Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share ! (814)
In history everything was much easier. Then you could kill jews
for free. Of cource it´upsets many that they suddenly hit back.
Israel has the right to fight back. Hamas is an outspoken enemy of all Jews in the world and has clearly stated that the extermination of Israel is its goal.
Bo S.
for free. Of cource it´upsets many that they suddenly hit back.
Israel has the right to fight back. Hamas is an outspoken enemy of all Jews in the world and has clearly stated that the extermination of Israel is its goal.
Bo S.
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I do not agree with this but hammas is to be blamed for!
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nora83: its the sixth day , 4oo are killed and over 2000 are injuired, no food , no water , no Petrol , no medication, no electricity, and Israel refuses to stop the raids that are killing innocent people in Gaza , among the international silence . wat do you think ?
Since the formation of the Zionist state, their leaders with the enthusiastic support of all 'our leaders' have made genocide of the Palestinian people , and Arabs in general really, perfectly legal. It is basically a Zionist sport to attack and kill an unarmed people who have no way of self defense other than some lightly armed rag-tag resistance groups. They are like flies around a vulture...The silence is no longer deafening however as the peoples of the world continue to watch in real time horror at these latest 'hunting expeditions' against the Palestinian peoples of Gaza. All of the Muslim world is demanding that their so called leaders actually do something to help stop the Zionist attacks, as are many in Europe...perhaps the peoples of the world should either ignore their leaders who are either allies of the Zionist State, or are so scared of their powers, that they should be all brought down by force...or perhaps it is time for all peoples around the world to mount a old time crusade against the Zionist menace and attack them where ever they are found, be it on the streets of our cities or our governments...perhaps forming volunteer corps to join the Palestinian fighters...the Zionists are our common enemy; they are among the common enemies of mankind that desperately need to be eliminated from our planet for the rest of humanity. They are a disease. Long Live Palestine!
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frozensolid: First of all the U.S. will do little to stop the Israeli's. Why? Because they support Israel politcally, finacially, and militarily. Second, the U.S. knows that if they ever got into a conflict with Israel they would be reduced to ashes. Israel, probably has the most powerful military on the face of the planet. If they wanted they could bring the U.S. to their knees. They know it and the U.S. knows it. As for the continued attacks in Gaza, the Palestinian population can thank Hamas for these continued attacks. They are the one's putting their own people in harm's way. The Israeli government WILL NEVER allow anyone to jeapordize their way of life again, especially after the Holocaust.
if the Israeli suffered the Holocaust ,as you are saying , why do palestinians have to pay the price ? why did they come to our land ? Israelis are not from this region , some are from Europe , some are from latin America , some form poland and Russia , what are they doing in Palestine ? can some1 answer me please , we used to live in peace before they come to ourland , and we have the right to defend our rights and land and fight against the acuupation , please dont foget this point , very imp
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
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gazzas not been the same since he cried on the pitch playing for england ha ha ha ha ha
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solitare: Since the formation of the Zionist state, their leaders with the enthusiastic support of all 'our leaders' have made genocide of the Palestinian people , and Arabs in general really, perfectly legal. It is basically a Zionist sport to attack and kill an unarmed people who have no way of self defense other than some lightly armed rag-tag resistance groups. They are like flies around a vulture...The silence is no longer deafening however as the peoples of the world continue to watch in real time horror at these latest 'hunting expeditions' against the Palestinian peoples of Gaza. All of the Muslim world is demanding that their so called leaders actually do something to help stop the Zionist attacks, as are many in Europe...perhaps the peoples of the world should either ignore their leaders who are either allies of the Zionist State, or are so scared of their powers, that they should be all brought down by force...or perhaps it is time for all peoples around the world to mount a old time crusade against the Zionist menace and attack them where ever they are found, be it on the streets of our cities or our governments...perhaps forming volunteer corps to join the Palestinian fighters...the Zionists are our common enemy; they are among the common enemies of mankind that desperately need to be eliminated from our planet for the rest of humanity. They are a disease. Long Live Palestine!
UUUUU....sounds scarily familiar doesn't it......
I believe it was a guy called Adolf?
