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Mar 4, 2011 1:20 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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Hundreds of mourners in Libya have buried victims of clashes between pro and anti-government forces at Brega. The town, hosting a strategically important oil refinery, beat back an offensive by forces loyal to Gaddafi.

Al Jazeera reports that Thursday saw pro-Gaddafi forces attempting again to retake control. Air strikes on the oil-rich area failed to dislodge opposition fighters.

Rebel reinforcements from the east of the country are arriving in the nearby town of Ajdabiya and are arming themselves, according to information received by Al Jazeera.
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Mar 4, 2011 1:26 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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Saif Al Islam Gaddafi has accused the international media, including Al Jazeera, of blowing the crisis out of proportion.

In an interview with Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, he repeated the allegation claiming the West was trying to take over Libya's oil.

The station has released a sneak peek at that interview, which is still to be transmitted at 15:30 GMT today.

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Mar 4, 2011 1:38 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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A very graphic video posted to Facebook on Thursday has emerged showing what appears to be a group of soldiers, massacred in Libya.

While this video cannot be independently verified, it does show the bodies of at least 21 men in military clothing, bound and blindfolded with one seemingly still alive.

The arabic Facebook page says the video was first run on state TV, identifying the dead as soldiers, killed by anti-government fighters but says that the men were actually killed by pro-government forces, for refusing to fight.



WARNING: The video is very graphic and may be disturbing
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Mar 4, 2011 2:38 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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Saif al-Islam Gaddafi says bomb attacks at Brega were intended to "frighten" rebels into retreating. In an interview with Sky News, he states:

"The bombs were just to frighten them to go away. There is no city there, the city of Brega is miles away. I'm talking about the harbour, only oil refinery there."

He also stressed that the government would do everything in its power to maintain control of the oil refinery.

"This is the oil and gas hub of Libya. All of us, we eat, we live because of Brega. Without Brega, six million people have no future because we export all of our oil from there.

There are militia and they were filming themselves. They came with three tanks and heavy machine guns. There is a red line, you cannot control the harbour. Excuse me!

Nobody will allow the militia to control Brega, it's like you allowing somebody to control Rotterdam harbour.
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Meantime, the chief economist at the Standard & Poor's David Wyss, clarifies that the reason for the spike in global oil prices is not so much the loss in actual supply from Libya (a production cut of about 1 million barrels), but because of the wider implications if the unrest in the country spreads.
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Mar 4, 2011 3:07 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
Buffy327
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Thanks for the updates Zeus
sigh sigh
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Mar 4, 2011 3:45 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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On a personal note I would like to express my sincere thanks to the positive feedback I have been receiving in personal emails regarding these updates. It is especially encouraging to receive mails from people who do not normally post in the forums, yet have found time to write to me personally to thank me for my efforts and to reassure me that these updates are being appreciated in spite of some attempts to discredit this thread.

One such person actually wrote (and I quote directly) that "it is ironic that of all the media on or offline, I go to CS to check for impartial and real information about one of the major news stories of the decade!! I can't find another source where I can read about, THEN decide my opinions, rather that the other way around"

Thank you all for your continued support!! thumbs up thumbs up
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Mar 4, 2011 3:55 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
Situation is really getting serious!uh oh
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Mar 4, 2011 4:02 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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Libyan forces are reported to have carried out an air strike near a military base on the western outskirts of the rebel-held town of Ajdabiya early today.

"There was a bomb outside the military base near Ajdabiya," said Mohammad Abdallah, a rebel fighter at the last checkpoint of the town on the road to Brega, where rebels fought deadly battles with government forces on Wednesday.

"It was about 8.00 am," Abdallah added. That would make it about 0600 GMT. Other rebels also reported the air strike, but there were no casualties nor any visible damage.

The military barracks on the outskirts of Ajdabiya as have other such compounds have been targeted repeatedly by Muammar Gaddafi's forces since rebels began the popular uprising to evict the Libyan leader in an apparent move to avoid arms and ammunition falling in rebel hands.
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Mar 4, 2011 4:13 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
Lillym
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Conrad73: Situation is really getting serious!


I agree ... a solution has to be found sooner rather than later uh oh
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Mar 4, 2011 4:23 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
NextToYou
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Buffy327: LOL Is this guy for real? He came on as new a new member a day or two ago, acting as though he knew zeus? It is getting a little irritating trying to sort out the impersonators from actualfolks or trolls with a hidden agenda....Regardless, of who he is, he is trippin out.


