Libya - Latest Updates Part II (937)
AFP reports a Misurata Hospital Doctor declaring the result of yesterday's shelling on residential area of the city as 21 people dead, including a child, and dozens of others wounded.
In the meantime, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen warns from Brussels that "Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to 'crimes against humanity', making it diifficult for the world to stand 'idly by'".
In the meantime, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen warns from Brussels that "Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to 'crimes against humanity', making it diifficult for the world to stand 'idly by'".
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Colleene1024: Seeing Cairo reminds me of all that happened in Egypt. Now the refugees are going there for help. I haven't checked on Egypt in a while. I guess things are going well now. I think it is wonderful! They got their country under control now they are helping others.
Hi Colleene, I do not think the Egyptian refugees from Lybia are going back home to help others. They only want to stay alive.
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zeus911: AFP reports a Misurata Hospital Doctor declaring the result of yesterday's shelling on residential area of the city as 21 people dead, including a child, and dozens of others wounded.
In the meantime, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen warns from Brussels that "Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to 'crimes against humanity', making it diifficult for the world to stand 'idly by'".
In the meantime, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen warns from Brussels that "Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to 'crimes against humanity', making it diifficult for the world to stand 'idly by'".
Any day now, any day... sad to say.
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I've just returned from the harbor as I was expecting the return of the Royal Navy Frigate "HMS Cumberland" and I found it had already docked earlier in the afternoon. Presumably aboard are the British diplomat and the team of special troops detained in Benghazi due to what British authorities are describing as the result of a "serious misunderstanding".
Also in harbor was the Greek ferry "Express Santorini" which has returned to the island with more evacuees.
As of late, local media are no longer reporting movements of any naval vessels until days later so I have to rely on my own sources and intuition to keep track of what's happening.
Also in harbor was the Greek ferry "Express Santorini" which has returned to the island with more evacuees.
As of late, local media are no longer reporting movements of any naval vessels until days later so I have to rely on my own sources and intuition to keep track of what's happening.
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Slightly different slant on things.
Libyan TV has highlighted what it said were remarks made by South African President Jacob Zuma in a phone conversation with Col Gaddafi, BBC Monitoring reports. It quoted Mr Zuma as calling on the African Union to "take decisive action and uncover the conspiracy that Libyan is facing". It also quoted him as "stressing the need not to depend on tendentious reports circulated by foreign media outlets" and the need to listen to the Libyan media in this regard.
Libyan TV has highlighted what it said were remarks made by South African President Jacob Zuma in a phone conversation with Col Gaddafi, BBC Monitoring reports. It quoted Mr Zuma as calling on the African Union to "take decisive action and uncover the conspiracy that Libyan is facing". It also quoted him as "stressing the need not to depend on tendentious reports circulated by foreign media outlets" and the need to listen to the Libyan media in this regard.
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has reiterated his position against the creation of a no-fly zone over Libya.
Lavrov described the idea of imposing limits on Libyan air space as "superfluous" and said world powers must instead focus on fully using the sanctions the UN Security Council approved over the weekend. Russia has the power to veto any UN Security Council resolution to that effect.
It is my opinion that while the idea of a no-fly zone is being put forward as a possible solution to this crisis, there is no real proof that it would in fact change the course of events. So far aircraft have proven rather ineffective in hitting on rebel forces often causing minor damage and seem more like a deterrent than anything else.
With minimal air-cover, pro-Gaddafi fighters are retaining their ground and have even managed humble successes in driving rebels back out of Bin Jawad.
More importantly, the implication of establishing such a no-fly zone carries with it pre-emptive strikes on Libya's defences, anti-aircraft missile depots and airfields. In view of fluctuating land gains by both sides and looking back at past events, mistakes will be made and attacks could very likely end up on the wrong side of the conflict. Worse still blunders which would be quickly denied officially would possibly endanger more civilian lives.
Lavrov described the idea of imposing limits on Libyan air space as "superfluous" and said world powers must instead focus on fully using the sanctions the UN Security Council approved over the weekend. Russia has the power to veto any UN Security Council resolution to that effect.
It is my opinion that while the idea of a no-fly zone is being put forward as a possible solution to this crisis, there is no real proof that it would in fact change the course of events. So far aircraft have proven rather ineffective in hitting on rebel forces often causing minor damage and seem more like a deterrent than anything else.
With minimal air-cover, pro-Gaddafi fighters are retaining their ground and have even managed humble successes in driving rebels back out of Bin Jawad.