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nora83: if the Israeli suffered the Holocaust ,as you are saying , why do palestinians have to pay the price ? why did they come to our land ? Israelis are not from this region , some are from Europe , some are from latin America , some form poland and Russia , what are they doing in Palestine ? can some1 answer me please , we used to live in peace before they come to ourland , and we have the right to defend our rights and land and fight against the acuupation , please dont foget this point , very imp
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
The nature of human development has always included the wars of consumption and displacement. To solve this point we would have to erradicate most nations of this earth completely as very few live in a land that was truly unoccupied before they arrived. There is no way of unwriting history. We can only learn from it and that seems to be a lesson for the common person rather than the leaders of any so called civilized nation. None are willing to let go of what they believe they have some claim to. Eventually we will have to face extinction as the war continues to grow to a point that it is truly global.
History shows quite clearly that many tribes existed in those lands so who is to say which one has any sort of rights based on their previous claims? The situation is what it is right now and the only solution is peaceful coexistence which does not seem possible by any means. I fear for all the peoples in that region terribly as it only seems to get worse.
The Israelis who have come to the region once had claims to that land themselves and feel justified in taking it back after 2000 years of displacement. They have technology and power to do so and the rest of the world fears this as they have shown many times in the past that they are capable and willing to defend their land exactly as they did in Masada.
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nora83: if the Israeli suffered the Holocaust ,as you are saying , why do palestinians have to pay the price ? why did they come to our land ? Israelis are not from this region , some are from Europe , some are from latin America , some form poland and Russia , what are they doing in Palestine ? can some1 answer me please , we used to live in peace before they come to ourland , and we have the right to defend our rights and land and fight against the acuupation , please dont foget this point , very imp
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
Spo are you saying that with this same kind of reasoning we should also wipe out the nation of South Africa because it originally belonged to the Zulu people?
or that the entire scenario in the Balkans should be redesigned because Croats and Serbs used to live where there are now bosnians?
Are you saying that we should set the world on fire and reshuffle all that has occurred in the last couple of centuries of human history??????
Are you saying Destroy Israel?
And you expect us to back your cry for justice?
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One thing I know for sure is this:
It matters not one whit who empathizes with Hamas or the Israelis or who started or ended what first. BECAUSE:
Israel and America would be wise not to use this siege on Gaza as an excuse to mess with Iran. Why? It's simple. China and Russia will NOT stand on the sidelines and watch Iran get attacked. Palestine is armed with a crude army of stone throwers and toy rockets. Iran is not defenseless Palestine, and the powers that be know that for a fact.
World war three, anyone?
It matters not one whit who empathizes with Hamas or the Israelis or who started or ended what first. BECAUSE:
Israel and America would be wise not to use this siege on Gaza as an excuse to mess with Iran. Why? It's simple. China and Russia will NOT stand on the sidelines and watch Iran get attacked. Palestine is armed with a crude army of stone throwers and toy rockets. Iran is not defenseless Palestine, and the powers that be know that for a fact.
World war three, anyone?
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BarrenPneuma: The Israelis lived in that land for far longer than 60 years. It was their homeland before the Romans pushed them out 2000 years ago. They merely returned home. There is no easy answer but if the terrorists were removed the world would have a better vantage and would likely be more supportive of all innocents displaced. Both nations deserve to live there and both have claims. A very difficult situation made more impossible by the genocidal terrorists on both sides it appears.
I of course take no offense to you post as it is exactly what you have been facing for far too many years. I have great sympathy for your situation but sadly no solutions as I am but one man and without power on that particular political field.
I of course take no offense to you post as it is exactly what you have been facing for far too many years. I have great sympathy for your situation but sadly no solutions as I am but one man and without power on that particular political field.
ah there you go , then ! arabs has the right to go accupy Spain , as we lived their for 800 years in the past sir , and not very old time ago , some hundreds sir , not 2000 years !! its imazing
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nora83: ah there you go , then ! arabs has the right to go accupy Spain , as we lived their for 800 years in the past sir , and not very old time ago , some hundreds sir , not 2000 years !! its imazing
Like I said previously this whole point is exactly like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog. It is not an issue that can be realized in any way. The situation right or wrong is already too far done and there is no going back. Forward only and this will have to be one side being wiped out (God forbid) or peaceful coexistence. The second option will not occur with terrorists hiding amongst the locals. Wolves in sheep's clothing are always far too dangerous to have around any home.
