Anyone can discuss a subject objectively. You have no right to exclude anyone from this discussion on the grounds that they are not victims.
Philosophers, lawyers, logicians, bus drivers, anyone is entitled to enter into a debate about the death penalty.
It doesn't have to be an emotional debate, although feelings have their place. Some of us can separate our personal experience and our grief because understanding how things happen is the best chance we have of creating change and protecting others.
I cannot protect the dead. I cannot change the past.
I can liberate my soul from vengance. I can heal. I can promote a better way of life than murder.
I don't need your approval to fight for what is right.
I'm pretty sure I would have my grandfather's, though.
It also implies that men have expectations placed upon them, but not necessarily by women.
I'm sure most fancy businesses aren't going to complain about media images projecting the idea that dates must be fancy to be acceptable, or successful.
Care, thought, effort, pleasant surroundings, a certain amount of privacy, presumably quiet.
I'd much prefer that to a busy indoor restaurant with strangers hovering around asking me if everything was alright just as a green bean had flipped sideways in my mouth.
And isn't the company the whole point of a date?
Although I baulk at shooting rats at the local dump, it would be the company of someone who wanted to shoot rats for fun that would bother me most.
If the business of government is to reduce violence then state sanctioned murder isn't their business.
Euthanasia is a misnomer when applied to the death penalty. Using that word and lethal injection methods sanitises the violent act of murder. If I slipped a heap of crushed pills in someone's curry, or injected them with an overdose of heroine resulting in coma and death, I wouldn't get done for euthanasia, I'd get done for murder.
As for the inhumanity of a life sentence without parole versus the death penalty, some people fight to have a death sentence commuted to a life sentence, a few give up their appeals in a bid to die. There is an element of personal experience related to which one is the most intolerable.
I think it's fairly safe to say that both life and death sentences are inhumane, so what is the prevalence of both all about? I get that removing people from society is a necessary evil if they are dangerous and likely to reoffend; I get that letting people back into society can be traumatic for victims, but life and death penalties aren't only about safety.
I suspect very few people require whole life tariffs for safety reasons, so we inflict these inhumanities for other reasons. Political reasons, power and control, revenge, anger, hatred. Very little of our penal system is actually about justice.
"Most of my clients can't even spell the word 'deterrent'..." ~ Clive Stafford Smith
This clip is a bit long, but it's about grief, dignity and the liberation of the soul. If I were to lose my daughter, this is what I would choose for my grandchildren. I would not choose hatred and revenge in some misguided idea that it would beneficial to a dead person. I would choose to live because it would be selfish to leave my grandchildren deal with their grief on their own.
Did you know that the death certificates of the executed in the US cite homicide as the cause of death?
Your argument is circular, or would be if the murder of the perpetrator wasn't state sanctioned.
I've been trying to find a particularly poignant interview with a Texas executioner who didn't come away unscathed from his experiences, but perhaps more disturbing is the executioner who remains unaffected. That would suggest a certain psychopathy.
Is it ethical to expect a person to be traumatised by performing executions, or to allow someone psychopathic to do them?
For me, as it is for many people, the death penalty would be a greater burden.
I don't believe murder is justifiable. The death penalty is not self-defence.
I would not want the stress the appeals process lasting for decades hanging over me. It's a lot more difficult to appeal a life sentence than it is a death sentence.
At my age, the chances are I would die before the execution, so it would be a never ending process for the rest of my life. I think my life sentence would be difficult enough without having to deal with a death sentence.
How come you get to decide that it gives victims closure?
It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
The plastic is sometimes impregnated with preservatives which leach into the water.
That's why some of them have a label on saying not to reuse the bottle.
The spring water isn't as much as a health issue as the toxic plastic.
Tap water is chlorinated which is like bleaching your innards. It can play havoc with the gut flora and lead to all sorts of health problems.
Filtered water left to stand for a few hours to allow the chlorine to evaporate and then stored in a reusable container is probably the best, unless you happen to have a well on your property.
They weren't hedgehog flavoured crisps, they were Hedgehog Crisps (the brand) Original Flavour (herbs and salt).
They went bust because people thought they were flavoured with hedgehogs and campaigned against the company, but actually they donated a percentage of the price to a hedgehog charity.
My lurcher was short haired, too. He was often mistaken for a Greyhound.
He was the last rescue dog I had and if I ever adopt another, I think I'd gravitate towards the Lurchers in the pound. Such a nice natured bunch of chaps and chapesses.
I'd have to get a smaller one, mind. At some point I'm just not going to able to lift a poorly, or old 30 kilo dog.
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RE: Has anyone had a Catheter inserted........
I'm sure I've been told by more than one bloke that it hurts coming out.I've been catheterised once for surgery. It's the only bit of the op I didn't feel.