Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share ! (814)
Prince_Charming_3001, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium3 PostsMy heart with. How they live in this winter with this uncivilied war
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mastic55: The whole world is in piss poor shape.
so come on what we as a collective going to do about changing things, my dear friend if there was not so much MONEY to be made from war it would not happen , our sorrys waste so much time and the wolves [not the dogs]of war will keep it going. until it no one longer makes profit from War it will not end so on this note my heart of hearts goes out to the mothers who have lost their parents, children and husbands and the sons,fathers'grand parents. uncles and aunts The loss of a loved one is not that easy . sorry!!!
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IT IS TIME OF CHANGE.........
Human history has always been a process of growth....marked by the prevalent dominant society partaking to different periods of time.
If we continue bickering on the pasty, and trying to find the culprit for the mess the Middle East is today, we'll carry on doing just that.
Bickering.
Did the Roman Empire commit atrocities.
YES.
Was the Roman Empire corrupt?
YES.
Did the Roman Empire leave anything behind?
OOoooooooooh YES......
Civilization to a chunk of humanity that would not have had access to such development. Without the Roman Empire,it would have been impossible for humanity to make that one step forward.
IT WAS A TIME OF CHANGE.
The number of people on this planet has grow such, that in our country for example, we are facing a relative crisis with the number of boat people coming in from the African shores.
The Italians are having problems a thousand fold bigger.
Our Island is just a piece of rock in the middle of nowhere, already one of the highest population density around.
So what do we do? Send gunboats and blow them up before they can reach our territorial waters?
Is their coming over here creating problems? Oh yes, and how!!
So what do we go? Put them in gas chambers and then burn the bodies?
What do we do?
IT IS THE TIME OF CHANGE.
Is the present 'empire' on this planet committing atrocities?
OOooooooh YES.
Is the 'empire' corrupt?
OOooooooh Yes.
Is the empire doing anything for human civilisation to evolve further?
OOOOOOOOooooooooooh YES.
This very medium we are openely, uncensored, freely, democratically, and globally using to air ALL views on the matter is an American development as is the Internet.
If America did not exist, freedom of expression, technological developments, art, knowledge, all that and more, would have taken an extra two or three centuries to reach the state of the human global community today.
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit.
And the ideology of having one tribe in this overpopulated global world of ours, based on the elimination of another tribe, is simply not acceptable.
We MUST find those area that we all agree on, and together, with all our efforts together, trim the branches.
IT IS A TIME OF CHANGE.
It is the time of The Global Empire.
The planet that sustains our being is changing. The injustices that are occurring in front our eyes are bringing us closer to the brink of blowing ourselves up.
Unless we start to look at what we agree about instead of shouting at each other for our divergences or ideologies, we will not find any solutions.
Change has hopefully come to the US. The man soon in the seat of the most powerful nation of the world has promised it. Similar change has occurred in other Super Powers too.
It is necessary to do so for the future of humanity, because even if we are still divided into different tribes, we are but one and the same....
The Human Race.
And together we can topple the corruption, and solve the problems that face us all in or different sectors of the planet.
It is one planet, and it's all we've got.
IT IS TIME OF CHANGE.
And if we pull together, work together, build together....then....
YES WE CAN.
That is my philosophy on this matter. I have been drained mentally and emotionally by this thread. If what I have written here is not understood, or is disagreeable to others, then tough luck.
This is my last say on the matter.
May whicever God you believe in provide you with the solutions to your problems, and may you be blessed by The Mighty Spirit with peace, and happinnes..
Human history has always been a process of growth....marked by the prevalent dominant society partaking to different periods of time.
If we continue bickering on the pasty, and trying to find the culprit for the mess the Middle East is today, we'll carry on doing just that.
Bickering.
Did the Roman Empire commit atrocities.
YES.
Was the Roman Empire corrupt?
YES.
Did the Roman Empire leave anything behind?
OOoooooooooh YES......
Civilization to a chunk of humanity that would not have had access to such development. Without the Roman Empire,it would have been impossible for humanity to make that one step forward.
IT WAS A TIME OF CHANGE.
The number of people on this planet has grow such, that in our country for example, we are facing a relative crisis with the number of boat people coming in from the African shores.
The Italians are having problems a thousand fold bigger.
Our Island is just a piece of rock in the middle of nowhere, already one of the highest population density around.
So what do we do? Send gunboats and blow them up before they can reach our territorial waters?
Is their coming over here creating problems? Oh yes, and how!!
So what do we go? Put them in gas chambers and then burn the bodies?
What do we do?
IT IS THE TIME OF CHANGE.
Is the present 'empire' on this planet committing atrocities?
