THREAD IN SUPPORT OF ISRAEL (677)
patmac: You asked who gave the Legitimacy to Israel well it was THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS and the Balfour declaration that did all that,and sadly it was all amended due to the Arab aid to the Allies in WW1 they got rewarded for their efforts. Mind you, the major players also wanted to control the guess what???
OIL....Another factor......Of course Israel has unlike Iraq No OIL....But the Brits, French and of course in the Background the USA made sure their interests were covered....But it all boils down to the fact the Arabs will not accept Israel in any way unlike the Israeli's who did accept a much less advantageous settlement in 1948. One the Arabs went to war over ???? Now who was the aggressor???
Funnily the ones who gained the most from the new deal....And guess what it has gone on since then.
And yet you try to blame the folk who accepted less, and signed the treaty.....Logical thinking on your behalf
No way....Try getting your facts right
OIL....Another factor......Of course Israel has unlike Iraq No OIL....But the Brits, French and of course in the Background the USA made sure their interests were covered....But it all boils down to the fact the Arabs will not accept Israel in any way unlike the Israeli's who did accept a much less advantageous settlement in 1948. One the Arabs went to war over ???? Now who was the aggressor???
Funnily the ones who gained the most from the new deal....And guess what it has gone on since then.
And yet you try to blame the folk who accepted less, and signed the treaty.....Logical thinking on your behalf
No way....Try getting your facts right
I did not understand well. In another poll I already wrote that, since the basis that a have recognized the "right of return" as a fundamental principle and therefore timeless, Jews were entitled to return with or without anyone's permission to Israel. And also to exercise the "Right of Resistance" (also defined by UN) against the illegal British occupation.
The Jews had the right to exercise that strength against the "Palestinians" or "Arabs" who tried to prevent his return, but also to expel them because it is their country of origin. The U.N. does not limit the concept of "country of origin," no matter what anyone may originate from three generations before or since 3,000 years earlier.
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Hopefully we are about to get a new poster to this forum who has just notified me that the land belongs to no-one. Can't wait for this one!!!
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chris27292729: Isn't true your so called historical land was occupied and belonged to others for 2000 years Yes or NO.- More intelligent,didn't know,whats your level of intelligence???
Chris the parallel of the rulers of Israel and the folk who ran Cyprus for the last 2,000 years or so is amazing and yet you fly in all your buildings in the south the flag of Greece???? By your own argument this historic land was occupied by so many folk ???And yet the folk of Cyprus claimed to be Greek....Ignoring of course the Turks for how long until 74 ......
Just using the same argument that you are trying to push.....
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS and that makes the difference....Israel was a sovereign state ruled by Jewish royal families for how long???
Also many many Jews lived and owned and worked the land all the time through ALL INVASIONS and as you yourself stated OCCUPIERS....Using your point, then you clearly admit all the rest were OCCUPIERS not ever sovereign rulers...
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More rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli civilian areas:
Rocket Fire Continues on Southern Israel During Terrorist Truce
Southern Israel came under rocket fire once again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Published: 23/08/11, 12:55 AM
Southern Israeli cities came under rocket fire again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Residents in the coastal city of Ashkelon found themselves racing for cover several times throughout the night Monday as the Color Red air raid siren blared its warning, starting in the early evening.
Two medium-range Grad Katyusha missiles, fired by terrorists in northern Gaza, exploded in the Hof Ashkelon Regional Council district at around 7:40 p.m. local time. Both landed in open areas, although one set off a large brush fire in a field that quickly ignited due to the dry summer heat.
A third rocket attack was launched at about 10:00 p.m. The missile landed in an open area in the Ashkelon Regional Council district. Another one followed about two hours later, right around midnight, also in the area of the coastal city. The Color Red air raid siren blared a warning alert each time.
No damage or physical injuries were reported.
However, the necessity of racing for shelter late at night creates an especially difficult time for families with children or other relatives who are elderly or unwell, noted Hana Levi Julian, LCSW-R, a behavioral psychotherapist. "This comes not only due to the nocturnal disruption in the body's circadian rhythm but also due to the sudden spike in adrenalin that results from the body's response to the alert siren. The cumulative effect of such stimuli are especially damaging to children, whose bodies and minds are in the formative stages of life," she commented.
Earlier in the day, a rocket struck an empty building in the Eshkol Regional Council district as well. No physical injuries were reported in any of the attacks.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) terrorist group had announced earlier Monday in a statement on its website that it would adhere to a Hamas-led ceasefire. However, more than a dozen rockets were fired Sunday night after the so-called truce was imposed.
