God, fact or fiction -The Sequel. ( Archived) (777)

Read above Mark...all is well my friend.

Damn it man! Do you know how much I’m trying to tare myself away from this! Take away the 'blind' then . . .

The danger in having faith in what is not yet beheld, not yet fully understood, not yet fully explained . . .

For that is having faith in precisely all those ‘nots’.

UNLESS you mean: ‘faith’ that what is not yet beheld will be beheld, that what is not yet fully understood will be fully understood, that what is not yet fully explained WILL be fully explained?

And, again, your faith is misguided – for NO one may be convinced as such and have faith in such a conviction.

Who's to say that our minds can ever comprehend all this and do away with those 'three nots’

Nevertheless this is the endeavor. It begins with understanding what a Religion IS, and then doing away with what it is NOT.

I am a reasonable man here and seek truth as do all who live beyond a puppet's desires. I understand what you say, but as previously mentioned do not agree with your methodology. Hurtful words are merely a way to extricate from your view the harshness you seek to eliminate. You have every right to post here but to antagonize others is not proper ettiquette here or in RL. You can do much good with your intellect yet seem to get flustered and overly defensive.
Control is not the way to go about this, unless you believe that somehow you can subsume the entirety of the earth's population with your doctrine. Surely you cannot believe this possible. Reach out and invigorate one mind and teach the means to further that goal. Truth is the enemy of the state and as such has indoctrinated all peoples throughout all of time. Unwinding this as a whole will contribute to mass chaos, and leave nothing but that which you desperately do not wish to see. In a platonic ideal this is the means to erradicate the erronious issues plagueing manking but eons of subservience cannot be overcome with such a fell strike.
You are smarter than this and that is why I have chosen to enter into a polemic deliberation with you.
I will do my best to remain civil if we can but have your word that you will do the same for those with opposing beliefs.

Mark

Secondly, Evolution is a FACT.

BUT . . . it does not in anyway have to do away with the existence of God.

I see that you and others have lowered the agression here and I applaud you for your fine works. I am interested in what Ray has to say as long as the slanderous remarks are kept out of it. I am of much the same mind as him and perceive what he is attempting as healthy within the confines of gentlemanly discourse, and would merely like to participate.

Mark

Not true...evolution is in now way a fact!

And on that issue, I am completely confident in going toe to toe with you Ray.

Yes, on this very quarelsome issue, I do hereby deign to oppose you...without th eslightest hint of fear!

I will do my best my man! Point out to me where I am stepping out of line and I will explain/apologize . . .

I have been dealing with less reasonable people in the past and have become one myself in order to deal with their ridiculous refutations.

I cannot promise you that my views will not oppose yours however, but I welcome your argument/refutation of those views – and will rebuke them with my own!

Thats the nicest post Ray !! You definitely should get sleep now.

Its a delight to see opposing views.

I do not seek unanimity nor dichotomy here but genuine discourse to further all of us along our path to enlightenment Ray. I am a person willing to accept the beliefs of others with which to temper my own, as I am not omniscient nor will I ever live long enough to be such. Togehter along with the others participating in this dialog we can ensure growth or hasten growth or kill all possiblility of growth like salting the earth. Let us maintain a commerce of ideals here with brotherly love intent as it means.

Mark

Uh-uh-uh…tut-tut!

Evolution is a FACT and under normal circumstances I would either have to call you out as a fool here or as a man who doesn't understand ‘evolution’ – to whit, positive transmutation.

Do not take the term ‘evolution’ to mean that a fish flopped out of the water, grew arms and turned into everything else . . .

That's 'Evolution Theory' my man!

I mean that the process of transmutation and evolution is a FACT. Things adapt/evolve to survive - and even NOT to.

FACT.

I do not mean the bogus incomplete layman’s theory of 'Evolution' that he got from watching fat-boy Slim’s music video and hearing Charles Darwin’s name in conjunction with some vague notion of a big bang, but that things evolve and have evolved from lower/lesser/different forms to modified forms - AND de-evolved. And still do.

FACT.

I do not mean that 'Evolution Theory' is a FACT.

Evolution (namely the proccess), however, as I said, is a fact.

Evolution and 'Evolution Theory' are not one and the same. I did not say 'Evolution THEORY is a fact'.

How presumptuous that would be!!!

Now where do you want me to provide proofs that things evolve and the proposed influences that cause/can cause them to (as stupid as it will be to do so)?

Me and you seem to have a problem with understanding each others’ terminology.

And so, do not jump too quickly to conclusions without a hint of fearlessness – you might hurt something.

'Evolution is in no way a fact!'

Under normal circumstances, I would have many a laugh at your expense with this one!