidence to support the biblical world flood theory....

Is the Bible Repulsive?

Did the Great Biblical Flood actually occur?

To understand the effect of such an explosion, scientists have compared it with the most powerful volcanic explosion in historic times. This occurred on the Island of Krakatoa in 1883. There a giant wave, or tsunami, 120 feet high raced across the sea and hit neighboring islands, killing 36,000 people. Ash thrown up into the air blackened the skies for three days. The sound of the explosion was heard as far away as 3,000 miles.

The explosion at Santorinas was four times as powerful as Krakatoa.

The tsunami that hit Crete must have traveled inland for over half a mile, destroying any coastal towns or cities. The great Minoan fleet of ships were all sunk in a few seconds. Overnight the powerful Minoan Empire was crushed and Crete changed to a political backwater. One can hardly imagine a catastrophe more like Plato's description of Atlantis' fate than the destruction of Crete.

Many of the details of the Atlantis story fit with what is now known about Crete. Women had a relatively high political status, both cultures were peaceful, and both enjoyed the unusual sport of ritualistic bullfighting (where an unarmed man wrestled and jumped over a bull).

If the fall of the Minoans is the story of Atlantis, how did Plato get the location and time wrong? Galanopoulos suggested there was a mistake during translation of some of the figures from Egyptian to Greek and an extra zero added. This would mean 900 years ago became 9000, and the distance from Egypt to "Atlantis" went from 250 miles to 2,500. If this is true, Plato (knowing the layout of the Mediterranean Sea) would have been forced to assume the location of the island continent to be squarely in the Atlantic Ocean.

Not everyone accepts the Minoan Crete theory of the story of Atlantis, but until a convincing case can be made for some other place, it, perhaps, remains science's best guess.

According to Plato the temple in the center of Atlantis was dominated by a statue of Poseidon driving six winged horses.

What is your theory then if you do not believe Minoan Crete to be the actual Atlantis? You claim this is impossible yet offer no alternative theory....