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Jan 4, 2009 10:50 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
Soooooooooo tired of religious extremists. F them. It is funny how a religion that is for saving souls is an institution for death. What if there is no God. Who is to stop this. won't it be funny if everyone ends up at the same place after they are gone? hahahahaah
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Jan 4, 2009 10:55 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
JacobGrimm: good stuff Rob hopefully it gets read.



I never knew the true meaning of Zionism until I read up on this stuff..and is not favourable to traditional Jewish people either...but the quick fix to the building of an empire based on religious zealism...at the expense of others and their lives...wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating
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Jan 4, 2009 10:59 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
Doesn't it seem inherently evil that both sides kill each other for OIL? LIVES FOR OIL. What the f*ck??
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Jan 4, 2009 10:59 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
solitare: Posting concerning the possible 'chess-game' moves abstactically is a far cry from someone trying to personalize the issues.
It is no secret here or anywhere in Europe or the US about my past activities in regards to these issues, thanks largely to the various media, be it print and/or television shows in which I have taken part in or have been the subject of attack and vilification and indeed, even some praise by some very well known media outlets. Various 'intelligence' agencies have also their own assessments and opinions of both myself and my family as do some of the infamous agents of some of these agencies. Nothing of which anyone here knows other than what I have posted over the years on these types of threads.
It is no secret that I have supported (and continue to support) many mis- named 'terrorist groups' since the late 60's in many ways, as have other members of my and related families around Europe and the US. That support has taken many forms, from money to being in and on those front lines after training in various armies and camps operated by sympathetic countries. "Been there and done that" as the saying goes. We are all quite proud of the CIA's and FBI's assessment that we are "a nest of vipers" LOL!
Others, be they for or against always seem to have convenient excuses for themselves not to risk full commitment to any cause; they find it far easier to ignorantly challenge those on a personal basis in regards to matters of which they haven't the slightest knowledge let alone any first hand experience;(the drawing-room Marxists, Fascists or New World Order types) they are really beneath contempt all around. Far better a committed adversary than a coward with an excuse to avoid a commitment that risks all.
The very least one of these drawing room/ parlor room cowards could do is to join the Doctors Without Borders , Int. Red Cross or hell, even the Red Crescent in one of the Palestinian refugee camps and get themselves bloody from all the blown-up children...


I do not know who you are other than your CS name as I do not have European TV over here. You say that it is no secret that you have been in the media, on TV shows and have even been assessed by inteligence agencies for your radical views and support of misnamed terrorist groups so you are obviously popular in the public eye. Perhaps you would consider telling what name you go by on the television interviews? Maybe there is a video of you available on the internet somewhere. But if it is in German, well then won't know what it says anyway.
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Jan 4, 2009 10:59 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
you see you dont seem to get the point religion is not about it ,extremists comes out from destitution and religion is just coincidental , no religion on earth ,will give the right to kill religion is about love will you go to school please
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Jan 4, 2009 11:02 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
oil is in Iraq not plistaine (Israel)
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Jan 4, 2009 11:05 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
dinncat: you see you dont seem to get the point religion is not about it ,extremists comes out from destitution and religion is just coincidental , no religion on earth ,will give the right to kill religion is about love will you go to school please


Zionism is the point...not religion and the whole way and reason for the establishment of Israel and the whole reason for the encroachment on the land of the Palastinians...to build a Zionist Jewish only state....that is the major issue behind the conflict and has been since the beginning...So yeah I get it...read the link I posted and so will you....thumbs up
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Jan 4, 2009 11:08 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
teacherman
teachermanteachermanMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA5 Threads 260 Posts
JamesBraginton: Doesn't it seem inherently evil that both sides kill each other for OIL? LIVES FOR OIL. What the f*ck??


Israel has oil? thats a big news scoop you should try selling your BS to CNN
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Jan 4, 2009 11:16 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
What are u stupid old man?? Think about it. Take some geratol and put your leg warmers on. Try to thing what I said,,,u know a + b = C. U Offe.
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Jan 4, 2009 11:18 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
I hear ya Robbie...I can see the whole reason for the conflict clearly...the reasons behind it and OMG...Israel is sooooooooo NOT innocent...but the perpetuators of the whole thing from day one...and they are bulldozing homes in the Gaza strip today the exact same way they bulldozed homes then when taking up the occupation of land that was not theirs to take...for reasons such as people didn't have a permit to build on their own land...It sure looks like Israel defending itself when one fails to read up on the facts...when in fact...they have created the whole stinkin mess themselves....wave wink roll eyes thumbs up
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Jan 4, 2009 11:20 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
Very True.


In response to: its the sixth day , 4oo are killed and over 2000 are injuired, no food , no water , no Petrol , no medication, no electricity, and Israel refuses to stop the raids that are killing innocent people in Gaza , among the international silence . wat do you think ?
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Jan 4, 2009 11:23 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
oh dear god , you are on drugs are you ,you are completely of your head mate (( I hope Israel kills every one of them !!!))you must not be human from witch zoo have you escaped, no religious belief in you or human behavior ,
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Jan 4, 2009 11:25 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
Yah,,really! Watch the red cross send over "do gooders" Most people have no idea what it is like there. How many people have seen somebody cut into,,,not on the web,,,but really there?
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Jan 4, 2009 11:29 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Another exerpt from Jews for Justice link:


Didn’t the Zionists legally buy much of the land before Israel was established?