No Gaza-based group took responsibility for the attacks.
A deadly Grad Katyusha missile barrage on Be'er Sheva Saturday evening left a 38-year-old man dead and eight others seriously wounded. Ofakim was also targeted, as were numerous other southern Israeli cities and communities. Nearly 40 people were hospitalized due to severe anxiety.
Rocket Fire Continues on Southern Israel During Terrorist Truce
Southern Israel came under rocket fire once again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Published: 23/08/11, 12:55 AM
Southern Israeli cities came under rocket fire again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Residents in the coastal city of Ashkelon found themselves racing for cover several times throughout the night Monday as the Color Red air raid siren blared its warning, starting in the early evening.
Two medium-range Grad Katyusha missiles, fired by terrorists in northern Gaza, exploded in the Hof Ashkelon Regional Council district at around 7:40 p.m. local time. Both landed in open areas, although one set off a large brush fire in a field that quickly ignited due to the dry summer heat.
A third rocket attack was launched at about 10:00 p.m. The missile landed in an open area in the Ashkelon Regional Council district. Another one followed about two hours later, right around midnight, also in the area of the coastal city. The Color Red air raid siren blared a warning alert each time.
No damage or physical injuries were reported.
However, the necessity of racing for shelter late at night creates an especially difficult time for families with children or other relatives who are elderly or unwell, noted Hana Levi Julian, LCSW-R, a behavioral psychotherapist. "This comes not only due to the nocturnal disruption in the body's circadian rhythm but also due to the sudden spike in adrenalin that results from the body's response to the alert siren. The cumulative effect of such stimuli are especially damaging to children, whose bodies and minds are in the formative stages of life," she commented.
Earlier in the day, a rocket struck an empty building in the Eshkol Regional Council district as well. No physical injuries were reported in any of the attacks.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) terrorist group had announced earlier Monday in a statement on its website that it would adhere to a Hamas-led ceasefire. However, more than a dozen rockets were fired Sunday night after the so-called truce was imposed.
No Gaza-based group took responsibility for the attacks.
A deadly Grad Katyusha missile barrage on Be'er Sheva Saturday evening left a 38-year-old man dead and eight others seriously wounded. Ofakim was also targeted, as were numerous other southern Israeli cities and communities. Nearly 40 people were hospitalized due to severe anxiety.
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Wow_Factor: More rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli civilian areas:Rocket Fire Continues on Southern Israel During Terrorist Truce
Southern Israel came under rocket fire once again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Published: 23/08/11, 12:55 AM
Southern Israeli cities came under rocket fire again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Residents in the coastal city of Ashkelon found themselves racing for cover several times throughout the night Monday as the Color Red air raid siren blared its warning, starting in the early evening.
Two medium-range Grad Katyusha missiles, fired by terrorists in northern Gaza, exploded in the Hof Ashkelon Regional Council district at around 7:40 p.m. local time. Both landed in open areas, although one set off a large brush fire in a field that quickly ignited due to the dry summer heat.
A third rocket attack was launched at about 10:00 p.m. The missile landed in an open area in the Ashkelon Regional Council district. Another one followed about two hours later, right around midnight, also in the area of the coastal city. The Color Red air raid siren blared a warning alert each time.
No damage or physical injuries were reported.
However, the necessity of racing for shelter late at night creates an especially difficult time for families with children or other relatives who are elderly or unwell, noted Hana Levi Julian, LCSW-R, a behavioral psychotherapist. "This comes not only due to the nocturnal disruption in the body's circadian rhythm but also due to the sudden spike in adrenalin that results from the body's response to the alert siren. The cumulative effect of such stimuli are especially damaging to children, whose bodies and minds are in the formative stages of life," she commented.
Earlier in the day, a rocket struck an empty building in the Eshkol Regional Council district as well. No physical injuries were reported in any of the attacks.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) terrorist group had announced earlier Monday in a statement on its website that it would adhere to a Hamas-led ceasefire. However, more than a dozen rockets were fired Sunday night after the so-called truce was imposed.
No Gaza-based group took responsibility for the attacks.
A deadly Grad Katyusha missile barrage on Be'er Sheva Saturday evening left a 38-year-old man dead and eight others seriously wounded. Ofakim was also targeted, as were numerous other southern Israeli cities and communities. Nearly 40 people were hospitalized due to severe anxiety.
