"Hesiod's Theogony tells how, after Chaos, arose broad-breasted Gaia (Mother Earth) the everlasting foundation of the gods of Olympus. She brought forth Uranus, the starry sky, her equal, to cover her, the hills, and the fruitless deep of the Sea, Pontus, "without sweet union of love," out of her own self through parthenogenesis. But afterwards, as Hesiod tells it, she lay with her son, Uranus, and bore the World-Ocean Oceanus, Coeus and Crius and the Titans Hyperion and Iapetus, Theia and Rhea, Themis, Mnemosyne, and Phoebe of the golden crown, and lovely Tethys. "After them was born Cronus the wily, youngest and most terrible of her children, and he hated his lusty sire."
Oh my goodness...yes we definitely have a language barrier on our hands. A person can read the bible and be very familiar with it but NOT be a Christian.
Yes you have mentioned Paul but only after me brow beating you for months with the chauvinistic passages. What about the rest of the bible? Wasn’t it "divinely inspired" in some respect?
Exactly. King Henry 8 was the jumpstart so to speak and he proved that the Roman Catholic Church could in fact be denied and in particular, the pope. The pope had told Henry "No Divorce for you, sir"!
I think he said it "led to the formation" of the Protestant church. That was sometime later under that German Monk, Martin Luther right? King Henry was the first and he formed the Church of England simply because he could as king. He wanted a divorce and the Pope would not grant it. That’s what I understood from Crotalus' comment but I'll let him respond.
That’s exactly what I learned in history class during school. They teach us some English history because its important. It was over Henry the 8th divorce that the Protestant church was created or at least the Church of England. Then he ended up beheading his new wife anyway. Anne Boleyn? I named my Alpaca after English Royalty.
A friend of mine from another forum ordered a Buddhist lecture series on video. He’s not a Buddhists himself but has an interest in theology. He’s been telling me about this lecture series and it’s pretty interesting.
I challenge you once again to quote me at any time that I have attacked you or baited you or picked a fight. I won’t even limit you to this thread but ANY forum.
I asked the same question that was not answered previously...
Krimsa said: "So in other words, you are making the claim right now that everyone in the world who has had a NDE but NOT come away with it in a belief in your god of Abraham specifically, has not really had a NDE? I just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. So if a Muslim had a NDE and saw Allah, or a Wiccan had a NDE and witnessed the Goddess and God together, those would be false? Only the NDE that substantiate the premise behind the Christian interpretation of godhead is to be considered legitimate?"
LILLYLADY said:You ask how I would know? The answer is that if you had experienced a supernatural experiences like an NDE and told us of what had happened, you would not be searching the bibles for proof of the non existence of God.
Evidently you are claiming here that since I am not in full agreement with you that NDE qualifies as irrefutable proof of a god, that I have never had a NDE myself....I will allow you to explain on your next post.
I get into debates with the likes of people like you who want to make baseless and unsubstantiated claims. I have made a ton of friends on this forum so I’m mot sure what that remark means nor do I care in all honesty. I told you I stand alone in my position. Some might agree but that is irrelevant to me.
I just quoted you for a second time...
I’m not sure what question I have asked you except “why are there still Atheists and Agnostics in the world if as you claim NDE is proof positive of a god.” You have been asked this question I think 4 times now.
LILLYLADY said:I've met a Wiccan once, she was my coworker. Beyond that, I have never personally met an atheist.
Another question. How would you know that you have never met an Atheist? Every time you meet someone do you ask about their religious affiliation?
I have asked ONE (1) question of you. You have failed to answer. Do you think the question will go away because on every post you refuse to answer? I will just ask it again. I feel it’s an important question and it is relevant to our debate here.
??? Okay do we need to set a rule that I am not allowed to ask questions? I don’t understand.
Please explain your comment about Wiccans and what you meant by the quoted statement above. That is what I was referring to as arrogance. You are implying that Wiccans are Atheists because they do not share the same beliefs as yourself. Shameful...
That’s up to you and is your choice. I am sorry you feel so enraged and frustrated yet there is nothing I can do about that. You are responsible for how you conduct yourself.
