RE: Do not feel uncomfortable to declare ur IQ ?

I think it was Alfred Binet, though not entirely accredited with their creation, who originally used IQ tests to identify children's educational needs. I think it was him who created games like Musical Statues to help children develop certain cognitive skills.

It has since historically been misused (rather infamously in the US) to further eugenics agendas: people have been refused immigration entry, even though the tests are language and culturally biased; people have been sterilised without their consent, or even their knowledge.

IQ only tests a limited range of cognitive skills, and therefore begs the question, "What is intelligence?"

As IQ tests are in a written format and timed, they don't take into account learning differences, such as dyslexia. School staff were flummoxed by my daughter acing SATS tests (printed on blue, or yellow paper), but her failure to achieve the same results in the classroom (white boards and paper). Her teachers put it down to naughtiness and laziness, whilst failing to recognise she could access information in one format, but not the other. What is intelligence?

Because IQ tests are timed, scores can be improved with practice and knowledge. For example, in the case of number sequencing tests, if the Fibonacci sequence came up, the speed at which you answer will be greater if you have prior knowledge of the sequence, than if you have to work it out. Again, what is intelligence?

I once saw a documentary where the range of tests were extending to include a much wider range of cognitive skills. A dippy, blonde artist aced one test the boffins could not fathom. My, oh my, did the social dynamic of that group change over the course of the tests - some were humbled, the artist boosted in self- and other-esteem. It was a measure of how we can treat each other and ourselves according to our understanding within (or without) certain parameters.

Another documentary centred around a high needs school. Most of the kids had severe learning difficulties. One however, was a very clever chap. The teacher argued he had high needs too, just at the other end of the spectrum.

When interviewed, this 11 year old little boy was interupted from regaling the merits of his chemistry set and asked if he thought he was intelligent, to which he replied, "That depends on what 'intelligence' is."

RE: Do not feel uncomfortable to declare ur IQ ?

I think it was Alfred Binet who originally used IQ tests to identify children's educational needs. I think it was him who created games like Musical Statues to help children develop certain cognitive skills.

It has since historically been misused (rather infamously in the US) to further eugenics agendas: people have been refused immigration entry, even though the tests are language and culturally biased; people have been sterilised without their consent, or even their knowledge.

IQ only tests a limited range of cognitive skills, and therefore begs the question, "What is intelligence?"

As IQ tests are in a written format and timed, they don't take into account learning differences, such as dyslexia. School staff were flummoxed by my daughter acing SATS tests (printed on blue, or yellow paper), but her failure to achieve the same results in the classroom (white boards and paper). Her teachers put it down to naughtiness and laziness, whilst failing to recognise she could access information in one format, but not the other. What is intelligence?

Because IQ tests are timed, scores can be improved with practice and knowledge. For example, in the case of number sequencing tests, if the Fibonacci sequence came up, the speed at which you answer will be greater if you have prior knowledge of the sequence, than if you have to work it out. Again, what is intelligence?

I once saw a documentary where the range of tests were extending to include a much wider range of cognitive skills. A dippy, blonde artist aced one test the boffins could not fathom. My, oh my, did the social dynamic of that group change over the course of the tests - some were humbled, the artist boosted in self- and other-esteem. It was a measure of how we can treat each other and ourselves according to our understanding within (or without) certain parameters.

Another documentary centred around a high needs school. Most of the kids had severe learning difficulties. One however, was a very clever chap. The teacher argued he had high needs too, just at the other end of the spectrum.

When interviewed, this 11 year old boy was interupted from regaling the merits of his chemistry set and asked if he thought he was intelligent, to which he replied, "That depends on what 'intelligence' is."

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

Unless he was cleaning out your bank account, or getting you to cash dodgy checks, or selling your personal details to certain companies, he wasn't a scammer.

If you find someone's activities on Skype disgusting, you don't have to politely sit there and humour them. Close the Skype the moment you feel uncomfortable, or intruded upon and then block them.

You don't need to explain. You don't need to worry about hurting their feelings. If it's something you haven't both agreed upon, if it's not mutual, if you haven't consented, then just leave and don't bother communicating with them again.

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

Me?

Succinct...?

Now there's a first! laugh

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

No, he's not a scammer, nor have you suggested anything which would imply trolling.