Southern Israel came under rocket fire once again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Published: 23/08/11, 12:55 AM
Southern Israeli cities came under rocket fire again for a fifth night despite claims by Gaza terrorists they were committed to a “ceasefire.”
Residents in the coastal city of Ashkelon found themselves racing for cover several times throughout the night Monday as the Color Red air raid siren blared its warning, starting in the early evening.
Two medium-range Grad Katyusha missiles, fired by terrorists in northern Gaza, exploded in the Hof Ashkelon Regional Council district at around 7:40 p.m. local time. Both landed in open areas, although one set off a large brush fire in a field that quickly ignited due to the dry summer heat.
A third rocket attack was launched at about 10:00 p.m. The missile landed in an open area in the Ashkelon Regional Council district. Another one followed about two hours later, right around midnight, also in the area of the coastal city. The Color Red air raid siren blared a warning alert each time.
No damage or physical injuries were reported.
However, the necessity of racing for shelter late at night creates an especially difficult time for families with children or other relatives who are elderly or unwell, noted Hana Levi Julian, LCSW-R, a behavioral psychotherapist. "This comes not only due to the nocturnal disruption in the body's circadian rhythm but also due to the sudden spike in adrenalin that results from the body's response to the alert siren. The cumulative effect of such stimuli are especially damaging to children, whose bodies and minds are in the formative stages of life," she commented.
Earlier in the day, a rocket struck an empty building in the Eshkol Regional Council district as well. No physical injuries were reported in any of the attacks.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) terrorist group had announced earlier Monday in a statement on its website that it would adhere to a Hamas-led ceasefire. However, more than a dozen rockets were fired Sunday night after the so-called truce was imposed.
No Gaza-based group took responsibility for the attacks.
A deadly Grad Katyusha missile barrage on Be'er Sheva Saturday evening left a 38-year-old man dead and eight others seriously wounded. Ofakim was also targeted, as were numerous other southern Israeli cities and communities. Nearly 40 people were hospitalized due to severe anxiety.
Just noticed someone voted this post down?????
I wonder why ???
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patmac: Just noticed someone voted this post down?????
I wonder why ???
I wonder why ???
Lol, look how many of my posts have been voted down since the start of this thread.
I don't mind people voting my views down - it is their perogative to do that, but to vote down a thread as sensitive as my last post with people having been injured and killed and the psychoogist quoting about how people are affected - to vote it down is sick to say the least.
Perhaps they would probably vote up a post about Iran nearly being able to have the capability to launch a nuclear bomb.
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patmac: Chris the parallel of the rulers of Israel and the folk who ran Cyprus for the last 2,000 years or so is amazing and yet you fly in all your buildings in the south the flag of Greece???? By your own argument this historic land was occupied by so many folk ???And yet the folk of Cyprus claimed to be Greek....Ignoring of course the Turks for how long until 74 ......
Just using the same argument that you are trying to push.....
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS and that makes the difference....Israel was a sovereign state ruled by Jewish royal families for how long???
Also many many Jews lived and owned and worked the land all the time through ALL INVASIONS and as you yourself stated OCCUPIERS....Using your point, then you clearly admit all the rest were OCCUPIERS not ever sovereign rulers...
Just using the same argument that you are trying to push.....
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS and that makes the difference....Israel was a sovereign state ruled by Jewish royal families for how long???
Also many many Jews lived and owned and worked the land all the time through ALL INVASIONS and as you yourself stated OCCUPIERS....Using your point, then you clearly admit all the rest were OCCUPIERS not ever sovereign rulers...
Of course if there ever were Jews so was their land. But also the land of those inhabitants who converted to Christianity or Islam and those who had immigrated generations ago, and the Jews of the Diaspora.
Sometimes my poor English is misunderstood, first I wanted to say that the right to defend Israel so they can expel their enemies PROVISIONAL the duration of hostilities, but not definitively denying them their right of return nor a non-belligerent civilians.
And the illegal character of what was British Mandate, was only to the extent which denied Jews the right of return. In other aspects it was legal.
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GUZMAN1: Of course if there ever were Jews so was their land. But also the land of those inhabitants who converted to Christianity or Islam and those who had immigrated generations ago, and the Jews of the Diaspora.
Sometimes my poor English is misunderstood, first I wanted to say that the right to defend Israel so they can expel their enemies PROVISIONAL the duration of hostilities, but not definitively denying them their right of return nor a non-belligerent civilians.