The "hidden agendas" are all reserved for you and you’re similar in here... dear. All others are here to expresses their opinions, each one in his way, and as I'm what I am, I'm very serious man, but I like joking and teasing in between.
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Mar 4, 2011 4:32 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
chris27292729
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I suggested all along when the Libyan crisis started,that Western and American forces go there,get rid off Qaddafi and his clan,give power to the people to have a say how and whom they want to governed them,and leave.-So the Western powers they will hailed and applauded as liberators,not as conquers.Now, days of bloodshed,they think about it.
Conrad73: Situation is really getting serious!
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Mar 4, 2011 4:35 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II


Libya rebels seek air strikes against Gaddafi

By Mohammed Abbas – 1 hr 26 mins ago

AJDABIYAH, Libya (Reuters) – Libyan rebels calling for air strikes to set up a "no-fly" zone came under attack by a warplane for a third day on Friday as Muammar Gaddafi tried to loosen the opposition's expanding grip on a key coast road.

Eastern-based rebels spearheading a two-week-old revolt told Reuters they were open to talks only on Gaddafi's exile or resignation following attacks on civilians that have brought global condemnation and triggered a probe at the war crimes court.

"If there is any negotiation it will be on one single thing -- how Gaddafi is going to leave the country or step down so we can save lives. There is nothing else to negotiate," said Ahmed Jabreel of the rebel National Libyan Council in east Libya.

"We are not going to negotiate any political solution. We want him put on trial, but if we don't give him an exit, we know more people will be killed," said Jabreel, an aide to ex-justice minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil who heads the council.

Western nation have called for Gaddafi to go and are considering various options including the imposition of a no-fly zone, but are wary about any offensive military involvement to stabilize the world's 12th-largest oil exporter.

In the east, rebel volunteers said a Libyan government warplane bombed just beyond the walls of a military base held by the opposition in the town of Ajdabiyah but did not hit it,

"We were sat here, heard the jet, then the explosion and the earth shook. They fell outside the walls," said Hassan Faraj, who was guarding an ammunitions store at the Haniyeh base.

Another volunteer guard, Aziz Saleh, said two rockets had been fired and had landed just outside the walls of the base.

The air attacks have failed to stop the rebels using a key coast road to push their front line west of Brega, an oil terminal town 800 km (500 miles) east of Tripoli. They said they had driven back troops loyal to Gaddafi to Ras Lanuf, site of another major oil terminal, 600 km (400 miles) east of Tripoli.

Amid growing international concern about dwindling food and medical supplies in some rebel-held areas, diplomatic efforts are accelerating to end a conflict that the West fears could stir a mass refugee exodus across the Mediterranean to Europe.

U.S. President Barack Obama said he was concerned a bloody stalemate could develop between Gaddafi and rebel forces but gave no sign of a willingness to intervene militarily.

"Muammar Gaddafi has lost the legitimacy to lead and he must leave," Obama said, the first time he has called in public for Gaddafi to leave Libya, although he has urged his exit in written statements by the White House.

The popular uprising against Gaddafi's 41-year rule, the bloodiest yet against a long-serving ruler in the Middle East or North Africa, has knocked out nearly 50 percent of the OPEC-member's 1.6 million barrels of oil per day output, the bedrock of its economy.

The upheaval is causing a humanitarian crisis, especially on the Tunisian border where tens of thousands of foreign workers have fled to safety. But an organized international airlift started to relieve the human flood from Libya as word spread to refugees that planes were taking them home.

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez pushed a vague peace plan for Libya, saying he had spoken to his friend Gaddafi who had supported the proposal for a negotiating commission, accusing the West of eyeing the North African nation's oil.

But Saif al-Islam, a son of Gaddafi, said on Thursday that Libya did not need outside help to solve its troubles.

Rebels holding the port city of Zawiyah, 50 km (30 miles) west of the capital, Tripoli, said they had launched counter-attacks against Gaddafi's forces massing in the area and warned supplies of medicines and baby milk were running low................
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Mar 4, 2011 4:37 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
Buffy327
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NextToYou: The "hidden agendas" are all reserved for you and you’re similar in here... dear. All others are here to expresses their opinions, each one in his way, and as I'm what I am, I'm very serious man, but I like joking and teasing in between.


I c, so pick a more proper category to joke and tease..This Thread is Current Events and Politics...Updates on Libya...I c nothing funny or playful about what is going on in Libya. Seems to me that ur more serious side should show up here...JMHO
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Mar 4, 2011 5:18 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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One update I missed this morning is that the HMS York had left harbour this morning, in fact the Korean "Choi Young" is actualled berthed in its place. Visibility is very bad today (contrary to the pristine summer-blue skies of yesterday) and we have a strong force 6 wind blowing from the east which does not auger well for any crossings. However the wind should later abate to a force 3.

Reports from Libya indicate similar rainy and windy conditions even as far as Benghazi and sand storms reported in Ajdabiyah and Braygah which at least will deter air-strikes in the area.
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Mar 4, 2011 6:12 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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To fly or not to fly!