Its not as if AIDS just appeared in the US a couple months ago either. I believe the very first recorded case within the continental US was in the early 1980s but I would need to look that up. I’m sure Pakistan is battling it just the same. As far as I knew it was a retro virus and on a pandemic scale.
"Manifest Destiny is the historical belief that the United States is destined and divinely ordained by God to expand across the North American continent, from the Atlantic seaboard to the Pacific Ocean. Sometimes Manifest Destiny was interpreted so widely as to include the eventual absorption of all North America: Canada, Mexico, Cuba and Central America. Advocates of Manifest Destiny believed that expansion was not only good, but that it was obvious ("manifest") and certain ("destiny"). Originally a political catch phrase of the 19th century, "Manifest Destiny" eventually became a standard historical term, sometimes used as a synonym for the expansion of the United States across the North American continent which the belief inspired or was used to justify."
I was under the impression that Catholicism was another denomination of Christianity? They believe in Jesus just as the Protestants do. Both factions have tried to kill one another historically.
I have not done very much of that. You have more so. All I have copy and pasted was a theologian to show you that I was not making this up out of my own head and it was substantiated.
I agree and if anything I think it is only stressing you out and making you feel upset. That was NEVER my intention nor do I want another re-play of the PH thread.
I never claimed that you sounded ridiculous. I only countered your faith based argument with facts.
I was focused on the debate between us. That’s why there is a quote feature so people can identify who they are addressing.
Nope. I have never once done this. I am who I am.
Well if you want to simply drop this one and go onto another, this time I suggest that you pick the one that you feel capable of addressing and that will this time give you a clear cut advantage. That’s only being fair.
I have taken debate in college but it was not my major.
Hmmm. That was not the point I don’t think. It was to further substantiate the fact that people are leaving the faith. They are doing so EVEN with all of your supposedly irrefutable "proof of the existence of a godhead." also.
So in other words, you are making the claim right now that everyone in the world who has had a NDE but NOT come away with it in a belief in your god of Abraham specifically, has not really had a NDE? I just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. So if a Muslim had a NDE and saw Allah, or a Wiccan had a NDE and witnessed the Goddess and God together, those would be false? Only the NDE that substantiate the premise behind the Christian interpretation of godhead is to be considered legitimate?
Yes but haven’t we listed some of the physiological causes? Don’t you need to weigh the two against one another before you throw your hands up in the air and claim it had to be god, and more specifically your god?
And you are basing this on?
Then WHY did you refer to them as Atheists? Is that only because you are so unabashedly arrogant that anyone with a belief other than in your same god is an atheist?
Why not? We have responded to your articles.
What?? The skeptics are agreeing with the doctors and their physiological explanations. Did you bother to read?
I posted this before but you ignored it.
"Certain surgeries for cerebral aneurysms or aortic arch defects require that blood circulation be stopped while repairs are performed. This deliberate temporary induction of clinical death is called circulatory arrest. It is typically performed by lowering body temperature to +18°C (+64°F), stopping the heart, stopping the brain with drugs to conserve energy, turning off the heart lung machine, and draining blood to eliminate all blood pressure. At such low temperatures the clinically dead state can be sustained without serious brain injury for up to one hour. Longer durations are possible at lower temperatures, but the usefulness of longer procedures has not been established yet."
Even if we don’t know if the person was dead or not?
But nonetheless this does occur or are you claiming that EVERY NDE is entirely unexplainable and therefore legitimizes your own personal belief in a god? Why would there still be Atheists and Agnostics in that case?
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RE: Isn't God with Everyone?
"Hesiod's Theogony tells how, after Chaos, arose broad-breasted Gaia (Mother Earth) the everlasting foundation of the gods of Olympus. She brought forth Uranus, the starry sky, her equal, to cover her, the hills, and the fruitless deep of the Sea, Pontus, "without sweet union of love," out of her own self through parthenogenesis. But afterwards, as Hesiod tells it, she lay with her son, Uranus, and bore the World-Ocean Oceanus, Coeus and Crius and the Titans Hyperion and Iapetus, Theia and Rhea, Themis, Mnemosyne, and Phoebe of the golden crown, and lovely Tethys. "After them was born Cronus the wily, youngest and most terrible of her children, and he hated his lusty sire."