And the illegal character of what was British Mandate, was only to the extent which denied Jews the right of return. In other aspects it was legal.
Sometimes my poor English is misunderstood, first I wanted to say that the right to defend Israel so they can expel their enemies PROVISIONAL the duration of hostilities, but not definitively denying them their right of return nor a non-belligerent civilians.
And the illegal character of what was British Mandate, was only to the extent which denied Jews the right of return. In other aspects it was legal.
In 1948 the Jews accepted the treaty. The Arabs who had villages and land in Israel did not accept it. I may add at the advise of the Grand Mullah/Mufti of Jerusalem these folk left their villages and land. They then joined the rest of the Arabs of Jordan, Syria etc. And they attacked the new Israeli state who had welcomed them.
This war gave us the start of the "Palistinian" problem as they lost the lands they left when they attacked Israel. Additionally Jordan,Syria and the rest did not back these folk up and put them in camps and also took land from them....Now the fact that a Palistinian sits in the Israeli parliament and many of them are active in Israeli politics is ignored by so many...
Question folks How many Jews in The Gazza government???
If the Arabs lay down their weapons Israel will talk.
BUT
If Israel lays down their weapons they will not exist....
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patmac:
Question folks How many Jews in The Gazza government???
If the Arabs lay down their weapons Israel will talk.
BUT If Israel lays down their weapons they will not exist....
Question folks How many Jews in The Gazza government???
If the Arabs lay down their weapons Israel will talk.
BUT If Israel lays down their weapons they will not exist....
The Gaza Strip has no legitimate government, and although some countries may recognize it, does not represent its unhabitants. So with such talk is useless and it would appear that it is recognized legitimacy.
The AP is different, has enough legitimacy even to negociate borders or rights of unhabitants in Israel, such as inmigration Conventions, any kind of arrangements, if Israel agree. But must be recognized legitimacy before, and a little territory, as a Fiscal Paradise would be, ha ha.
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patmac: Chris the parallel of the rulers of Israel and the folk who ran Cyprus for the last 2,000 years or so is amazing and yet you fly in all your buildings in the south the flag of Greece???? By your own argument this historic land was occupied by so many folk ???And yet the folk of Cyprus claimed to be Greek....Ignoring of course the Turks for how long until 74 ......
Just using the same argument that you are trying to push.....
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS and that makes the difference....Israel was a sovereign state ruled by Jewish royal families for how long???
Also many many Jews lived and owned and worked the land all the time through ALL INVASIONS and as you yourself stated OCCUPIERS....Using your point, then you clearly admit all the rest were OCCUPIERS not ever sovereign rulers...
The Brits they did the same in Cyprus as in Palestine,or India and Pakistan "divide and rule".Turks settle on Cyprus during the Ottoman Empire. Who fought the Brits for Independence of Cyprus,the Greeks did,not the Turks.Who instigated the Turks of Cyprus not to fight the Brits but the Greeks,because under the Greeks will be loosing their identity and their rights as citizens of Cyprus, The brits did,how many Turks died for Cyprus indipendence,Non. And why all this, you explained it in another post of your,geostrategic policemen for the 2 military bases,and on top of it, sovereign for the UK.And for what reason,just the AngloFrench been kick out of Egypt by Naser and from somewhere,the oil routes had to be safe guarded. And the 2 places were Israel and Cyprus,not only for the oil,but the whole region had to be good boys, and play the game according to prescribing rules by the master.Just using the same argument that you are trying to push.....
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS and that makes the difference....Israel was a sovereign state ruled by Jewish royal families for how long???
Also many many Jews lived and owned and worked the land all the time through ALL INVASIONS and as you yourself stated OCCUPIERS....Using your point, then you clearly admit all the rest were OCCUPIERS not ever sovereign rulers...
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chris27292729: The Brits they did the same in Cyprus as in Palestine,or India and Pakistan "divide and rule".Turks settle on Cyprus during the Ottoman Empire. Who fought the Brits for Independence of Cyprus,the Greeks did,not the Turks.Who instigated the Turks of Cyprus not to fight the Brits but the Greeks,because under the Greeks will be loosing their identity and their rights as citizens of Cyprus, The brits did,how many Turks died for Cyprus indipendence,Non. And why all this, you explained it in another post of your,geostrategic policemen for the 2 military bases,and on top of it, sovereign for the UK.And for what reason,just the AngloFrench been kick out of Egypt by Naser and from somewhere,the oil routes had to be safe guarded. And the 2 places were Israel and Cyprus,not only for the oil,but the whole region had to be good boys, and play the game according to prescribing rules by the master.
