Wow_FactorOPLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
RayfromUSA: Of course, there are some good, peace loving Jews, even in Israel. But like just about everywhere, they are the minority and powerless to stop the evil majority.
Wow_Factor: Absolutely wrong of them giving up Gaza yes. And wrong being too weak and conciliatory which is why they have no respect.
Maybe guilty concience for being Neocolonialist Who,could ever think colonize a country after WW2,while all the colonial powers were giving up their colonies. Giving up Gaza???In otherwords somebody is giving me a piece of cake but no matter what, one way or the other,am going to have it all.By the way i like using the barf.
Wow_Factor: Absolutely wrong of them giving up Gaza yes. And wrong being too weak and conciliatory which is why they have no respect.
But Gaza was Egyptian territory, not Israeli.
And Israel certainly didn't "give it up". They converted it into the world's largest concentration camp where they keep hundreds of thousands of people in horrible conditions with no rights.
If not for Gaza (which Israel claims not to "own" but over which it exerts total dictatorial military rule) Israel would have been required by international law to care for all the needs of the refugees it created by its ethnic cleansing policy. But by consigning the refugees to Gaza, Israel escapes that requirement.
What a surprise that "the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, with a long line of neocolonialist wars and intelligence activity under his belt should so categorically whitewash Israel's brutal massacre of thousands of Palestinians.
To even suggest that Gaza had any sort of "military capability" is ridiculous. And to claim that they "deliberately positioned these non-existent military forces in Urban areas is nothing short of a bald faced lie. Gaza is the most densely populated piece of real estate on the planet. There is no place there at all that is not urban. The UN was totally right in condemning Israel's wanton and indiscriminate use of such weapons as white phosphorous and powerful explosives in civilian areas.
The US did the same thing in Panama, and it was just as evil. But that doesn't excuse Israel's atrocities.
Wow_Factor: And those damn terrorists will get what's due to them soon enough! They will certainly reap what they have sown with their seeds of the aim to murder the citizens of Israel.
Thank you for your letter. I realy do want Israel to destroy her enemies. They show no mercy to Israel, so Israel should destroy them first I tried to send a letter but your profile is not active.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
RayfromUSA: Your posting it doesn't make it true.
Unarmed Israeli Arabs were gunned down without mercy when they tried (without violence) to keep extremist Jews from invading their most holy site, the dome of the rock, to lay the foundation stone for a new Jewish temple.
And what is the official Israeli policy regarding acts like this Ray?
RayfromUSA: Israeli Arabs have to stifle their protests of course, because they risk being imprisoned or expelled to Gaza. But to say that they have full rights is an exaggeration.
And what is the official Israeli policy regarding this Ray?
RayfromUSA: Just the other day I was reading a letter by David Ben Gurion in which he admitted that the Jews were essentially stealing the land from the indigenous people. He said that it was important to hide this fact from the world because it was essentially the same sort of evil that the Jews themselves had suffered in Germany.
And what is the official Israeli policy regarding this Ray?
Albertaghost: As we know, Jews are from the area that Israel now occupies.
False. You clearly don't know either Bible or secular history.
The People who settled in Canaan were called Israelites, not Jews. To call them Jews would be similar to calling all Germans "English" just because the Angles and Saxons came originally from Germany. There might be some convoluted logic to calling Jews "Israelites". But there is none at all in calling Israelites "Jews".
There was a brief United Kingdom of all 13 tribes that was called "Israel" about 3000 years ago. But it was not "Jewish" by any means, and it lasted only about a century, from the start of Saul's reign to just after the death of Solomon.
Then 3 the 13 tribes split away to form the Kingdom of Judah. Those 3 tribes lived in a small area just west of the Dead Sea. It is those tribes that later became "the Jews". Israel was often at war with the Jews.
Here you see the divided kingdoms of Judah and Israel.
Only the area marked Kingdom of Judah was ever "Jewish". "Israel" was never Jewish.
Even in Christ's time, the only area that was considered "Jewish" was the area just around Jerusalem called Judea.
Although Jesus was born into a Jewish family that happened to live in Nazareth, Galilee itself was not "Jewish" and most Galileans were not "Jews".
Here's a verse to prove that.
Jn 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
RayfromUSA: False. You clearly don't know either Bible or secular history.
I know that Jews came from the area of present day Israel as the Israelite s lived there. You also agree with this and, we both know that Israelites were the ancestors of Jews.
RayfromUSA: The People who settled in Canaan were called Israelites, not Jews. To call them Jews would be similar to calling all Germans "English" just because the Angles and Saxons came originally from Germany.
Came from? You say that like they moved to a home someplace else. And the language analogy is pretty stupid to boot!
""The Israelites were a Hebrew-speaking people of the Ancient Near East who inhabited the Land of Canaan (the modern day Israel, western Jordan, southern Lebanon and Palestinian Territories) during the monarchic period (11th to 7th centuries BCE).""
Unless of course the Jewish language is German!
RayfromUSA: There might be some convoluted logic to calling Jews "Israelites". But there is none at all in calling Israelites "Jews".