He might not have been very nice, he might have been a player, he might have taken advantage of your nativity, but he wasn't a scammer.

Y'know, if people want to lie, cheat, mess people around, they are at liberty to do so.

You need to be able to tell the difference between nice people and not so nice people. If it took you 3 1/2 years to work out he wasn't a nice person, you missed the signals you could have probably started picking up in the first few mails.

Maybe you could let a trusted friend read your mail if you're getting emotionally attached to someone and give you some feedback.

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

Because the phrases 'he's a scammer' and 'he chose me!' are somewhat incongruous.

Scammers don't chose, they target. One of the ways they target is by leading naive people to believe they are choosing them, not targeting them.

If you can't tell the difference, you're a potential target.

I think both KB and I got the impression from your posts that you can't tell the difference. That's why I asked if you'd read the scammer warnings.

I wanted to ask you how this fella had scammed you over the last 3 1/2 years, but didn't know how to do it without you getting stroppy.

Before I thought of a way, KB had asked the question...and you got stroppy with her.

dunno

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

I suspect, like myself, KB was asking questions because she was a little alarmed at how much of a target you might be for real scammers.

RE: Have u met the person of ur dreams on Cs ?

Oh dear.

Have you read the CS scammer warnings, Snooks?

Do you know anything about dating site scams?

RE: Hypothetical situation

Been there, done that, stayed in this life to look after my daughter.

I don't think my daughter and granddaughter are ready for me to go adventuring yet.

RE: Victim Blaming

Okay, thanks for replying DeeDee. hug

RE: Victim Blaming

Understanding the dynamic is not the same as excusing the behaviour.

Somebody once said to me, when you get to the stage when you'd gladly throw your insomniac, ADHD, colicky baby out of the window, it's okay to make her safe and walk away until you calm down. She understood the dynamic of my situation.

Would the death penalty after the event have been a better solution?

RE: Victim Blaming

I want to modify my analogy.

It's more like popping the blisters and running away because victimisation of perpetrators facilitates the life cycle of the disease.

RE: Victim Blaming

I'd like to comment on the phrase 'victim mentality' which I've heard numerous times on these forums.

It's a peach.

It seems that not only do victims get blamed for the harm done to them, they get blamed for the consequent impact on their psychology.

It seems like we don't want to hear of victims, but only survivors. I can't help, but wonder if the element of surviving which people want to hear is 'it doesn't matter, look how it hasn't had an impact on me'. Isn't that in itself seeking out a certain abdication of responsibility for the perpetrator?

Are we unable, or unwilling to take some personal responsibility ourselves in providing a safe space where people can work through the emotional consequences of victimisation?

American Accents...

Thankyou, Karl.

The city I grew up in was tiny and worked on the Australian model as it was described to me - three accents - the broad (local) accent, the milder version and Received Pronunciation.

Thinking about the capital city of Wales, UK Cardiff, where I have also lived, it occurred to me it's much the same, except for the many immigrant populations.

It then occurred to me that I've heard a fourth Australian accent through the media - the indigenous aboriginal version of Australian English.

Specifically, the film Rabbit Proof Fence comes to mind, the story of three sisters who successfully escaped an orphanage back to their mother during the period of, what would you call it? Ethnic cleansing?

I'm finding it rather profound that the description of accents in Australia related to me maybe 30 years ago ignored the indigenous population and it's taken me this long to fill in the dots.

American Accents...

Hello Mimi. wave

Stalk KB until she gives in and treats you to a vocaroo sample of her voice. You'll love her. laugh

RE: Jealousy in a relationship is caused by lack of trust !

Err, yuck.

American Accents...

KB! shock

What a thoroughly British attempt to dissemble your embarrassment!

Well done, old bean. grin

American Accents...

Thanks for the links, Track and Kattte.

As I can't access them, I can't come up with a better response than this. moping

RE: Jealousy in a relationship is caused by lack of trust !

@Lookin2share...

It sounds like melodrama to me. laugh

Just because someone doesn't put the back of their hand to their anguished brow, doesn't mean they don't have feelings.

Jealousy can be a horrible destructive emotion, the acting out thereof utterly useless. You can't control other people, but you can work with your own psyche.