Rid yourselves of Hamas and the whole issue will sort itself out in a way that is acceptable for both sides.
I have chinese neighbours, I likewise have Muslim neighbours, and in fact neighbours from all parts of the world. We coexist and have not lost our cultural identities. Why can you not do the same?
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nora83: if the Israeli suffered the Holocaust ,as you are saying , why do palestinians have to pay the price ? why did they come to our land ? Israelis are not from this region , some are from Europe , some are from latin America , some form poland and Russia , what are they doing in Palestine ? can some1 answer me please , we used to live in peace before they come to ourland , and we have the right to defend our rights and land and fight against the acuupation , please dont foget this point , very imp
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
its not a matter of whom is attacking whom , ita matter of whos land is that ? read the history for God's sake
Apart from the cases where some groups have used extreme terrorist and useless actions to retaliate Israel, I personally admire the courage of Palestinians. I know a few of them here, they came poor after the wars, leaving their homes, and now many of them are rich beyond belief. Some have forgotten the country, have forgotten the language and religion, and have become Peruvians. Some others probably still support their land. I know a guy , he is in his sixties now and he showed me his pics with Yasser Arafat during the Sinai war. I do not know why he eventually left the struggle and came to Peru, but now he is rich and sends money to support the cause. His son, now , is in his 20s and after getting a degree on engineering from Purdue he says he will come back to Palestine to work for his land.
I know Palestinians fight for their land and face an enemy (the Zionism) that is powerful and has infected the mind of many people in Israel.
After the last war in 2006 ( I spent part of that sabattical year studying a course in Israel during the campaign) I got convinced that the Palestinians will fight to the bitter end. This is the motto used by the Israeli politicians now, just when they are aware of the decision of the Palestinians to fight to the very end and just when they know the Palestinians are learning how to stop the devilish war-machine Israel has bult. If there is hatred in the Palestinian hearts toward Israel or just love for their land and their cause it is something I do not understand for sure. I know Israel has made them hate it utterly though they and the US politicians want to say different things.
It is a human thing in the end, but those young fighters in the trenches (and do not confuse them with plain terrorists) will fight and die in bravery, probably because the other option is just to die with their kneels down on the ground. We have to be on their shoes to feel it that way I guess.
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Looking through this thread I really have to scratch my hed and wonder why peace has not been obtained in the middle east.
There's really only 5 or 6 main players/posters here right now and none really have a big stake in this yet most are prepared to rip each other a new one over this subject. Now multiply these sentiments times the population of that region, throw in special interest groups, other nations, etc.. and you may have some idea about the chances of peace in the middle east.
Those people are pretty much screwed. And it wont be just the Palistinian's and Israeli's who will suffer before this is over.
There's really only 5 or 6 main players/posters here right now and none really have a big stake in this yet most are prepared to rip each other a new one over this subject. Now multiply these sentiments times the population of that region, throw in special interest groups, other nations, etc.. and you may have some idea about the chances of peace in the middle east.
Those people are pretty much screwed. And it wont be just the Palistinian's and Israeli's who will suffer before this is over.
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sanfranchicky: One thing I know for sure is this:
It matters not one whit who empathizes with Hamas or the Israelis or who started or ended what first. BECAUSE:
Israel and America would be wise not to use this siege on Gaza as an excuse to mess with Iran. Why? It's simple. China and Russia will NOT stand on the sidelines and watch Iran get attacked. Palestine is armed with a crude army of stone throwers and toy rockets. Iran is not defenseless Palestine, and the powers that be know that for a fact.
World war three, anyone?
It matters not one whit who empathizes with Hamas or the Israelis or who started or ended what first. BECAUSE:
Israel and America would be wise not to use this siege on Gaza as an excuse to mess with Iran. Why? It's simple. China and Russia will NOT stand on the sidelines and watch Iran get attacked. Palestine is armed with a crude army of stone throwers and toy rockets. Iran is not defenseless Palestine, and the powers that be know that for a fact.