You bet. However, without doubt, they are the ancestors of today's Jews. hence, Israel is the homeland of the Jews.
RayfromUSA: Even in Christ's time, the only area that was considered "Jewish" was the area just around Jerusalem called Judea.
Strange, Jesus came from Nazareth which is up by the Syrian border. Oh, and Herod, King of the Jews was given dominion over the area which you say was non Jewish. Hell, they even gave the same right to his son;
""The Romans made Herod's son Herod Archelaus ethnarch of Judea, Samaria, and Idumea (biblical Edom) from 4 BCE to 6 CE, referred to as the tetrarchy of Judea. Herod's other son Herod Antipas was tetrarch of Galilee from 4 BCE – 39 CE. Archelaus was judged incompetent by the Roman emperor Augustus who then combined Samaria, Judea proper and Idumea into Iudaea province under rule of a prefect until 41.""
RayfromUSA: Although Jesus was born into a Jewish family that happened to live in Nazareth, Galilee itself was not "Jewish" and most Galileans were not "Jews".
Here's a verse to prove that.
Jn 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Uh huh.
Here's a wiki quote to disprove your contention;
""In Roman times, the country was divided into Judea, Samaria, and Galilee, which comprised the whole northern section of the country, and was the largest of the three regions. Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great, ruled Galilee as tetrarch.
The Galilee region was presumably the home of Jesus during at least 30 years of his life. The first three Gospels of the New Testament are mainly an account of Jesus' public ministry in this province, particularly in the towns of Nazareth and Capernaum. Galilee is also cited as the place where Jesus cured a blind man.""
""After the Arab caliphate took control of the region in 638, it became part of Jund al-Urrdun (District of Jordan). Its major towns were Tiberias — which was capital of the district—Qadas, Baysan, Acre, Saffuriya and Kabul. The Shia Fatimids conquered the region in the 10th century; a breakaway sect, venerating the Fatimid caliph al-Hakim, formed the Druze religion, centred in and to north of, Galilee. Eastern Galilee, however, retained a Jewish majority for most of its history. During the Crusades, Galilee was organized into the Principality of Galilee, one of the most important Crusader seigneuries.""
What a surprise that "the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, with a long line of neocolonialist wars and intelligence activity under his belt should so categorically whitewash Israel's brutal massacre of thousands of Palestinians.
To even suggest that Gaza had any sort of "military capability" is ridiculous. And to claim that they "deliberately positioned these non-existent military forces in Urban areas is nothing short of a bald faced lie. Gaza is the most densely populated piece of real estate on the planet. There is no place there at all that is not urban. The UN was totally right in condemning Israel's wanton and indiscriminate use of such weapons as white phosphorous and powerful explosives in civilian areas.
The US did the same thing in Panama, and it was just as evil. But that doesn't excuse Israel's atrocities.
Nope,it actually shows your Mindset,the answer you gave! It tells me what Camp you are in,beside the Conspiracy one!
I support israel. Right to exsist? I queston the socalled palestinas right to exist as a nation. Who invented that? Yassir Arafat that smartass. And we idiot naive nowegians gave him the peace price, lol.
Woulden't it be best of israel just took that land by force? Even the arabs living there would get it much better. Never heard of an arab emmigrating from israel to the west bank or gaza. Unless for family reunion.
My father says the borders are described in the bible and i tend to agree with him.
Still though i give this in the hands of God. Cos i believe in non-violence (as dictated by Jesus) and that its up to God to lead he's people, still to this day.
Wow_FactorOPLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
morgenulv: I support israel. Right to exsist? I queston the socalled palestinas right to exist as a nation. Who invented that? Yassir Arafat that smartass. And we idiot naive nowegians gave him the peace price, lol.
Woulden't it be best of israel just took that land by force? Even the arabs living there would get it much better. Never heard of an arab emmigrating from israel to the west bank or gaza. Unless for family reunion.
My father says the borders are described in the bible and i tend to agree with him.
Still though i give this in the hands of God. Cos i believe in non-violence (as dictated by Jesus) and that its up to God to lead he's people, still to this day.
Good post. Yes, arabs in Israel are happier of course than those under Hamas or PA control. Arabs in east Jerusalem are begging Israel not to give the land away as they do not want to come under Palestinian Authority Law. They petitioned the Israeli Government so.
Have a look at Glenn Beck's videos. He is a wonderful man - a true friend of Israel and Israel has a lot of friends who are not Jewish.
There are thankfully some people who speak up for Israel.
Here is a good clip from 2006 which is interesting.
Wow_Factor: Good post. Yes, arabs in Israel are happier of course than those under Hamas or PA control. Arabs in east Jerusalem are begging Israel not to give the land away as they do not want to come under Palestinian Authority Law. They petitioned the Israeli Government so.
Have a look at Glenn Beck's videos. He is a wonderful man - a true friend of Israel and Israel has a lot of friends who are not Jewish.
There are thankfully some people who speak up for Israel.
Here is a good clip from 2006 which is interesting.
This reminds me the happiness of black S, Africans under apartheid.
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Lol, he is just one of the nutjobs around. No Jew takes that lot seriously, not even the religious Jews.