OOooooooh YES.
Is the 'empire' corrupt?
OOooooooh Yes.
Is the empire doing anything for human civilisation to evolve further?
OOOOOOOOooooooooooh YES.
This very medium we are openely, uncensored, freely, democratically, and globally using to air ALL views on the matter is an American development as is the Internet.
If America did not exist, freedom of expression, technological developments, art, knowledge, all that and more, would have taken an extra two or three centuries to reach the state of the human global community today.
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit.
And the ideology of having one tribe in this overpopulated global world of ours, based on the elimination of another tribe, is simply not acceptable.
We MUST find those area that we all agree on, and together, with all our efforts together, trim the branches.
IT IS A TIME OF CHANGE.
It is the time of The Global Empire.
The planet that sustains our being is changing. The injustices that are occurring in front our eyes are bringing us closer to the brink of blowing ourselves up.
Unless we start to look at what we agree about instead of shouting at each other for our divergences or ideologies, we will not find any solutions.
Change has hopefully come to the US. The man soon in the seat of the most powerful nation of the world has promised it. Similar change has occurred in other Super Powers too.
It is necessary to do so for the future of humanity, because even if we are still divided into different tribes, we are but one and the same....
The Human Race.
And together we can topple the corruption, and solve the problems that face us all in or different sectors of the planet.
It is one planet, and it's all we've got.
IT IS TIME OF CHANGE.
And if we pull together, work together, build together....then....
YES WE CAN.
That is my philosophy on this matter. I have been drained mentally and emotionally by this thread. If what I have written here is not understood, or is disagreeable to others, then tough luck.
This is my last say on the matter.
May whicever God you believe in provide you with the solutions to your problems, and may you be blessed by The Mighty Spirit with peace, and happinnes..
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Seamushen,
I find it rather interesting that someone would try to explain the Jews as a people rather than a nation. The U.S. is a nation made up of many different people of all nationalities, religions, ethnic backgrounds and races. Perhaps the man was trying to say that the State(or country as some people might call it) of Israel is made up of many Jews, many of which are from different ethnic backgrounds. The Jews are not a race of people but a melting pot of many different individual cultures and skin color differences. Their commonality is their Torah and the monotheistic belief in God and that is what unites.
There is also the term "Diaspora." The dispersion of the Jews in many parts of the world over the centuries due to forced expulsion. Perhaps this man may have also included the "diaspora" to also be included as an explanation of part of the people of Israel. And not necessarily having to live in the State of Israel.
The State of Israel is made up of many different religions, skin colors, ethnic and cultural backgrounds and that would be a logical explanation for a description of a nation perhaps.
Not hearing this man speak, perhaps this is what he was trying to say. Again, JMO!!
I find it rather interesting that someone would try to explain the Jews as a people rather than a nation. The U.S. is a nation made up of many different people of all nationalities, religions, ethnic backgrounds and races. Perhaps the man was trying to say that the State(or country as some people might call it) of Israel is made up of many Jews, many of which are from different ethnic backgrounds. The Jews are not a race of people but a melting pot of many different individual cultures and skin color differences. Their commonality is their Torah and the monotheistic belief in God and that is what unites.
There is also the term "Diaspora." The dispersion of the Jews in many parts of the world over the centuries due to forced expulsion. Perhaps this man may have also included the "diaspora" to also be included as an explanation of part of the people of Israel. And not necessarily having to live in the State of Israel.
The State of Israel is made up of many different religions, skin colors, ethnic and cultural backgrounds and that would be a logical explanation for a description of a nation perhaps.
Not hearing this man speak, perhaps this is what he was trying to say. Again, JMO!!
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ah absolutely and guns only induce hate
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nora83: its the sixth day , 4oo are killed and over 2000 are injuired, no food , no water , no Petrol , no medication, no electricity, and Israel refuses to stop the raids that are killing innocent people in Gaza , among the international silence . wat do you think ?
I'de like to see the American Government completely Butt-Out and leave the business of war between these two -to them .
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AMEN Gozoman!!! You said it right!!
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jvaski: I'de like to see the American Government completely Butt-Out and leave the business of war between these two -to them .
I'd like to see the other countries who supply the arms and terrorist training to also Butt-Out and leave the business of war between these foes also. Now fair is fair!! No help from anyone outside.
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LILLYLADY: I'd like to see the other countries who supply the arms and terrorist training to also Butt-Out and leave the business of war between these foes also. Now fair is fair!! No help from anyone outside.
Yea, unfortunately - that's a valid point. I've always thought the US has been overboard on Israeli support - as shown by our govenment's recent statements. I'm always rooting for the "little guy" ..... Feel Sorry for the people of Gaza...