And this has what to do with the thread.....Chris you just showed your hate for the British. A thing you show so regularly....I do not intend discussing Cyprus with you as that is a totally different question.
I just used the fact you admitted that the folk who OCCUPIED Israel did not rule it the same as the folk who OCCUPIED Cyprus....Oh and it was the Americans who got the French and British out of Egypt...A mistake that many acknowledge today.....How long was Suez shut????
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In Greece and Turkey in Izmir, for example, a disaster, and the Turks also suffered in other areas.
The method of exchange of populations is advocated by some, there are worse things.
The method of exchange of populations is advocated by some, there are worse things.
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patmac:
Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS
For 2000 years they never had a NATION,they had Jewish communities in diaspora. They lobby in the end of WW1 for a place to create a homeland and they got it,promised by the Brits and in the end,got it.In this land allocated to them,they formed their nation.Israel was and always has been a Jewish nation all the others were as you so clearly state OCCUPIERS
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Wow_Factor:
...ISRAEL IS HERE TO STAY, WON'T GO AWAY...
...ISRAEL IS HERE TO STAY, WON'T GO AWAY...
What a TITANIC statement that is.
Jesus seems to think that Judea will be invaded and destroyed just prior to his return.
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people."
The Zionist state of Israel was created by a violent invasion of Palestine by people who, although atheist themselves, based their claim to the land on a very particular interpretation of a mythical promise by the God they didn't even believe in.
And none of those invaders had ever even been to that area themselves.
It was nothing in the world but a violent land grab.
And such thievery doesn't grant anybody the "right" to live in peace with the people of the land they have invaded and seized.
Peace has to be earned by good will. And in the absence of good will, I'd agree with Jesus that the prospects for peace for the state of Israel are just about zero.
Possession may be 9/10 of the law, but the Zionist invasion itself demonstrates that possession is most often determined by force.
Israel has never really had any genuine force of its own. The Western nations have always underwritten the state both economically and militarily. Israel has received more aid from the US and the west than any other nation on earth. And per capita, the citizens of Israel have received more aid from the US than US citizens have received.
In the past, there was a strategic reason for supporting Israel as a bastion of US/UK influence in the middle east. Preventing the rise of a powerful Pan-Islamic super-state with unlimited petro-wealth. The presence of Israel and all its weapons obligated Arab states to seek super-power protection and opened the door for US bases all over the place.
But now, the US has its bases. And since the globalists control the West, They really don't need an insane nationalist power in the mid-east anymore. The state of Israel is now a dangerous and volatile island of fierce racial-nationalistic extremism just at a time when the West is trying to move towards globalism.
The destructive invasion of Jerusalem foretold by Christ will surely arise out of the already growing conflict between Globalism and Zionism.
Traditionally, the diaspora Jewish cultural has followed a very predictable path. First there is a major migration of Jews into an area.
Then, through a lot of shady financial deals with local rulers, the Jews become disproportionally rich and influential, essentially taking over the rule of the nation by financial means.
Eventually both the inhabitants and the rulers of the land get fed up with the situation and the Jews are driven out to begin the process again.
They can never really live at peace because their basic underlying philosophy is that they have rights that supersede the rights of everybody else.
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chris27292729: For 2000 years they never had a NATION,they had Jewish communities in diaspora. They lobby in the end of WW1 for a place to create a homeland and they got it,promised by the Brits and in the end,got it.In this land allocated to them,they formed their nation.
No doubt about Israel is their land, the question is what happens with others that lived there. They were jews before convert, forced or volunteer, to Christianism before, and Islam after. But it's the same people, or lived there during generations.
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Israel has never really had any genuine force of its own. The Western nations have always underwritten the state both economically and militarily. Israel has received more aid from the US and the west than any other nation on earth. And per capita, the citizens of Israel have received more aid from the US than US citizens have received.
In the past, there was a strategic reason for supporting Israel as a bastion of US/UK influence in the middle east. Preventing the rise of a powerful Pan-Islamic super-state with unlimited petro-wealth. The presence of Israel and all its weapons obligated Arab states to seek super-power protection and opened the door for US bases all over the place.
But now, the US has its bases. And since the globalists control the West, They really don't need an insane nationalist power in the mid-east anymore. The state of Israel is now a dangerous and volatile island of fierce racial-nationalistic extremism just at a time when the West is trying to move towards globalism.
