God, fact or fiction -The Sequel. (777)
DetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 PostsYou know I agree with you.
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Dont tell Ray .. he might be offended.
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I can handle him.
Seen the size of my enormous muscles?
Seen the size of my enormous muscles?
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First of all, 'backwards-world' man/woman does not mean from a backwards part of the world (I find even the forward parts backward), it is someone who thinks in a backward way and makes the world go backwards in so far as they hang on to outdated dogma and defend those who do. It is an academic term I should not have been so presumptuous as to assume anyone other than me would know.
I respect you, but people appear on this thread who haven't been on here (I have been here since the original thread) and the first thing they do is attack me and defend those who are doing so.
Someone even tried to convert me into a Christian and said they will leave the thread unless I did so. No chance.
YOU may think all the world needs is compassion and humility, I believe it needs law and enforcement of those laws. Period.
I am through with your 'compassion' and 'humility' and what little it can actually accomplish in this world of moral decadence and decline.
Law and enforcement. All religion has really been used for to its credit is precisely THIS. And even Gandhi himself said it.
I respect you, but people appear on this thread who haven't been on here (I have been here since the original thread) and the first thing they do is attack me and defend those who are doing so.
Someone even tried to convert me into a Christian and said they will leave the thread unless I did so. No chance.
YOU may think all the world needs is compassion and humility, I believe it needs law and enforcement of those laws. Period.
I am through with your 'compassion' and 'humility' and what little it can actually accomplish in this world of moral decadence and decline.
Law and enforcement. All religion has really been used for to its credit is precisely THIS. And even Gandhi himself said it.
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Sometimes you have to offend to be effective.
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"Someone even tried to convert me into a Christian and said they will leave the thread unless I did so. No chance."
Ray, the reason the world is in such a state is precisely because there is so little love, compassion and ESPECIALLY humility.
Laws are vital. But they must be tempered by the above qualities, amongst others.
Pure, rigid, enforcement of laws according to what is seen as ethically correct and efficacious, is no different to the religious dogma you so rightly deride!
Ray, the reason the world is in such a state is precisely because there is so little love, compassion and ESPECIALLY humility.
Laws are vital. But they must be tempered by the above qualities, amongst others.
Pure, rigid, enforcement of laws according to what is seen as ethically correct and efficacious, is no different to the religious dogma you so rightly deride!
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hmmm .. OK ..
Well .. i get the people trying to convert you , your belief in reason everything Ray. If you have chosen to ignore what i have posted in all the threads i must say, i have agreed to your methodology but not to insults and putting people down.
" BACKWARDS WORLD " incites the same response as calling someone names based on their color. I hope you would understand.
Besides, its not my nature or habit to go to someone's thread and thrash or attack anyone. I didnt attack you. Its just the sympathy thing that annoyed me when he mentioned about himself. If i had to attack you there were enough instances prior to that on this thread.
"Moral decadence and decline" i cant agree less . Very true. "All religion has really been used for to its credit is precisely THIS" thats the reason people either shun religion or accept it as faith even blindly.
Enforcement seeks retaliation and as per my knowledge retaliation doesnt for one incite any good reasoning.
Well .. i get the people trying to convert you , your belief in reason everything Ray. If you have chosen to ignore what i have posted in all the threads i must say, i have agreed to your methodology but not to insults and putting people down.
" BACKWARDS WORLD " incites the same response as calling someone names based on their color. I hope you would understand.
Besides, its not my nature or habit to go to someone's thread and thrash or attack anyone. I didnt attack you. Its just the sympathy thing that annoyed me when he mentioned about himself. If i had to attack you there were enough instances prior to that on this thread.
"Moral decadence and decline" i cant agree less . Very true. "All religion has really been used for to its credit is precisely THIS" thats the reason people either shun religion or accept it as faith even blindly.
Enforcement seeks retaliation and as per my knowledge retaliation doesnt for one incite any good reasoning.
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But in moderation ray !!! Otherwise the whle purpose is lost ..
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"Ray, the reason the world is in such a state is precisely because there is so little love, compassion and ESPECIALLY humility."
Just a note, this is god. show me any god with compassion, love or humility and I'll show some eutopia where we can all go whack our stumpies in.
Just a note, this is god. show me any god with compassion, love or humility and I'll show some eutopia where we can all go whack our stumpies in.
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As to my knowledge primarily of the eastern faith,
Jainism is a faith based primarily on compassion, faith and humility. " Do on to another what you would like done on to you. "
So is Buddhism.
Jainism is a faith based primarily on compassion, faith and humility. " Do on to another what you would like done on to you. "
So is Buddhism.