But Wait ........ Is there OIL there ?
Actually , there's not much funny about the situation when people are being killed and displaced. You'de think in modern times those two opponents would have found a mutually agreeable situation . ( after decades of years of war )
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gozoman2: If America did not exist, freedom of expression, technological developments, art, knowledge, all that and more, would have taken an extra two or three centuries to reach the state of the human global community today.
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit...
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit...
Great post, gozoman2, of the United States being a leading force in development of advances in technologies, has well as being a leader in advancement of governments, democracies, allowing its citizens to enjoy personal freedoms, and liberties. There is one, very important, aspect of your post I must draw attention to, and that is "change". What gave America the ability to become the nation it is does not need a change, but a return to the principles which enabled government control. Read the following two papers written by Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison.
You will find the strength of America, and the freedoms, and liberties, once enjoyed without question, are not of the governments seated powers, but of "The People" who elected, and directed those powers. A Republic controlling our form of democracy, and not contolled of factions, and singular ideology for self interest. The world no longer knows, or hears of the "republican principles" which built this nation, as left powers, and their factious interests, have worked steadily, since the '60s, to blind Americans, and the world, of individual responsibility for community, state, and nation. We need to return to those principles, and not "change" what made America.
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Truthfully, I would like to see an honored truce amongst both sides. But as many truces have been signed one has to look back and see just who started lobbing rockets first at the other side to break the truce. How long can a country restrain itself when it gets about 70 rockets a day lobbed at it's people. The world stands by and doesn't put a stop to it. It is sad that an entire people have to suffer as a direct result from those amongst them that break the truce. The US moved fast after Pearl Harbor and 911. There was no restraint there with an attitude of "Let's wait and see what else they do!" before we take any action.
Yes, I do feel sorry for the Palestinians but I also feel sorry for the Israelis as they too have a right not to get their people blown up too!!
It would be very nice to be able to raise their children and watch them grow up in a land of peace. And not to worry that some stranger will be lobbing Kassem rockets at their homes indescriminately or that the other guy's home, life and family will be blown apart because someone is firing at them in seeking out someone shooting those rockets from their building. Military capability cannot see through a building to know who is in there, only can tell where weapons are being fired from. Cowards they are to fire from a building where they know innocent civilians are. There doesn't seem to be any protests regarding this type of behavior but the deaths that occur from this behavior are protested.
In an idyllic world or future date, perhaps this will no longer occur and parents can see their children grow up. Their leaders must seriously want peace and be able to reign in their own citizens that break the peace if a peace accord is signed. JMO as usual!!
Yes, I do feel sorry for the Palestinians but I also feel sorry for the Israelis as they too have a right not to get their people blown up too!!
It would be very nice to be able to raise their children and watch them grow up in a land of peace. And not to worry that some stranger will be lobbing Kassem rockets at their homes indescriminately or that the other guy's home, life and family will be blown apart because someone is firing at them in seeking out someone shooting those rockets from their building. Military capability cannot see through a building to know who is in there, only can tell where weapons are being fired from. Cowards they are to fire from a building where they know innocent civilians are. There doesn't seem to be any protests regarding this type of behavior but the deaths that occur from this behavior are protested.
In an idyllic world or future date, perhaps this will no longer occur and parents can see their children grow up. Their leaders must seriously want peace and be able to reign in their own citizens that break the peace if a peace accord is signed. JMO as usual!!
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jvaski: Yea, unfortunately - that's a valid point. I've always thought the US has been overboard on Israeli support - as shown by our govenment's recent statements. I'm always rooting for the "little guy" ..... Feel Sorry for the people of Gaza...
But Wait ........ Is there OIL there ?
Actually , there's not much funny about the situation when people are being killed and displaced. You'de think in modern times those two opponents would have found a mutually agreeable situation . ( after decades of years of war )
But Wait ........ Is there OIL there ?
Actually , there's not much funny about the situation when people are being killed and displaced. You'de think in modern times those two opponents would have found a mutually agreeable situation . ( after decades of years of war )
Is there OIL there? That's any interesting thought.
If they would stop lobbing the rockets at Israel, then perhaps they would have some time and turn their talent toward oil exploration and better their people's welfare. I believe that oil for an exchange of peace would be an interesting thought to pursue.... Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel in exchange for the Israelis leaving the Palestinians alone to do their oil exploration.
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LILLYLADY: Is there OIL there? That's any interesting thought.
If they would stop lobbing the rockets at Israel, then perhaps they would have some time and turn their talent toward oil exploration and better their people's welfare. I believe that oil for an exchange of peace would be an interesting thought to pursue.... Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel in exchange for the Israelis leaving the Palestinians alone to do their oil exploration.
