Dadude62: Thanks Ray, Now maybe some of these bible thumpers on here can understand what I mean when I say I don't like "believers" meddling in politics,,,,
our ties to Israel are too close even for barrack to do anything about it. we will do as we please regarding Israel regardless of world opinion, just as we always have. I would challenge her neighbors to get busy building something lasting and productive instead of being a thorn in the side of whomever is the closest target and leave Israel alone. That is about all that is needed for peace in the region.
felixis99: our ties to Israel are too close even for barrack to do anything about it. we will do as we please regarding Israel regardless of world opinion, just as we always have. I would challenge her neighbors to get busy building something lasting and productive instead of being a thorn in the side of whomever is the closest target and leave Israel alone. That is about all that is needed for peace in the region.
Monkeywheels: US should keep their noses out,you just end up with a bloodied one.
good luck telling us what to do. you really think you have that right? whether we are in Israel is between us and Israel - no one else gets an opinon. period.
why is it that everyone wants to come here, everyone wants to tell us what to do....I don't get it. If you folk frm other countries don;t like us bloody well stay away
felixis99: good luck telling us what to do. you really think you have that right? whether we are in Israel is between us and Israel - no one else gets an opinon. period.
why is it that everyone wants to come here, everyone wants to tell us what to do....I don't get it. If you folk frm other countries don;t like us bloody well stay away
SoonerGal: what did I say to make you think that? Also I have a question...some are saying I was conditioned....how is it they can say I was conditioned, what is their proof and they weren't under any kind of conditioning, just me? nonsense...
On the first point: You said "Why shouldn't the US fight for Israel". And then you linked that viewpoint to Christianity. No need to look any further. The only way to possibly relate support for Israel with Christianity is through Dispensationalism. Even if you never heard of it, still its the source of that idea.
On the second point: Don't worry about what people say. We're all being conditioned continually. Just learn to spot it and avoid it.
Torless: @ray, good summary.....personally I dont think, a neautral stance will ever be taken for many reasons.
No I don't think neutrality is ever gonna happen either.
But that doesn't mean the tables won't turn.
Zionism was originally created for the specific purpose of setting up Israel to serve as a spoiler. To prevent the Arab nations from creating a superpower state, and to justify US military presence in the oil states.
Now that those goals have been accomplished. Israel serves no vital purpose for the US and has become a very expensive liability rather than an asset.
I expect that one day the US will simply decide to divest itself of that liability, and perhaps gain some brownie points with other nations in the process by invading and disarming Israel. And that will be the fulfillment of Luke 21.
TorlessChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,499 posts
RayfromUSA: No I don't think neutrality is ever gonna happen either.
But that doesn't mean the tables won't turn.
Zionism was originally created for the specific purpose of setting up Israel to serve as a spoiler. To prevent the Arab nations from creating a superpower state, and to justify US military presence in the oil states.
Now that those goals have been accomplished. Israel serves no vital purpose for the US and has become a very expensive liability rather than an asset.
I expect that one day the US will simply decide to divest itself of that liability, and perhaps gain some brownie points with other nations in the process by invading and disarming Israel. And that will be the fulfillment of Luke 21.
RayfromUSA: No I don't think neutrality is ever gonna happen either.
But that doesn't mean the tables won't turn.
Zionism was originally created for the specific purpose of setting up Israel to serve as a spoiler. To prevent the Arab nations from creating a superpower state, and to justify US military presence in the oil states.
Now that those goals have been accomplished. Israel serves no vital purpose for the US and has become a very expensive liability rather than an asset.
I expect that one day the US will simply decide to divest itself of that liability, and perhaps gain some brownie points with other nations in the process by invading and disarming Israel. And that will be the fulfillment of Luke 21.
RayfromUSA: No I don't think neutrality is ever gonna happen either.
But that doesn't mean the tables won't turn.
Zionism was originally created for the specific purpose of setting up Israel to serve as a spoiler. To prevent the Arab nations from creating a superpower state, and to justify US military presence in the oil states.
Now that those goals have been accomplished. Israel serves no vital purpose for the US and has become a very expensive liability rather than an asset.
I expect that one day the US will simply decide to divest itself of that liability, and perhaps gain some brownie points with other nations in the process by invading and disarming Israel. And that will be the fulfillment of Luke 21.
You might be well read,, but I think you're paranoid,, I can't see this happening ever,,,
RayfromUSA: Because Israel is an apartheid state with a policy of ethnic cleansing.
It has been a financial parasite of the US since the day of its creation.
It has poisoned US relations with formerly friendly Arab states.
In a false flag attack, Israel deliberately tried to sink an unarmed US ship killing scores of men in an attempt to draw the US into a war against Egypt.
Israel has massacred tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.
Israeli spies stole US nuclear secrets.
Israel has weapons of mass destruction and uses them regularly.
Israel has nuclear weapons aimed at European cities.