The destructive invasion of Jerusalem foretold by Christ will surely arise out of the already growing conflict between Globalism and Zionism.
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You realize, WOW FACTOR, why explain that the three possible scenarios in the other poll? A religious or ideological alliance is more vulnerable than one based on mutual interest, and yet each partner should be a must.
In the past, there was a strategic reason for supporting Israel as a bastion of US/UK influence in the middle east. Preventing the rise of a powerful Pan-Islamic super-state with unlimited petro-wealth. The presence of Israel and all its weapons obligated Arab states to seek super-power protection and opened the door for US bases all over the place.
But now, the US has its bases. And since the globalists control the West, They really don't need an insane nationalist power in the mid-east anymore. The state of Israel is now a dangerous and volatile island of fierce racial-nationalistic extremism just at a time when the West is trying to move towards globalism.
The destructive invasion of Jerusalem foretold by Christ will surely arise out of the already growing conflict between Globalism and Zionism.
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You realize, WOW FACTOR, why explain that the three possible scenarios in the other poll? A religious or ideological alliance is more vulnerable than one based on mutual interest, and yet each partner should be a must.
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patmac: And this has what to do with the thread.....Chris you just showed your hate for the British. A thing you show so regularly....I do not intend discussing Cyprus with you as that is a totally different question.
I just used the fact you admitted that the folk who OCCUPIED Israel did not rule it the same as the folk who OCCUPIED Cyprus....Oh and it was the Americans who got the French and British out of Egypt...A mistake that many acknowledge today.....How long was Suez shut????
You created the Israel/Cyprus parallel not myself.- Hate for the British people??? you are totally wrong. Hating past British "divide and rule" policies yes.-Thats exactly what it was in 1948 the policy in Palestine "Divide and Rule".I just used the fact you admitted that the folk who OCCUPIED Israel did not rule it the same as the folk who OCCUPIED Cyprus....Oh and it was the Americans who got the French and British out of Egypt...A mistake that many acknowledge today.....How long was Suez shut????
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chris27292729: They lobby in the end of WW1 for a place to create a homeland and they got it, promised by the Brits and in the end, got it. In this land allocated to them,they formed their nation.
Total BS that.
The Balfour Declaration didn't give even one square inch of land to the Zionists.
Britain couldn't give what it didn't own.
The declaration merely said that Britain favored the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
But it also said that nothing at all should be done to infringe upon the rights of the Palestinians.
It was presumed that the Jews would BUY land in Palestine from the Palestinians and create their homeland in that land that they bought.
But that is certainly not what happened.
Instead the Jews formed terror groups and attacked the British driving them out of the territory and then began massacring Palestinians driving them out of the areas the Jews wanted for themselves.
Neither Britain nor the UN ever "alloted" any land whatsoever to the Jews. The UN just drew up a ceasefire plan to stop hostilities. How could the UN give Palestinian land to the invaders? It didn't. It just tried to stop the fighting.
And besides, since that time Israel has invaded, dominated, ethnic-cleansed, and annexed most of the land that, under the UN ceasefire agreement, belongs to the Palestinians.
Where is the Palestinian right to live at peace in their own land with secure borders and the rights of statehood.
Israel is of total bad faith.
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chris27292729: You created the Israel/Cyprus parallel not myself.- Hate for the British people??? you are totally wrong. Hating past British "divide and rule" policies yes.-Thats exactly what it was in 1948 the policy in Palestine "Divide and Rule".
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Tragically it was but of course there is historical and also archeological evidence of Jewish presence in Israel going back thousands of years with the most amazing finds going on right now.
So the fact that it was occupied doesn't make it any less due to the Jews as the occupiers had force of rule and no ties to Israel.
Remember, Judaism is approximately 4000 years old - Islam 1400 years old. Although of course the Koran does not mention Jerusalem at all.
Mohammed made his followers pray towards Mecca rather than towards Jerusalem and even now at the Temple Mount which was holy to the Jews (in fact the holiest site of the Jews), and which was taken over by the muslems, the muslems pray with their backs to the Temple Mount.
It is not as important to them as Mecca is. So while the Jews are forbidden to worship on the Temple Mount (what is built on there is not important - it is what the area means to the Jews), the Muslems not only kick a football or two around on it, have picnics on it and generally not treat the surrounding grounds with respect, the Jews are forbidden to go there.
You cannot know where you are going until you know where you came from.