Shadi Hamid, of the Brookings Doha Centre, tells Al Jazeera:
"Gaddafi has made it unequivocally clear that he is not going to step down. The pro-democracy forces in the east of the country want to move into Tripoli, {but} they don't have the fire power, they don't have the troops."

He adds that a no-fly zone could shift the balance, but acknowledges that the move is not without its risks. "Bold action is often risky," he said.

Meantime however, Ibrahim Sharqieh, the deputy director of the same Center stated "The Arabs have a special sensitivity when it comes to military intervention because of the Iraqi experience" referring to the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent occupation.
"The Iraqi experience was managed poorly and has resulted in the deaths of too many people," he said.

On another note, The Arab League said Wednesday it would consider backing a no-fly zone over Libya to end the crackdown on anti-regime rebels, but ruled out supporting any direct foreign military intervention.
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Mar 4, 2011 7:09 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
ttom500
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zeus911: To fly or not to fly!

Shadi Hamid, of the Brookings Doha Centre, tells Al Jazeera:
"Gaddafi has made it unequivocally clear that he is not going to step down. The pro-democracy forces in the east of the country want to move into Tripoli, {but} they don't have the fire power, they don't have the troops."

He adds that a no-fly zone could shift the balance, but acknowledges that the move is not without its risks. "Bold action is often risky," he said.

Meantime however, Ibrahim Sharqieh, the deputy director of the same Center stated "The Arabs have a special sensitivity when it comes to military intervention because of the Iraqi experience" referring to the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent occupation.
"The Iraqi experience was managed poorly and has resulted in the deaths of too many people," he said.

On another note, The Arab League said Wednesday it would consider backing a no-fly zone over Libya to end the crackdown on anti-regime rebels, but ruled out supporting any direct foreign military intervention.


Maybe the best course of action here....is to let the Arab League nations....each with a Air Force. Do the no fly zone patrolling.

They can fly from neighboring Tunasia and Egypt. The US and NATO provide tanker refueling inside those countries. Outside of the range of Libyan air defenses.

Seems to me like a possible acceptable no fly to the Muslim world.
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Mar 4, 2011 7:11 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
ttom500: Maybe the best course of action here....is to let the Arab League nations....each with a Air Force. Do the no fly zone patrolling.

They can fly from neighboring Tunasia and Egypt. The US and NATO provide tanker refueling inside those countries. Outside of the range of Libyan air defenses.

Seems to me like a possible acceptable no fly to the Muslim world.


....is to stay at home rebuilding your crumbling economy and stuff like that..
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Mar 4, 2011 7:12 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
zeus911
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ttom500: Maybe the best course of action here....is to let the Arab League nations....each with a Air Force. Do the no fly zone patrolling.

They can fly from neighboring Tunasia and Egypt. The US and NATO provide tanker refueling inside those countries. Outside of the range of Libyan air defenses.

Seems to me like a possible acceptable no fly to the Muslim world.
yes tom, I surely agree that would be a more acceptable solution...
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Mar 4, 2011 7:15 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
ttom500
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Antjo39: ....is to stay at home rebuilding your crumbling economy and stuff like that..


We are always happy to lend a hand to democracy building, Antjo.

I thought you would like the compromise solution here. Maybe you are pro Qdaffi....knowing that those Arab League No Zone would help to boot him out of power.

I think since you provoked me....I will send the idea to the White House. I was hoping Zues here.....would pick up the idea let it develop inside NATO.

But since you jumped in as you did.....I will pass the idea on to our people.
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Mar 4, 2011 7:25 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part II
ttom500: We are always happy to lend a hand to democracy building, Antjo.

I thought you would like the compromise solution here. Maybe you are pro Qdaffi....knowing that those Arab League No Zone would help to boot him out of power.

I think since you provoked me....I will send the idea to the White House. I was hoping Zues here.....would pick up the idea let it develop inside NATO.

But since you jumped in as you did.....I will pass the idea on to our people.
Your country has always promoted a type of "democracy" affine to its interests. So why again? and then the ensuing turmoil?

Even your tankers or whatever will be taken as intervention by people in the area. You love to be hated. Sick.

Again things are not black and white. Because I am opposed to an intervention I have to be pro-Gadaffi, but certainly I would prefer Gadaffi´s thugs to the dirty boots of your marines.
Stop that show pretending you all care about ARabic people. One dead or alive Libyan is just instrumental according to what you want to do with the country. That is so phony to pretend to care, it is better to argue something different.
You are only promoting another invasion (sure building democracy) history repeated over and over again. Keep doing. I hope you join the freedom/democracy fighters one day when this conflict grows more due to your generosity to spread your "democracy."
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