I understand the makeup of democracy in Libya consists mostly of town councils and committees. After all that has happened, assuming the people know it and see it, I'm curious why some blocks of committees remain loyal to Gaddafi?
Conrad73: Maybe ask some Survivors of the Beirut-Bombings or the Debacle in Somalia what it feels like to be caught between a Roch and a Hard Place,then Laugh again!
Somolia was a skirmish that was bungled. We know better now. We should not have left with pee in our pants. Beirut was a failure of security. Americans got a rep of cutting and running. Thanks to crybabies like you.
zeus911: Fresh reports are coming in of pro and anti Gaddafi tribe clashes in Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte. The city, formerly reported as a key Gaddafi stronghold and stronghold would be a strategic win for the rebellious forces.
However, so far all that is reported is inter-tribal fighting sparked by one tribe refusing to support Gaddafi's fighters in Ras Lanuf yesterday. The city, which is home to 135,000 people houses several government ministries.
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Great news. I wondered why Sirte was surrounded by anti-Gaddafi held towns.
Fresh fighting was reported earlier in Az Zawiya, 50km (30 miles) west of Tripoli, after rebels repelled an effort by government forces to retake the key Libyan city.
Government forces were pushed out of the city centre in heavy fighting on Saturday morning, but regrouped for a fresh assault later in the day.
Now I'm hearing reports of 30 to 40 tanks moving towards the town centre and firing towards homes. Deaths and many casualties reported.
ttom500: Serbia just popped up as a arms dealer to Qdaffi's Libya. Seems even under Milosovic....Serbia was selling to Libya. But even more recently, the new Serbia gov't has as well.
To the point were a ex-Serb President recently went to libya and to show support for Qdaffii. Or at least stand in a interview and TV Q and A with him.
The self-proclaimed national council established by Libyan protesters fighting to overthrow Gaddafi declared itself the sole representative of the country.
Meantime, the state television in Libya is reporting that life in the capital Tripoli is normal.
zeus911: The self-proclaimed national council established by Libyan protesters fighting to overthrow Gaddafi declared itself the sole representative of the country.
Meantime, the state television in Libya is reporting that life in the capital Tripoli is normal.
Yep the BBC showed it was pretty calm in Tripoli tonight but the forces from Benghazi had started to move west.
Rebels fighting Gaddafi have retaken control of the port of Ras Lanuf to the east of Tripoli.
The rebels have pushed further west towards Sirte, Col Gaddafi's heavily guarded hometown, and captured the town of Bin Jawad, 160km (100 miles) from Sirte.
Observers say the overall balance of power is difficult to assess as the struggle for control over Libya continues.
zeus911: The self-proclaimed national council established by Libyan protesters fighting to overthrow Gaddafi declared itself the sole representative of the country.
Meantime, the state television in Libya is reporting that life in the capital Tripoli is normal.
Good to see they've organized into a united front. Not exactly easy in a country of many tribes...
I wonder if Tripoli can stand on it's own without the eastern 4/5th of the country?
Paldi5: Good to see they've organized into a united front. Not exactly easy in a country of many tribes...
I wonder if Tripoli can stand on it's own without the eastern 4/5th of the country?
Militarily yes as Gaddafi's forces especially the Khamis Battallion are very well armed and are reknowned as the most elite fighters in the country. However finincially Tripoli depends on the oil producing regions deep in the country and the coastal refineries which is why loyal troops are battling to win back Ras Lanuf and Bregha.
Az Zawiyah is more strategic as it is only around 50km south of Tripoli and therefore a bit too close for comfort.
Sustained gunfire has erupted in the centre of Libya's capital, Tripoli, an area that has so far been relatively free of violence.
It was unclear who was carrying out the shooting, which started at about 5:45am (0345 GMT) this morning.
Sources from Al Jazeera quote witnesses as hearing automatic weapon rounds, some of heavy calibre, echoing around central Tripoli along with pro-government chants, whistling and a cacophony of car horns as vehicles sped through the vicinity.
However, a government spokesman denied any fighting was under way in Tripoli. "I assure you, I assure you, I assure you, I assure you, there is no fighting going on in Tripoli," Mussa Ibrahim told the Reuters.
"Everything is safe. Tripoli is 100 per cent under control. What you are hearing is celebratory fireworks. People are in the streets, dancing in the square."
What is happening in Libya depends on who you believe:
Apparently in the capital, Tripoli, they believe Gaddafi's forces have taken back control of the towns of Az-Zawiyah and Misrata from the rebels.
Elsewhere, rebel sources state otherwise.
In Tripoli, people believe celebrations are under way for yesterday's pro-Gaddafi victories in Az Zawiyah and Misurata.
Mohammed Ali, a member of the civil committee for Misurata affairs, says that they are firmly in control of the city and are prepared for any attack by Gaddafi's forces.
Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, reporting from Tripoli, reports seeing pro-Gaddafi forces on foot and in their vehicles, chanting in celebration yet she says, gunfire has been going on for 3 hours now and saw police cars taking off from near hotel.
The paper claims the SAS soldiers were taken to Benghazi, the rebel stronghold, where they are being interrogated. this latter news does not seem to make sense as why would the rebel faction capture British soldiers? Then again, anything is possible...
The full statement from the MoD read: "We neither confirm nor deny the story and we do not comment on the special forces."
Meantime Libyan state TV has show footage of the Dutch navy helicopter and the crew members, who where captured while attempting to evacuate two foreign citizens.
The TV showed the three-strong crew, their Lynx helicopter and weapons, saying they had entered Libyan air space "in breach of international law".
Reports coming from Greece state that at least 3 people died and 28 others hospitalized amongst Bangladeshi evacuated from Libya on the southern island of Crete.
The dead and injured were found on a beach near two ships with a total of about 2,000 evacuees recently arrived from Libya. Authorities were checking whether the 31 men, mainly from Bangladesh had jumped overboard, possibly in an attempt to avoid being transferred home.
Forces loyal to Gaddafi are reported to have have counter-attacked Bin Jawad. The town which rebel forces claimed yesterday apparently came under heavy attack this morning.
AFP quotes medics in Bin Jawad as saying the clashes there have wounded at least 11, including a French photographer.
Reuters say rebels have reportedly been attacked by pro-Gaddafi forces: "One fighter, returning wounded from the frontline town, said the Gaddafi loyalists had attacked with machineguns and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). Asked what he had seen, he replied: 'Death.' Distraught, he would not say any more."
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