Is that enough ?????
Now try justifying why the US should fight for Israel.
hey ray. u must be anti-semitic because u sound like one
when the luciferian ashkenzi khazar banksters quit secretly funding the PLO, Hezbollah, al'CIA'da and so called Syrian rebels as well as the radical Iranians,
and when the libtard media quits giving the house of saud a free pass on their atrocities and quits pushing the "jooos did it" propaganda...maybe fo~rty ye~ars from now i'll rethink the US's funding of Israel.
But it's really a shame that Christians support Israel more than the self hating brainwashed Jews who live stateside.
But it's really a shame that Christians support Israel more than the self hating brainwashed Jews who live stateside.
More opinion or do you have proof of this?
Jews in the US have donated around 20 billion dollars to Israel, it is a part of Judaism that all those that follow the Jewish faith support Israel, both financially and through work.
rizlared: More opinion or do you have proof of this?
Jews in the US have donated around 20 billion dollars to Israel, it is a part of Judaism that all those that follow the Jewish faith support Israel, both financially and through work.
everyone knows the libtard self hating Jews align with the left... look it up yerself... now go back to brainwashing your Hollyweird crowd..... You ChiComs already own them; but you don't own the rest of us...
American Messianic Jews and Big League Christians support Israel more than the tribal Khazar's ever will.
raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA5,181 posts
crayons: everyone knows the libtard self hating Jews align with the left... look it up yerself... now go back to brainwashing your Hollyweird crowd..... You ChiComs already own them; but you don't own the rest of us...
American Messianic Jews and Big League Christians support Israel more than the tribal Khazar's ever will.
Why do u right wingers hate America so much? We dont have to support Israels hero who betrayed America , And Netanyahoo cant threaten us into doing it. We also shouldnt support and have to pay with American lives so Israel can creat illegal settlements.
raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA5,181 posts
raphael119: Why do u right wingers hate America so much? We dont have to support Israels hero who betrayed America , And Netanyahoo cant threaten us into doing it. We also shouldnt support and have to pay with American lives so Israel can creat illegal settlements.
raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA5,181 posts
crayons: Genesis 12:3 God told Abraham: “'I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curse you"
Genesis is OK. But I dont believe the earth is flat. The new testament talks about the jews who crucified gods son. I dont think God appreciated this . You might want to give your position a little insight or maybe a moment of thought.
raphael119: Genesis is OK. But I dont believe the earth is flat. The new testament talks about the jews who crucified gods son. I dont think God appreciated this . You might want to give your position a little insight or maybe a moment of thought.
the Bible says so called Jewish religious leaders sent Jesus to Pilot for judgement and sometime afterwards he committed suicide.
ROMAN soldiers killed Jesus at the cross but Jesus forgave them to fulfill the word of God... i dont want to turn this into a bible study, but Jesus died to take the sin nature from man so that those believing in him would also be saved...
the part i really like is sometime before he was arrested he had threatened the money changers again and ripped the place apart(((laughin)))and if i remember right he threatened the banksters twice before...and the so called religious leaders at that time could not stand the fact Jesus was cutting in to their little mollock worshippin services and old Jesus was getting all the offerings.((laughin)) they were pissed.
Luke 23:33-34 … 33 When they came to the place called The Skull, they crucified Him there, along with the criminals, one on His right and the other on His left. 34Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
John 19:24...So they said to one another, "Let's not tear it, but instead let us cast lots to see who will get it." This was to fulfill the Scripture: "They divided My garments among them, and cast lots for My clothing." So that is what the soldiers did. The soldiers had no idea they were killing the Son of God.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
crayons: the Bible says so called Jewish religious leaders sent Jesus to Pilot for judgement and sometime afterwards he committed suicide.
ROMAN soldiers killed Jesus at the cross (The Jewish leaders demanded of the Romans that Jesus be put to death (Matthew 27:22-25)) but Jesus forgave them to fulfill the word of God...i dont want to turn this into a bible study, but Jesus died to take the sin nature from man so that those believing in him would also be saved...
the part i really like is sometime before he was arrested he had threatened the money changers again and ripped the place apart(((laughin)))and if i remember right he threatened the banksters twice before...and the so called religious leaders at that time could not stand the fact Jesus was cutting in to their little mollock worshippin services and old Jesus was getting all the offerings.((laughin)) they were pissed.
Luke 23:33-34 … 33 When they came to the place called The Skull, they crucified Him there, along with the criminals, one on His right and the other on His left. 34Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
John 19:24...So they said to one another, "Let's not tear it, but instead let us cast lots to see who will get it." This was to fulfill the Scripture: "They divided My garments among them, and cast lots for My clothing." So that is what the soldiers did. The soldiers had no idea they were killing the Son of God.
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Now maybe some of these bible thumpers on here can understand what I mean when I say I don't like "believers" meddling in politics,,,,
who me?