RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

Given Trump won the election and Clinton is irrelevant, why the need to brag about the former and derogate the latter?

Why hasn't Trump moved on from that?

I get that the former president gets criticised, particularly when an opposition party gets elected - they walk into a situation that is not of their design, or liking.

I get that Trump supporters will follow their leader's example, although given how unprofessional he is, to put it mildly, that's a bit disconcerting.

Is it a technique of distraction and avoidance? The format of showmanship where constant, repetitive recaps follow endless advertising intermissions?

Is he merely without the basic social skills for the job, or is there something deeper going on?

How is it that even Trump supporters aren't finding his behaviour odd and are continuing to defend him fiercely?

RE: Towering inferno in England

A local resident has described the the that the sight of the burnt out tower is like looking at an open coffin.

It has been reported that covering Grenfell will begin in about three weeks time.

Survivors and families affected by the fire were locked out of a council meeting until officials decided they were ready for their contributions. The residents in turn pleaded for humanity after their knocking at the door was ignored.

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

I hadn't thought of that, epirb.

I bet the inappropriate ramblings of an old man in a syrup has really showed them who is down with the kids. thumbs up

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

Yeah, Conrad, I kinda cottoned on that the thread wasn't about Trump's policy changes by tweet, or his scout jamboree speech which left people asking how he could be kept away from children.

I was kinda making a point about his fitness for his role with respect to the praise and fierce defense from some posters on this thread.

Feel free to reply to my post and avoid my post at the same time. I think you forgot to patronise me into submission by calling me 'old son', or 'sonny Jim', though.

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

To an audience of children at a scout jamboree, epirb? laugh

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

@Conrad...

That seems incongruous with respect to Trump's history of tweeting other heads of state with the insulting bravado.

The president behaves inappropriately at best and to be honest, I'm a little perturbed that some people defend a president who is coming across as having some kind of disconnection with his roles.

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

Was a this the speech where Trump announced that transgemderism people would be unable to serve in the military?

Oh no, he made that policy change via Twitter.

Still, his speech to 40,000 mostly children at the scout jamboree went down well, didn't it?

I heard the highlights were

RE: Good Reason To Block!!

Stalkers.

Block and forget.

RE: Towering inferno in England

I think the Conservatives might need to plead the fifth ammendment on this one, Guzman.

It's one of the issues with the format of the inquiry - the judge and jury are also the witnesses and defendants.

RE: Towering inferno in England

Recovery teams will be sifting through 15 tons of debris on each of the 24 floors until Christmas in a bid to find some remains of each victim.

The fire raged at over 1,000C for some considerable time.

Majority Vital, 68, is the latest victim to be identified.

It has been revealed that sprinklers were not fitted at Grenfell because residents would have had to vacate the building while asbestos was removed.

RE: Britons may lose their right to live in another EU country

I think you misunderstood the article, LJ.

As I understood it, Theresa May's current offer will restrict freedom of movement within the EU, not relocation.

It will mean visas will be required for movement about the EU and restrictions will be made on obtaining, or retaining citizenship.

This might impact upon many people's working and family lives unless the British match the more generous offer proposed by the EU.

RE: Towering inferno in England

The funeral was held yesterday for Logan Isaac Gomes.

The baby boy was stillborn as his 7 months pregnant mother lay unconscious. She had escaped from the 21st floor with the rest of her family through thick smoke.

His heart had stopped beating.

RE: When did you get WORST hurt - this is physically hurt !!!!

It wasn't lucky that I survived.

It was a case of in over matter.

We have a lot more control over life and death than we realise.

RE: When did you get WORST hurt - this is physically hurt !!!!

Caesarean section, the anaesthetic didn't work.

You never experience more pain than you can cope with. When pain becomes intolerable, you die.

RE: knee boots

My knee high DMs don't seem to have that effect on men. giggle

RE: one day in the sun to turn dark

In the inimitable words of Billy Conolley, "Ahm pale bloo. Ah have te spend a week in the sun te go white."

RE: Where are you at your most confident best ?

Being a bit of a deaf old git, I'm a bundle of nerves on the phone.

My daughter rang me other day because she was running late and wanted to see if I could get to the school run quicker than her. I only knew my phone was ringing because I happened to have it in my hand and the screen lit up. The trouble was, I didn't know how to answer it. blushing giggle

I'm at my most relaxed texting, or emailing. It can be exhausting communicating face to face in a noisy environment.

On the other hand, if it gets really noisy at work, I'm the only member of the team who can lip read.

I'm picking up a trend on this thread that face to face contact with others is the approved mode of communication and is seen as a measure of confidence.

The question for me would be, is it a measure of confidence if people feel they have to conform with the approved social norm?

Or is it okay, for whatever reason, if some of us are more relaxed with other forms of communication best suited to our individual needs?

RE: 'You don't make more friends in life than the ones you have when you're 25'....

There's a Chinese saying: Friendship is like a river - whichever way it meanders it never runs out.

Sometimes we drift from people we were once close to as we change and our lives change. People come and go;it doesn't mean they weren't, or aren't friends.

As for having to be happy when meeting knew people and how exhausting that can be, a look at the subject of feeling rules, emotional work and how they can impact upon our personal development is worth a bit of googling.

One last thing - apparently there's a correlation between intelligence and the number of friends we have. That should bolster the self esteem of the folks who have huge friend lists on FB. giggle

RE: Towering inferno in England

@epirb...