World war three, anyone?
it is quite interesting to note however, that preliminary groundwork has already been undertaken between the Russian Federation, i.e. Putin, and the president elect of the US Obama on this issue.
This is in preparation for actual full discussion ta take place immediately after the official take over of all powers as president by Obama later on this month.
It is heartening to hear that Russia seems in fact ready to act as intermediary in the global scenario of the middle east, and may prove to be the balancing factor in holding back form the escalation you are suggesting.
It is not in anybody's interest, Russia, US, China, or any other country for that matter, for this thing to set fire to the area. Not even Iran's. However they may scream of anti Zionism, I would imagine that they too know that a nuclear holocaust on thier territory is not exactly the answer.
And if there is one country that Iran has to be sure would use Nuclear if they had no other choice is Israel.
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Apostophe: Sixty years - not a long time at all - please don't forget the land belongs to the Palestinians in the first place - you can't roam the planet for thousands of years and then fly in with the help of the Americans and their allies and forcefully claim it back, because "GOD" said you can!
Slightly more complicated then that I'm afraid. One cannot argue of taking back or of having been there or whatever. One has to talk of now.
denying the existence of Israel is certainly not going to solve this hot potato. Not sixty years ago, not 2000 years ago. Now..
There is a country called Israel that is a reality.
There is a people who have been mistreated by international mismanagement and who certainly are justified in claiming a land for their own country. Fact.
Hamas breaking an internationally agreed truce and shooting rockets on Israeli villages in the Negev Desert is not going to solve anything.
I believe an incredible injustice has been done tot the Palestinaian people, but Hamas is trying to use civilian residnetial areas as it's shield to attack Israel.
Neutralise Hamas, and you have started on the road to possible solutions. otherwise I don't believe Israel is going to stop before it does it itself. And if rockets were being shot at me, I would to.
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In response to: its the sixth day , 4oo are killed and over 2000 are injuired, no food , no water , no Petrol , no medication, no electricity, and Israel refuses to stop the raids that are killing innocent people in Gaza , among the international silence . wat do you think ?
And what say you to America's invasion of Irak - and they've been spindoctoring for years now to do the same in Iran!
Oil and the holy Dollar go hand in hand.
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Meant to reply to gozo2
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I view this situation with caution, acknowledging that we only know what we are allowed to know.
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Apostophe: And what say you to America's invasion of Irak - and they've been spindoctoring for years now to do the same in Iran!
Oil and the holy Dollar go hand in hand.
Oil and the holy Dollar go hand in hand.
Different kettle of fish.....
Iraq was one huge mess perpetuated by the US because there is oil. I am stating nothing new here as I have made my stand clear on other occasions......the US will never be justified for an unauthorized, illegal occupation of another country which is also going against international accords.
The definition of democracy as perpetuated by Bush in Iraq was.....is a crime against humanity.
The Middle eastern situation of Palestine is a different story entirely.
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well , i read alot in history, and found out that its sirael who started the fight , they started the shooting, there was a truce , right ! wat kind of trucw while Gaza was suffering the accupation, all closed , no food / water / medication / petrol was allowed to inter the city , wat kind of truce is that ? many people died while giving birth, many people died bcz they didnt have enough medication, what kind of truce is that ?
and since Israel is assuming that they are chasing Hamas ( thats wat they assume ) , why do they raid on schools and mosques and civilians ?
please im waiting for your reply
If your neighbour has a dog that constantly bites your children and you have it removed. Then they get another one of the same sort do you not retaliate against the neighbour at some point?
Hamas uses the Palestinians as shields to support their terrorism and sadly they hide amongst innocents. Eventually they will lose favour with the people they are using as defences and they will be kicked out to face their enemies in the open. Until that day there will be deaths from crossfire and collateral damages to be certain. None of it is right but it is happening and will continue to happen as long as terrorists are allowed to hide amongst the Palestinian people.
If the Jewish State is truly as bad as you are trying to show then perhaps move the Hamas out so that the Jewish point can be shown for what it is. If they continue to attack and kill innocents they will be seen as the aggressors and the world will finally know the truth.