If someone betrays your trust, you grieve, you heal, you move on. Jealousy isn't going to stop them, nor will it make the betrayal go away.

American Accents...

I don't know what you're talking about, Life's a Dream. giggle

American Accents...

I'm astounded, DeeDee!

I'm pretty sure I can hear the Royals dashed clearly, although it is a very long time since I've had a television, so maybe the need to lipread wasn't so great back then. dunno

I think perhaps their general stillness and lack of effusiveness is more to do with the etiquette of being dignitaries, than security. I'd imagine they're more likely primed not to speak about sensitive information where they might be overlooked, than speak like ventriloquists so they can discuss national secrets in mixed company. laugh

The Queen does, however, have a German accent. It's subtle, but most definitely there all the same. Most people don't realise this.

My mum was unaware until I pointed it out. She was under the impression she was knowing ze qveen's English better than the English. Out of the mouths of mums...

American Accents...

The voices from the other side of the pond which immediately sprung to mind in conversation with my colleague were Ocee, 2Intrigued, Stringman and of course yours, KB.

Lilting away in my head, it is exactly as you describe. Spot on. laugh

American Accents...

I've been known to listen to one of Radio One's programmes dedicated to a black music genre I can't recall.

I didn't like the tunes, could barely understand a word said, but the lilting patois was music to my ears. laugh

American Accents...

Test her on house numbers, Molly. laugh

Hello DeeDee. wave

Like yourself, I'm a fairly good mimick, or when in more serious conversation a verbal accommodater - the term academics use to describe speaking to someone in their own accent.

It's supposed to be a social skill, putting others at ease with acceptance and accommodation, or presumably, integrating yourself.

It's the only source of anguish I have with my increasing deafness. I'm finding it progressively more difficult to hear and mimick accents.

American Accents...

Can you tell which Street someone comes from, Molly? giggle

There's a running joke in these parts that if you come from the next village you're a foreigner, but the accents don't vary quite that widely.

They probably do from county to county, the same as in Ireland, though.

In England, many cities have unique accents, but some English cities are probably more populous than Welsh counties.

There are some American cities more populous than the entire country of Wales, I believe. I wonder how accents vary there.

I've heard Australia only has three accents. I can't understand how that's possible. laugh

American Accents...

Welcome to the forums, skinthemule. wave

I'm chuffed to have enticed a newbie. I don't create threads very often and even less often are they ones which posters are interested in replying to. laugh

That's an interesting comment you've made about migration. You've expanded my knowledge, thankyou.

American Accents...

I'm one of those Welshies who speaks with an English accent, sometimes accused of being from the North of England, sometimes from London and sometimes simply 'posh', well spoken, or 'speaking tidy' associated with Southern English Received Pronunciation.

Unless I'm in England where old friends ask me where I got my Welsh accent. laugh

Like every country, there are many accents. Along the Welsh/English boarder English in Wales is influenced by the saesnegs over the border. In parts of Gwent the accent sounds like a cross between Welsh Valleys and West Country and a North Walian friend has a definite Liverpudlian lilt to her English, despite being a native Welsh speaker.

American Accents...

Note my comment about my gymnastic eyebrows in my op, Molly - I don't find the Southern States accent aggressive, either. Unless spoken with aggression, of course.

The entrancing voice of Martin Luther King comes to mind.

Interestingly, I find the Czech student difficult to hear, not only because he's so quietly spoken, but because he hardly moves his mouth at all for me to lipread. Any speech by comparison is going to come across as forced and forceful, simply by virtue of utilising the occasional calorie. laugh

American Accents...

A Welsh student speaks and moves incredibly slowly like the sloth character in the animation Zootropolis. (I've seen way too many kids films through no fault, or design of my own.)

I thought maybe she was on some kind of medication until recently I overheard someone else speaking in the same manner. blushing laugh

I think it might be a North Walian accent, English largely being a second language. The Welsh (Cwmraeg) spoken in the North is somewhat different from that in the South, where Cwmraeg is largely the second language.

American Accents...

I forget Newfoundland is a rather big place. laugh

Where is the film The Shipping News situated and are the accents authentic? (Be careful what you say about our Dame July Dench here - international relations could depend upon it.)

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