More importantly, the implication of establishing such a no-fly zone carries with it pre-emptive strikes on Libya's defences, anti-aircraft missile depots and airfields. In view of fluctuating land gains by both sides and looking back at past events, mistakes will be made and attacks could very likely end up on the wrong side of the conflict. Worse still blunders which would be quickly denied officially would possibly endanger more civilian lives.
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zeus911: Yes, unfortunately that is always a possibility and Malta being a close neighbor is uneasy about such an eventuality. But following a tight dictatorship for over 40 years I would think Libyan people would be looking for more freedoms and hopefully resist extremist factions.
You never know........look what happened in Iran..people chose fanatic regime over the Shah's moderate regime..(maybe corrupt, but the people were more sensitive about his ties with Britain and Western countries)..and situation is worst then ever and the corruption is still a problem over there, besides many other serious issues.
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Albertaghost: Last time Islam came for coffee they made it all the way iinto France. All without help.
This time they have lots of people already there, some of them ready to pave the way and, various groups already proclaiming that their intent is for Islam to rule the Globe.
Course, nothing to worry about as the secretive New World Order and the joos will take over first.
This time they have lots of people already there, some of them ready to pave the way and, various groups already proclaiming that their intent is for Islam to rule the Globe.
Course, nothing to worry about as the secretive New World Order and the joos will take over first.
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The kids enjoyed it very much as the wind was right for their kites,and had lunch with friends,having the usual" Kathara Deftera" fasting food.And the hill behind Akropolis called "Phillopapou" am sure were a lot of kites flying this special day.
zeus911: You're right Chris, it's their country and their destiny, just that being their next door neighbor we can't help worry about it.
Anyhow, are you enjoying your 'Kathara Deftera'? I have fond memories of Easter times in Athens and the flying of kites on the hill behind the Akropoli!
Anyhow, are you enjoying your 'Kathara Deftera'? I have fond memories of Easter times in Athens and the flying of kites on the hill behind the Akropoli!
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chris27292729: The kids enjoyed it very much as the wind was right for their kites,and had lunch with friends,having the usual" Kathara Deftera" fasting food.And the hill behind Akropolis called "Phillopapou" am sure were a lot of kites flying this special day.
That's nice Chris! I recall the all those kites on the "Phillopapou" hill and all the lovely traditions of the Greek Easter. I had worked in Athens for some years and I have some nice memories of your country and all your beautiful islands!!
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Reuters reports that the Gulf states called for a no-fly zone to be imposed in Libya, and for an urgent Arab League meeting to discuss the situation in the North African country, according to a statement released by their foreign ministers.
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US says it is considering whether to arm the Libyan opposition, but would be "premature" to do so now.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said US officials were seeking to learn as much as they could about Libyan opposition groups, but that offering weapons to opponents of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was only one option on the table.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said US officials were seeking to learn as much as they could about Libyan opposition groups, but that offering weapons to opponents of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was only one option on the table.
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Some rumours are arising about Gaddafi having made an offer to the rebel council where apparently one formula being proposed would see Gaddafi hand power to the head of parliament and leave the country with a certain guaranteed sum of money.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
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Well we can hope and pray, I just don't c it either...Why should he, when he basically has scared everyone straight, and is gaining back control....
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zeus911: Some rumours are arising about Gaddafi having made an offer to the rebel council where apparently one formula being proposed would see Gaddafi hand power to the head of parliament and leave the country with a certain guaranteed sum of money.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
I think perhaps Gadaffi fears the US and others will take matters in hand soon - and is playing us for time while he consolidates his recent gains.
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zeus911: Some rumours are arising about Gaddafi having made an offer to the rebel council where apparently one formula being proposed would see Gaddafi hand power to the head of parliament and leave the country with a certain guaranteed sum of money.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
However a spokesman for the council told Reuters: "No such offer has been been put to the council as far as I am aware."
To be honest it does seem rather far fetched that Gaddafi would be making such an offer when the day has proven that his forces are still much in control towards the west and advancing towards Tripoli is proving tougher than envisaged.
More likely the USA has made Gadhafi a deal with money and safe passage - to relieve us of out gas-pump prices...
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jvaski: More likely the USA has made Gadhafi a deal with money and safe passage - to relieve us of out gas-pump prices...
When did u get so cynical Jvaski???? U were my hope for mankind...and now ur sounding like the rest of the peeps...sighhh
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Leaders prepare UN resolution authorizing Libya no-fly zone
By REUTERS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/07/2011 23:52
Britain, France working with US, Germany on draft that would be submitted to Security Council if certain "triggers" for action were met; Obama says NATO considering taking military action in Libya. Britain and France are preparing a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a no-fly zone over Libya, and diplomats said on Monday it will be tough but not impossible to get Russia and China's support.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said in London that Britain was working with other countries on a draft. Diplomats in Paris and New York said the work was being done by Britain and France in close consultation with the United States and Germany.