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in words yes ... but in practice?
words are cheap my dear, that and a bag of rocks will get you stoned...
either you beleive in god or free will ... if there is a god then you ceratinly beleive he is in some control and surely the hell you see around you his his/her/its doing ... not very loving or compassionate is it?
failing beleif in god you get 'free will' man not being very compassionate etc ...
those words, bibles dogma yada yada were written by men, religions all over write their own, create some bs to show theyre cool with love and god and then head out to kill ...
buddhism ... as well .. while it has some do unto other crap ... just as wicca the original pagan philosophy has ...also the great kiss thy neighbor words, "hrm none" ..yet they are men/women who in a lot of cases make this world one hell of a non compassionate place ... thankyou god if there is one ..words vs practice
words are cheap my dear, that and a bag of rocks will get you stoned...
either you beleive in god or free will ... if there is a god then you ceratinly beleive he is in some control and surely the hell you see around you his his/her/its doing ... not very loving or compassionate is it?
failing beleif in god you get 'free will' man not being very compassionate etc ...
those words, bibles dogma yada yada were written by men, religions all over write their own, create some bs to show theyre cool with love and god and then head out to kill ...
buddhism ... as well .. while it has some do unto other crap ... just as wicca the original pagan philosophy has ...also the great kiss thy neighbor words, "hrm none" ..yet they are men/women who in a lot of cases make this world one hell of a non compassionate place ... thankyou god if there is one ..words vs practice
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So then we can distinguish once and for all between the principles recorded and the people who attempt to live them.
Surely it's illogical to criticize a faith because of idiotic 'adherents'?
Take a look at the writings of those faiths...then tell me they're not honourable!
But some of the people...different matter.
Surely it's illogical to criticize a faith because of idiotic 'adherents'?
Take a look at the writings of those faiths...then tell me they're not honourable!
But some of the people...different matter.
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The part about being punished for your doing by someone is quite strange indeed.
As far as practise is concerned Man is known to cut the branch he sits on time and again in different ways.
The one rleigion to my knowledge which is woven on the Karma philosophy .. reap as you sow .. is Jainism. Lot of pluses i can talk about. But, hitherto a clause of there being one God and one should worship none other is striking. Makes me wonder !!
There is a fine line of reason one treads on. Christianity in depth i am learning , so wouldnt comment , but religion to religion its the same philosophy in a nutshell. Man chooses to follow a principle with his own manipulations in it. So neither the faith remains pure and blind neither does the follower remain in the realms of proposed thought.
As far as practise is concerned Man is known to cut the branch he sits on time and again in different ways.
The one rleigion to my knowledge which is woven on the Karma philosophy .. reap as you sow .. is Jainism. Lot of pluses i can talk about. But, hitherto a clause of there being one God and one should worship none other is striking. Makes me wonder !!
There is a fine line of reason one treads on. Christianity in depth i am learning , so wouldnt comment , but religion to religion its the same philosophy in a nutshell. Man chooses to follow a principle with his own manipulations in it. So neither the faith remains pure and blind neither does the follower remain in the realms of proposed thought.
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agree for the most part.......
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now you bring honor? again an act of man. written by man. one can find honor in 'The Brothers Grimm' and the Thomas Crown Affair' my good friend.
shnoobies!
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Thats by far the logic i have snugly fit myself in to. That most of religion and faith came in to existence in times when there was a need of spiritual and moral control processes to keep people in line.
But, its too good to be true if any of the scriptures ( in numbers that too ) are to be the outcome of a genius human mind.
But, its too good to be true if any of the scriptures ( in numbers that too ) are to be the outcome of a genius human mind.
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I .... ummmm .....think you just spun yourself right back into Ray's waiting hands though...
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Frankly, this is a topic i would like to discuss anytime and if Rays going to enlighten me i would welcome it.
I dont think i know it all neither do i have a problem with people proving themselves and making me wonder. But, its the tone and the language which bothers me. I am sure by now, Ray understands .
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Understood my dear, but ray nor you can be no more or no less than he is now and you are now, only through discussion might things change.
I won't pretend to speak for him but he of the beleif that 'shock' works as are some of the beleif that there is a god. try to change that?
one hopes understanding prevails.
I won't pretend to speak for him but he of the beleif that 'shock' works as are some of the beleif that there is a god. try to change that?
one hopes understanding prevails.
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You're right of course, but it strikes me as perverse that faith in 'God' should be under scrutiny here when it takes just the same sort of 'faith' to believe in the THEORY of evolution, or indeed, anything else!
And by faith, I meen a belief in something not yet beheld...not yet fully understood...not fully explained.
And by faith, I meen a belief in something not yet beheld...not yet fully understood...not fully explained.
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