If they would stop lobbing the rockets at Israel, then perhaps they would have some time and turn their talent toward oil exploration and better their people's welfare. I believe that oil for an exchange of peace would be an interesting thought to pursue.... Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel in exchange for the Israelis leaving the Palestinians alone to do their oil exploration.
Grammatical correction to above post. It should read as follows:
"That's an interesting thought."
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jvaski: Yea, unfortunately - that's a valid point. I've always thought the US has been overboard on Israeli support - as shown by our govenment's recent statements. I'm always rooting for the "little guy" ..... Feel Sorry for the people of Gaza...
But Wait ........ Is there OIL there ?
Actually , there's not much funny about the situation when people are being killed and displaced. You'de think in modern times those two opponents would have found a mutually agreeable situation . ( after decades of years of war )
There is Oil in the Sinai,which Israel developed after '67,and later returned to Egypt!But Wait ........ Is there OIL there ?
Actually , there's not much funny about the situation when people are being killed and displaced. You'de think in modern times those two opponents would have found a mutually agreeable situation . ( after decades of years of war )
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gozoman2: IT IS TIME OF CHANGE.........
Human history has always been a process of growth....marked by the prevalent dominant society partaking to different periods of time.
If we continue bickering on the pasty, and trying to find the culprit for the mess the Middle East is today, we'll carry on doing just that.
Bickering.
Did the Roman Empire commit atrocities.
YES.
Was the Roman Empire corrupt?
YES.
Did the Roman Empire leave anything behind?
OOoooooooooh YES......
Civilization to a chunk of humanity that would not have had access to such development. Without the Roman Empire,it would have been impossible for humanity to make that one step forward.
IT WAS A TIME OF CHANGE.The number of people on this planet has grow such, that in our country for example, we are facing a relative crisis with the number of boat people coming in from the African shores.
The Italians are having problems a thousand fold bigger.
Our Island is just a piece of rock in the middle of nowhere, already one of the highest population density around.
So what do we do? Send gunboats and blow them up before they can reach our territorial waters?
Is their coming over here creating problems? Oh yes, and how!!
So what do we go? Put them in gas chambers and then burn the bodies?
What do we do?
IT IS THE TIME OF CHANGE.
Is the present 'empire' on this planet committing atrocities?
OOooooooh YES.
Is the 'empire' corrupt?
OOooooooh Yes.
Is the empire doing anything for human civilisation to evolve further?OOOOOOOOooooooooooh YES.
This very medium we are openely, uncensored, freely, democratically, and globally using to air ALL views on the matter is an American development as is the Internet.
If America did not exist, freedom of expression, technological developments, art, knowledge, all that and more, would have taken an extra two or three centuries to reach the state of the human global community today.
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit.
And the ideology of having one tribe in this overpopulated global world of ours, based on the elimination of another tribe, is simply not acceptable.
We MUST find those area that we all agree on, and together, with all our efforts together, trim the branches.
IT IS A TIME OF CHANGE.
It is the time of The Global Empire.
..........................................................
May whicever God you believe in provide you with the solutions to your problems, and may you be blessed by The Mighty Spirit with peace, and happinnes..
Human history has always been a process of growth....marked by the prevalent dominant society partaking to different periods of time.
If we continue bickering on the pasty, and trying to find the culprit for the mess the Middle East is today, we'll carry on doing just that.
Bickering.
Did the Roman Empire commit atrocities.
YES.
Was the Roman Empire corrupt?
YES.
Did the Roman Empire leave anything behind?
OOoooooooooh YES......
Civilization to a chunk of humanity that would not have had access to such development. Without the Roman Empire,it would have been impossible for humanity to make that one step forward.
IT WAS A TIME OF CHANGE.The number of people on this planet has grow such, that in our country for example, we are facing a relative crisis with the number of boat people coming in from the African shores.
The Italians are having problems a thousand fold bigger.
Our Island is just a piece of rock in the middle of nowhere, already one of the highest population density around.
So what do we do? Send gunboats and blow them up before they can reach our territorial waters?
Is their coming over here creating problems? Oh yes, and how!!
So what do we go? Put them in gas chambers and then burn the bodies?
What do we do?
IT IS THE TIME OF CHANGE.
Is the present 'empire' on this planet committing atrocities?
OOooooooh YES.
Is the 'empire' corrupt?
OOooooooh Yes.
Is the empire doing anything for human civilisation to evolve further?OOOOOOOOooooooooooh YES.