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Hague told the British parliament there were "credible reports" that Libyan government forces had used helicopter gunships against civilians as supporters of Muammar Gaddafi try to put down a revolt against his 41-year rule.
Diplomats said a decision by France and Britain to submit a draft resolution to the 15-nation council would depend on whether certain "triggers" for action were met. These, they said, could include a marked deterioration of the humanitarian situation or mass aerial bombardments of civilian areas.
"We just want to be ready should the decision to launch negotiations on such a (no-fly zone) resolution be made so that we can make as rapid progress as possible," a diplomat said.
Some envoys said the NATO alliance could be charged with enforcing the zone. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that the alliance would only do so if the UN Security Council authorized it.
The U.S. envoy to NATO Ivo Daalder said on Monday that the alliance has launched 24-hour aerial surveillance of Libya. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made clear enforcing a no-fly zone would amount to military intervention.
US President Barack Obama on Monday said that NATO is considering taking military action in Libya, USA Today reported.
Speaking after a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the White House, Obama said that NATO was meeting in Brussels and consulting "around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya."
Obama stated that he had authorized millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for the Libyan people who he said are facing "unacceptable violence from the regime of leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The US president warned that Gaddafi and his supporters would be held responsible for the violence being perpetrated in Libya.
Earlier on Monday, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautioned that any foreign military intervention in the crisis in Libya would require international backing.
"I think we will have to monitor the situation very closely," Gates, on a visit to Afghanistan, said when asked about the possibility of an international military response in Libya.
"But I think at this point there is a sense that any action should be the result of international sanction," he told a news conference.
The comments came as government forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi struck at rebels in the east and concern mounted over civilian suffering and a growing exodus of refugees.
By REUTERS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/07/2011 23:52
Britain, France working with US, Germany on draft that would be submitted to Security Council if certain "triggers" for action were met; Obama says NATO considering taking military action in Libya. Britain and France are preparing a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a no-fly zone over Libya, and diplomats said on Monday it will be tough but not impossible to get Russia and China's support.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said in London that Britain was working with other countries on a draft. Diplomats in Paris and New York said the work was being done by Britain and France in close consultation with the United States and Germany.
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Hague told the British parliament there were "credible reports" that Libyan government forces had used helicopter gunships against civilians as supporters of Muammar Gaddafi try to put down a revolt against his 41-year rule.
Diplomats said a decision by France and Britain to submit a draft resolution to the 15-nation council would depend on whether certain "triggers" for action were met. These, they said, could include a marked deterioration of the humanitarian situation or mass aerial bombardments of civilian areas.
"We just want to be ready should the decision to launch negotiations on such a (no-fly zone) resolution be made so that we can make as rapid progress as possible," a diplomat said.
Some envoys said the NATO alliance could be charged with enforcing the zone. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that the alliance would only do so if the UN Security Council authorized it.
The U.S. envoy to NATO Ivo Daalder said on Monday that the alliance has launched 24-hour aerial surveillance of Libya. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made clear enforcing a no-fly zone would amount to military intervention.
US President Barack Obama on Monday said that NATO is considering taking military action in Libya, USA Today reported.
Speaking after a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the White House, Obama said that NATO was meeting in Brussels and consulting "around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya."
Obama stated that he had authorized millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for the Libyan people who he said are facing "unacceptable violence from the regime of leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The US president warned that Gaddafi and his supporters would be held responsible for the violence being perpetrated in Libya.
Earlier on Monday, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautioned that any foreign military intervention in the crisis in Libya would require international backing.
"I think we will have to monitor the situation very closely," Gates, on a visit to Afghanistan, said when asked about the possibility of an international military response in Libya.
"But I think at this point there is a sense that any action should be the result of international sanction," he told a news conference.
The comments came as government forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi struck at rebels in the east and concern mounted over civilian suffering and a growing exodus of refugees.
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Paldi5: Leaders prepare UN resolution authorizing Libya no-fly zone
By REUTERS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/07/2011 23:52 Britain, France working with US, Germany on draft that would be submitted to Security Council if certain "triggers" for action were met; Obama says NATO considering taking military action in Libya. Britain and France are preparing a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a no-fly zone over Libya, and diplomats said on Monday it will be tough but not impossible to get Russia and China's support.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said in London that Britain was working with other countries on a draft. Diplomats in Paris and New York said the work was being done by Britain and France in close consultation with the United States and Germany.
