THREAD IN SUPPORT OF ISRAEL ( Archived) (677)

It might be better to tell us which particular post you refer to as your statement is general. If there is a particular clip you feel strongly about please use the quote button of that clip and make a comment on it. Likewise with any comments people have. Then we know what your views are.

I have stated my views in my own words on many posts in this thread. I don't need silly youtube links or wiki inserts to put my point across.

I just find it childish that you in a recent post called people Israel Haters because they disagreed with your opinion. The world is full of diverse people, of many religions and cultures. They won't all agree on stuff. When some one disagrees with your view on what is happening in the Middle East it does not make them a hater of Israel or the Israeli people. And if you can't see that then you are looking at the whole thing very childishly.

My youtube links are educational as a lot of people admit they do not know the facts. Those that twist the facts - well the youtube videos educate them too. Those who choose not to view them but still refute those facts make it obvious. There was support for the Nuke Israel poster. There are also posts saying about land grab and other facts. This is a thread about my support of Israel. People can disagree with my support, but they cannot disagree with history or even the present situation. I go to Israel several times a year. I have all my family there. I know the facts and just wish people would learn facts for themselves. I have had several emails thanking me for posting these clips.

And for a second time please post what you disagree with using the quote button.

The Israeli–Palestinian conflict is the ongoing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. The conflict is wide-ranging, and the term is also used in reference to the earlier phases of the same conflict, between Jewish and Zionist yishuv and the Arab population living in Palestine under Ottoman or British rule. It forms part of the wider Arab–Israeli conflict. The remaining key issues are: mutual recognition, borders, security, water rights, control of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements, Palestinian freedom of movement and legalities concerning refugees. The violence resulting from the conflict has prompted international actions, as well as other security and human rights concerns, both within and between both sides, and internationally. In addition, the violence has curbed expansion of tourism in the region, which is full of historic and religious sites that are of interest to many people around the world.

Many attempts have been made to broker a two-state solution, involving the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside an independent Jewish state or next to the State of Israel (after Israel's establishment in 1948). As recently as 2007, a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, according to a number of polls, prefer the two-state solution over any other solution as a means of resolving the conflict. Moreover, a considerable majority of the Jewish public sees the Palestinians' demand for an independent state as just, and thinks Israel can agree to the establishment of such a state. A majority of Palestinians and Israelis view the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an acceptable location of the hypothetical Palestinian state in a two-state solution. However, there are significant areas of disagreement over the shape of any final agreement and also regarding the level of credibility each side sees in the other in upholding basic commitments.

Within Israeli and Palestinian society, the conflict generates a wide variety of views and opinions. This highlights the deep divisions which exist not only between Israelis and Palestinians, but also within each society.

A hallmark of the conflict has been the level of violence witnessed for virtually its entire duration. Fighting has been conducted by regular armies, paramilitary groups, terror cells and individuals. Casualties have not been restricted to the military, with a large number of fatalities in civilian population on both sides.

There are prominent international actors involved in the conflict. The two parties engaged in direct negotiation are the Israeli government, currently led by Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), currently headed by Mahmoud Abbas. The official negotiations are mediated by an international contingent known as the Quartet on the Middle East (the Quartet) represented by a special envoy that consists of the United States, Russia, the European Union, and the United Nations. The Arab League is another important actor, which has proposed an alternative peace plan. Egypt, a founding member of the Arab League, has historically been a key participant.

Since 2003, the Palestinian side has been fractured by conflict between the two major factions: Fatah, the traditionally dominant party, and its later electoral challenger, Hamas. Following Hamas' seizure of power in the Gaza Strip in June 2007, the territory controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (the Palestinian interim government) is split between Fatah in the West Bank, and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The division of governance between the parties has effectively resulted in the collapse of bipartisan governance of the Palestinian National Authority (PA).

A round of peace negotiations began at Annapolis, Maryland, United States, in November 2007. These talks were aimed at having a final resolution by the end of 2008.

Direct negotiations between the Israeli government and Palestinian leadership began in September of 2010 aimed at reaching an official final status settlement.

I disagree with most of what you say. While I fully agree with Israels right to exist I have huge problems in the way the state was set up. I have huge problems in the way The Palestinian People were displaced without any say in the matter. I have huge problems with illegal settlements. I have huge problems with over aggressive behavour at time by The State of Israel. I also have huge problems with Palestinians launcing rockets into Israel. I have huge problems with the killing of Innocent people by Hamas and Israel. I have huge problems with people introducing laws based on religious scripture. Thats just to start.

My point is that modern Macedonians have as much right to the history of the region as do the Greeks.

I participate in a History forum where the Greek and Macedonian members are continually at each others throats over who has 'claim' to the history of the 'original' Makedon.

What is continually overlooked when the slanging matches start(each claiming the 'correct' ethnicity) is that neither group is ethnically and gentically the same as they were 4th century BC.

The intense hatred in the Balkans is as bad as the M.E.

Hard not to disagree with those things ...right...