This very medium we are openely, uncensored, freely, democratically, and globally using to air ALL views on the matter is an American development as is the Internet.
If America did not exist, freedom of expression, technological developments, art, knowledge, all that and more, would have taken an extra two or three centuries to reach the state of the human global community today.
It is therefore illogical and contrary to progress of human civilization, to depict the US as something that has to be torn down and burned as the devil.
BUT.......
We have to change. We have to remove those branches of this tree, that are bearing bad fruit. But we cannot burn the tree, since then we would be left with no fruit.
And the ideology of having one tribe in this overpopulated global world of ours, based on the elimination of another tribe, is simply not acceptable.
We MUST find those area that we all agree on, and together, with all our efforts together, trim the branches.
IT IS A TIME OF CHANGE.
It is the time of The Global Empire.
..........................................................
May whicever God you believe in provide you with the solutions to your problems, and may you be blessed by The Mighty Spirit with peace, and happinnes..
I have traced your discourse and it is just your point of view and your feelings. It would be interesting you go a little bit beyond the limits of your perception and then maybe your plastic ideas of progress, peace, sacred stuff and all that would have a hard time to go from the empty discourses to reality. The reality OTHER PEOPLE KNOW.
In other parts of the world people (and I am not talking about Palestine) many people would only shrug by hearing your clichés. Yesterday it was Israel protecting the civilised world and today the US and its key role in having this world , sure, the best possible one.
I do not deny the contribution of those countries to your upbringing , words and attitude, and I know it is all yours.
Enouhg of that plastic show. I could break down all your stuff from my point of view just for the sakes of the discussion but not now. maybe later.
Actualy an exercise I have performed many times before because nothing what you said has not been repeated by many weeping plastic thinkers before.
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BarrenPneuma: If Hamas did not have such a volatile presence in Gaza then likely the repercussions from their attacks would fall elsewhere. It is sad for the true innocents but no less sad than it is for the local Israelis who must face this every day for the past 60 years.
When you continuously poke a bear is it any wonder really when it turns and bites your hand off?
When you continuously poke a bear is it any wonder really when it turns and bites your hand off?
True , Unfortunately. Yet, Israel did repeatedly warn Hamas to cease fire before they struck back. I do have to wonder if it is overkill though, and I AM Jewish. My heart to all innocents of all races caufht in the crossfire of this. 
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Hi folks...
I've half looked at the long winded replies to this thread...About who is right and who is wrong and the bottom line is this..Either the Iraeli gov. or the wider international community has to talk to Hamas.They don't have any choice. For two main reason..
1..You can't put a put around the neck of an idea*
2..You can kill the revolutionary but not the revolution
One day and the sooner the better to stop more innocent people killed..Both sides have to talk and agree to stop the conflict.
All I know about conflict resolution is what happened on the streets of Belfast(i seen the troubles first hand, I grew up there).
And because the British Gov. couldn't defeat the PIRA(neither could the PIRA)..they had to talk..And it's as simple as that.
*Bobby Sands
I've half looked at the long winded replies to this thread...About who is right and who is wrong and the bottom line is this..Either the Iraeli gov. or the wider international community has to talk to Hamas.They don't have any choice. For two main reason..
1..You can't put a put around the neck of an idea*
2..You can kill the revolutionary but not the revolution
One day and the sooner the better to stop more innocent people killed..Both sides have to talk and agree to stop the conflict.
All I know about conflict resolution is what happened on the streets of Belfast(i seen the troubles first hand, I grew up there).
And because the British Gov. couldn't defeat the PIRA(neither could the PIRA)..they had to talk..And it's as simple as that.
*Bobby Sands
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LILLYLADY: Is there OIL there? That's any interesting thought.
If they would stop lobbing the rockets at Israel, then perhaps they would have some time and turn their talent toward oil exploration and better their people's welfare. I believe that oil for an exchange of peace would be an interesting thought to pursue.... Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel in exchange for the Israelis leaving the Palestinians alone to do their oil exploration.
If they would stop lobbing the rockets at Israel, then perhaps they would have some time and turn their talent toward oil exploration and better their people's welfare. I believe that oil for an exchange of peace would be an interesting thought to pursue.... Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel in exchange for the Israelis leaving the Palestinians alone to do their oil exploration.
You are definitely not Zionist (actually I always knew that, unless you are not applying the Nationalism of them correctly), well too many too-good-to-be-true ideas.
Guess what would happen to the wells once they get discovered!!
Hard puzzle?
Oh my freaking God!!
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Conrad73: Some interesting reading here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Thanks, I will go into it....though I have said before that I do not use for my knowledge or to correct my mistakes the free-ware Internet stuff. I just don´t.
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