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UN says over a million Libyans will need humanitarian aid
Hague told the British parliament there were "credible reports" that Libyan government forces had used helicopter gunships against civilians as supporters of Muammar Gaddafi try to put down a revolt against his 41-year rule.
Diplomats said a decision by France and Britain to submit a draft resolution to the 15-nation council would depend on whether certain "triggers" for action were met. These, they said, could include a marked deterioration of the humanitarian situation or mass aerial bombardments of civilian areas.
"We just want to be ready should the decision to launch negotiations on such a (no-fly zone) resolution be made so that we can make as rapid progress as possible," a diplomat said.
Some envoys said the NATO alliance could be charged with enforcing the zone. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that the alliance would only do so if the UN Security Council authorized it.
The U.S. envoy to NATO Ivo Daalder said on Monday that the alliance has launched 24-hour aerial surveillance of Libya. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made clear enforcing a no-fly zone would amount to military intervention.
US President Barack Obama on Monday said that NATO is considering taking military action in Libya, USA Today reported.
Speaking after a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the White House, Obama said that NATO was meeting in Brussels and consulting "around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya."
Obama stated that he had authorized millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for the Libyan people who he said are facing "unacceptable violence from the regime of leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The US president warned that Gaddafi and his supporters would be held responsible for the violence being perpetrated in Libya.
Earlier on Monday, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautioned that any foreign military intervention in the crisis in Libya would require international backing.
"I think we will have to monitor the situation very closely," Gates, on a visit to Afghanistan, said when asked about the possibility of an international military response in Libya.
"But I think at this point there is a sense that any action should be the result of international sanction," he told a news conference.
The comments came as government forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi struck at rebels in the east and concern mounted over civilian suffering and a growing exodus of refugees.
By REUTERS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
03/07/2011 23:52 Britain, France working with US, Germany on draft that would be submitted to Security Council if certain "triggers" for action were met; Obama says NATO considering taking military action in Libya. Britain and France are preparing a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a no-fly zone over Libya, and diplomats said on Monday it will be tough but not impossible to get Russia and China's support.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said in London that Britain was working with other countries on a draft. Diplomats in Paris and New York said the work was being done by Britain and France in close consultation with the United States and Germany.
RELATED:
'Strikes on Libya rebels like Israel's crackdown on Gaza'
UN says over a million Libyans will need humanitarian aid
Hague told the British parliament there were "credible reports" that Libyan government forces had used helicopter gunships against civilians as supporters of Muammar Gaddafi try to put down a revolt against his 41-year rule.
Diplomats said a decision by France and Britain to submit a draft resolution to the 15-nation council would depend on whether certain "triggers" for action were met. These, they said, could include a marked deterioration of the humanitarian situation or mass aerial bombardments of civilian areas.
"We just want to be ready should the decision to launch negotiations on such a (no-fly zone) resolution be made so that we can make as rapid progress as possible," a diplomat said.
Some envoys said the NATO alliance could be charged with enforcing the zone. NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that the alliance would only do so if the UN Security Council authorized it.
The U.S. envoy to NATO Ivo Daalder said on Monday that the alliance has launched 24-hour aerial surveillance of Libya. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made clear enforcing a no-fly zone would amount to military intervention.
US President Barack Obama on Monday said that NATO is considering taking military action in Libya, USA Today reported.
Speaking after a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard at the White House, Obama said that NATO was meeting in Brussels and consulting "around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya."
Obama stated that he had authorized millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for the Libyan people who he said are facing "unacceptable violence from the regime of leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The US president warned that Gaddafi and his supporters would be held responsible for the violence being perpetrated in Libya.
Earlier on Monday, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates cautioned that any foreign military intervention in the crisis in Libya would require international backing.
"I think we will have to monitor the situation very closely," Gates, on a visit to Afghanistan, said when asked about the possibility of an international military response in Libya.
"But I think at this point there is a sense that any action should be the result of international sanction," he told a news conference.
The comments came as government forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi struck at rebels in the east and concern mounted over civilian suffering and a growing exodus of refugees.
Read that about 3 hours ago. Good article. was on yahoo world news.
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Seeing Cairo reminds me of all that happened in Egypt. Now the refugees are going there for help. I haven't checked on Egypt in a while. I guess things are going well now. I think it is wonderful! They got their country under control now they are helping others.