“In 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6 percent of the land of Palestine...After 1940, when the mandatory authority restricted Jewish land ownership to specific zones inside Palestine, there continued to be illegal buying (and selling) within the 65 percent of the total area restricted to Arabs.

Thus when the partition plan was announced in 1947 it included land held illegally by Jews, which was incorporated as a fait accompli inside the borders of the Jewish state. And after Israel announced its statehood, an impressive series of laws legally assimilated huge tracts of Arab land (whose proprietors had become refugees, and were pronounced ‘absentee landlords’ in order to expropriate their lands and prevent their return under any circumstances).” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”


The UN Partition of Palestine

Why did the UN recommend the plan partitioning Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state?

“By this time [November 1947] the United States had emerged as the most aggressive proponent of partition...The United States got the General Assembly to delay a vote ‘to gain time to bring certain Latin American republics into line with its own views.’...Some delegates charged U.S. officials with ‘diplomatic intimidation.’ Without ‘terrific pressure’ from the United States on ‘governments which cannot afford to risk American reprisals,’ said an anonymous editorial writer, the resolution ‘would never have passed.’” John Quigley, “Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice.”

Why was this Truman’s position?


“I am sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents.” President Harry Truman, quoted in “Anti Zionism”, ed. by Teikener, Abed-Rabbo & Mezvinsky.
Was the partition plan fair to both Arabs and Jews?

“Arab rejection was...based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body — a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”


wine
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Jan 4, 2009 11:30 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
F RELIGION,,, I guess religion is a nice band aid for someone who is one sided. So tired of religious beliefs that make people do evil deeds. Both sides are are to blame. Just take a look of how the jews there resemble the arabs in Gaza,,,and visa versa. Funny it is.
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Jan 4, 2009 11:35 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
sounds good old man,,,,get it on!
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Jan 4, 2009 11:36 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LACali
LACaliLACaliSouthern California, California USA3 Threads 936 Posts
JamesBraginton: F RELIGION,,, I guess religion is a nice band aid for someone who is one sided. So tired of religious beliefs that make people do evil deeds. Both sides are are to blame. Just take a look of how the jews there resemble the arabs in Gaza,,,and visa versa. Funny it is.


I guess that means Jews are Semites and have a claim to the land after all....dunno
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Jan 4, 2009 11:36 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Statehood and Expulsion
1948



What was the Arab reaction to the announcement of the creation of the state of Israel?


“The armies of the Arab states entered the war immediately after the State of Israel was founded in May. Fighting continued, almost all of it within the territory assigned to the Palestinian state...About 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled in the 1948 conflict.” Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”

Was the part of Palestine assigned to a Jewish state in mortal danger from the Arab armies?

“The Arab League hastily called for its member countries to send regular army troops into Palestine. They were ordered to secure only the sections of Palestine given to the Arabs under the partition plan. But these regular armies were ill equipped and lacked any central command to coordinate their efforts...[Jordan’s King Abdullah] promised [the Israelis and the British] that his troops, the Arab Legion, the only real fighting force among the Arab armies, would avoid fighting with Jewish settlements...Yet Western historians record this as the moment when the young state of Israel fought off “the overwhelming hordes’ of five Arab countries. In reality, the Israeli offensive against the Palestinians intensified.” “Our Roots Are Still Alive,” by the Peoples Press Palestine Book Project.
Ethnic cleansing of the Arab population of Palestine

“Joseph Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Land Fund...On December 19, 1940, he wrote: ‘It must be clear that there is no room for both peoples in this country...The Zionist enterprise so far...has been fine and good in its own time, and could do with ‘land buying’ — but this will not bring about the State of Israel; that must come all at once, in the manner of a Salvation (this is the secret of the Messianic idea); and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer them all; except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a single village, not a single tribe’...There were literally hundreds of such statements made by Zionists.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”

Ethnic cleansing — continued


“Following the outbreak of 1936, no mainstream (Zionist) leader was able to conceive of future coexistence without a clear physical separation between the two peoples — achievable only by transfer and expulsion. Publicly they all continued to speak of coexistence and to attribute the violence to a small minority of zealots and agitators. But this was merely a public pose..Ben Gurion summed up: ‘With compulsory transfer we (would) have a vast area (for settlement)...I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it,’” Israel historian, Benny Morris, “Righteous Victims.”

Ethnic cleansing — continued

“Ben-Gurion clearly wanted as few Arabs as possible to remain in the Jewish state. He hoped to see them flee. He said as much to his colleagues and aides in meetings in August, September and October . But no expulsion policy was ever enunciated and Ben-Gurion always refrained from issuing clear or written expulsion orders; he preferred that his generals ‘understand’ what he wanted done. He wished to avoid going down in history as the ‘great expeller’ and he did not want the Israeli government to be implicated in a morally questionable policy...But while there was no ‘expulsion policy’, the July and October offensives were characterized by far more expulsions and, indeed, brutality towards Arab civilians than the first half of the war.” Benny Morris, “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949”


wine Read the facts....thumbs up wine
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Jan 4, 2009 11:39 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JamesBraginton
JamesBragintonJamesBragintonPalm Desert, California USA179 Posts
LACali: I guess that means Jews are Semites and have a claim to the land after all....



True! And by the way, U r cute.
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Jan 4, 2009 11:44 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
um they do have food and they do have water your only listening to one side the side that has been launching rockets at isreali civilians for eight years enough is enough were would anyone be if no wars were ever fought???
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