I have listed some of the victims, some details about them and their cause of death.

Please feel free to explain how each of them turned their own country into a slaughter house, how they have threatened 'us' and how they intended to turn the entire world I to a slaughter house.

Only from where I'm standing, the slaughter house appears to be Grenfell.

RE: Towering inferno in England

@Ken...

I think having a roof over their head is important to most people.

It's generally fairly important to have a roof over your head situated such that you can get to your place of employment, too.

That doesn't alter the fact that very often rents and other primary need expenses like food, water, shoes, etc., exceed incomes.

People don't earn enough to obtain mortgages. Even if people went without food and sent their kids to school naked, they wouldn't be able to save enough to get enough capital to buy a property because they'd never keep up with the constantly inflating property market.

Property tax...?

RE: Towering inferno in England

I see your point, epirb.

The victims of this crime were probably wearing short skirts and were asking for it.

RE: What sound effect best describes your last date ?

I dunno.

It was a long time ago and I'm a bit of a deaf git now. laugh

RE: Towering inferno in England

@Aries...

Okay, do we need to raise the subject of Mira Hindley, or maybe Rose West in this thread because of the 82 year old white, British woman who is missing presumed dead?

Is it only because of political correctness if we don't?

RE: Towering inferno in England

@Len05...

How would you go about bullying people into wanting more, given that so many people's total outgoings for their primary needs exceed their wages?

Please bear in mind that in some areas like London, rents alone will exceed total incomes.

RE: Towering inferno in England

All of the immigrants, Aries?

The three children seen blown to pieces through the window of their flat? Did they threaten to kill you?

The mummy found clutching her dead baby? Both of them threatened your life?

Or was it the man who went up to the 23rd floor to help others and then died jumping from that height to avoid dying in the fire?

The 24 year old Ghanaian photographic artist? Her mum?

The engineering student who escaped Syria three years ago and had ambitions to go back one day to help rebuild his country in a time of peace?

The five year old little boy who disappeared into thick smoke as his family escaped? Did he threaten to kill you?

RE: Towering inferno in England

So, on a thread about the hideous death of 89 men, women and children most of whom appear to be first, or second generation immigrants, with the police considering manslaughter charges charges, the recent post are about immigrant murderers.

I'm sure there's an irony in there somewhere, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.

RE: Towering inferno in England

At least 89 people have died according to official reports.

Frustration at the lack of information being publicised has lead to volunteer demographers in conjunction with survivors, friends and families attempting to compile their own lists of survivors, confirmed dead, missing presumed dead and missing and unaccounted for.

One estimate quoted as 'probably conservative' put the number of dead at 103. Another estimated 120.

One survivor is described as having been sleeping on his friends' sofa following marital difficulties and was not registered at the address. Another man was sharing a one bedroomed flat with his aunt while studying and was not registered at the address.

'Sofa surfing' is common in London where rental properties are in high demand and extortionately priced. People who were not registered as living at Grenfell are facing homelessness and may not get access to other support services.

The likelihood of non-registered residents is complicating the recovery phase as teams sift through the debris trying to distinguish human remains from other detritus.

A 12 month immigration amnesty has been declared for residents. That seems to have changed from the apparent amnesty declared in the earliest days of the disaster. It has been deemed ineffective in both providing support for those affected and in terms of people contacting the authorities to provide vital information.

Of the 23 flats where no known survivors have been located, police are reviewing 26 calls to the emergency services on the night of the fire in an attempt to ascertain the number of occupants.

The mayor of London has launched an investigation into the London Fire Brigade's standard practise and equipment. Firefighters have highlighted that a 10 metre aerial ladder was not issued in the initial response and consequently did not arrive until after the fire had spread beyond the fourth floor. It has also been suggested that the water pressure available at the time was insufficient and difficulties with radio communication hampered operations.

203 samples of cladding from council owned tower blocks around the UK have failed combustability tests.

RE: if you like me leave a comment below

And something like one in a hundred people have at least one brief psychotic episode in their lifetime.

I like you, Pedro. Not that it matters whether I do, or don't.

Liking ourselves is more relevant, eh? hug

RE: Can humanity be saved?

I think you're forgetting that not everyone has a clean and plentiful water supply, Track.

RE: Towering inferno in England

Leena Belkadi, 6 months old. Found in the stairwell between the 19th and 20th floors in her mother's arms. Cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.

Leena's mummy, Farah Hamdan and her daddy Omar Belkadi also died. Their inquests have already been open and adjourned.

Malak Belkadi, aged 8. Taken to St. Mary's hospital, but later died. Cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.

A third sister, Tazmin Belkadi, aged 6, was taken to hospital and survives her family.

Mohammed Al Haj Ali, aged 23. The first of the victims to be formally identified, the Syrian refugee and engineering student was found outside the block. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height.

Husna Begum, aged 22. Found in the lobby near the lifts of the 17th floor, identified by dental records, cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.

Rabeya Begum, aged 64. Husna's relative was also identified by dental records, but she was found inside their 17th floor flat. Cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.

Three other members of Husna's family have been reported missing, but it is as yet not known what became of them.

Mohammed Amied Neda, aged 57. Lived on the 23rd floor, but was found outside the building. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height. His family were taken to hospital with severe injuries. A Facebook post from Zia Popal who described him as an uncle, said he had gone to the top floor to help others when he went missing.

Abdeslam Sebbar, aged 67. Found in a flat on the 11th floor, cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.

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