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These are the only sources I can find online for your claim, other than direct CDC sources which appear to say no such thing.
The CDC information does say there is no evidence that covid is efficiently airborne like rubella, or chicken pox, but can be passed via close contact, airborne droplets over distances of 6", through coughing, singing, shouting, in enclosed, unventilated areas, etc. It also says that it can go undetected by testing given it can take up to 14 days to incubate.
The restrictions keep changing here and may vary across Wales.
We started a 'circuit breaker' on Friday night for at least two weeks. I'm confined to my borough which includes lots of small towns and villages, but can't go outside the area. I can childmind my grandchildren a couple of villages away, but with no unnecessary journeys, I can't visit my family socially.
Non-essential shops are closed again and those that are open can only sell essential items. I can go to the grocery store to buy food, toiletries, medicines, but can't pick up kids toys, clothing, or any gifts. I think it will go on for more than two weeks to stop Christmas shopping in person.
I'm too chronically fatigued and in pain to care much about the restrictions. It's just nice that I get to spend time with my grandchildren at least once a week when I babysit. I didn't see my family for four months earlier on the year, so as far as I'm concerned it's an improvement.
Eight months of solitude isn't ideal, but it's not too awful, either. I'm more frustrated by the post-viral symptoms I'm experiencing than I am the ever changing lockdown.
How is it going for you and your new furry foreman?
Don't panic! You're still a bit on the feral side.
I often sleep with heavy rain and thunder sounds (a bit deeper than pink noise) because it drowns out my tinnitus. I can't hear the higher pitched, softer sounds of light rain, or wind soughing through trees.
I think wind in the trees is called pink noise (deeper than white noise) and it appears to reduce brain waves, aiding relaxation, focus and stable sleep.
I have noticed that leaving the vents open does seem to make a difference with respect to moisture in my flat. I still need to open my windows regularly in poor weather conditions, but it's for light condensation on the panes, rather than water pooling on the sills.
I don't feel I'm being pushed too hard being required to wear a mask, socially distance and wash my hands.
Even with our current 'circuit breaker' regulations, it's a lot more relaxed than the 'stay at home' order we had in the spring.
I think perhaps those who are protesting haven't been infected, haven't had symptoms, or aren't long haulers (not that long haulers would have the energy, nor desire to experience the physical pain of going on a protest).
You know when a family member, or colleague gets ill and you dismiss their whining...and then you get the cold yourself and become aware of how terrible they felt? I don't know how we can communicate to people how horrible covid is and how we don't want others to have a bad experience.
It seems these things are very difficult to communicate, so it's inevitable that there will be some people who can't get their heads round an 'invisable' threat to their well-being.
Sometimes the wind closes my windows up here on the mountain, sometimes I need to keep fast moving, horizontal rain out of my flat.
It's pretty stormy up here today, but each opening window has a vent (always open) and a secure catch to keep the window open a centimeter.
I moved here in February and for a few weeks the weather was too violent to have the windows open. I'd pick my moments and open all the windows for 10 minutes to refresh the air. It's best to do this as soon after waking as possible, or my mother tells me, before putting on the heating as the temperature of fresh air rises more efficiently.
I got away with putting on the heating for an hour, 2-3 times a week doing that, just to keep the place dry.
If the place is fresh and dry, cold can be managed with clothing, or bedding if sitting still.
If this seems Draconian, it's the norm for many who are on too low an income to afford heating bills and luxury compared to the many living on the streets.
What is notably lacking in this thread is any discussion about the mechanisms of addiction.
The arguments against legalising pychoactive substances are largely emotional and melodramatic.
Without understanding why some people use psychoactive substances recreationally and in moderation, whilst others develop addiction, it's just unproductive sensationalism.
Unless, of course, sensationalism is an addiction for some.
The pandemic didn't make him an inappropriate choice.
He would have been a self-serving, day time TV entertainer who was over his head, virus, or no virus.
He was showing signs of dangerousness and a desire to breach constitutional law before covid-19.
It's difficult to say what might have happened without the pandemic, but I suspect he might have found any number of ways of bringing about chaos, disharmony and hardship to the US citizens.
To actually answer your question and stay on topic, it doesn't really matter whether we can prove that masks help prevent the spread, or acquiring the infection.
If there is a possibility, then we should.
Logic would dictate that they do help, given covering the mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing is something we have always done.
The hypothesis I'm most interested in is the idea that viral load may be linked to severity of disease symptoms. If wearing a mask might reduce viral load to the point of mild symptoms, or asymptomatic infection, it's possible that mask wearing could lead to herd immunity with fewer severe cases, long haulers and deaths.
Mask wearing may be key to improving the economic situation if we can avoid overwhelming healthcare systems and the need for lockdown.
As I see it, the only thing we have to lose from wearing masks is comfort and pride. Nobody revels in wearing an uncomfortable mask and I reckon people who use the niqab as a symbol for anti-Muslim sentiment are feeling pretty stupid right now.
I'm hearing impaired, I rely on lip reading and I wear reading glasses. I get uncomfortably hot when the weather goes above 10C. I really, really don't like wearing a mask and I appreciate that wearing one for an 8 hour, or 12 hour shift must be really difficult. I think we need to look at making masks that are more comfortable and making sure people get frequent breaks from wearing them.
I think there are perhaps a number of things going on and I have a few suggestions.
As above, some may refute the cause of death. Your extreme example may not be that extreme - what if someone has a catastrophic event due to covid infection whilst driving? I've heard many reports saying hospital patients, I think particularly young people, can be fine one minute and then suddenly become critical. Might that sort of scenario be contested in court?
There have been other suggestions that healthcare gains extra funding for each covid related death. That doesn't necessarily mean obviously unrelated deaths are being recorded fraudulently, but perhaps like Mendel's peas there is an incentive to record unclear cases as definitely being covid related.
How much is the 'person shot in the head recorded as a covid death' scenario misinformation, propaganda, or 'Chinese whispers'? Are genuine fraudulent claims being blown out of proportion, like the insignificant historical incidence of voter fraud being used to suppress voting by mail in the US?
Here in the UK about 5,000 cases were taken off our covid death toll with the introduction of new guidelines: people have to die within 28 days of a positive test for covid to cited on the death certificate. Given the growing information about us long haulers, not to mention the people who hold on in ICU for months, is it possible that covid related deaths are under recorded? How about those who die at home without ever having had a test?
I was ill in April, I contacted the NHS online and followed the instructions according to the symptoms I had. I have no doubt that I had covid, the instructions I followed were as if I had covid, but I have not seen a healthcare professional and I have not been tested. My illness, like so many other people's, won't be recorded in the statistics as a result.
I suspect that it's possible that some deaths are recorded as covid related when they are not, some are not recorded as covid related when they are, they may cancel each other out, or there may be a skew in one direction. This could be due to the novelty of the virus, pandemic conditions and muddling our way through.
However, given Trump's attitude of 'testing makes me look bad', China's government possibly not wanting to 'lose face' and a general tendency of leaders/governments wanting to retain power, my money is on under, rather than over reporting.
'Flu season peaks between December and February in the UK. It can begin in October and run until May.
The last 'flu season in the UK officially ran from 1st October 2019 to 4th April 2020; the first covid infection was recorded in late January.
Given the pandemic largely missed the last 'flu season, a whole year's data with respect to deaths will give a more accurate picture of the increased deaths due to covid.
However, lockdowns, self-isolating, quarantining, unemployment, social distancing, masks and hand washing/increased hygiene will likely effect the transmission of 'flu in the coming season as well as covid.
To suggest that an absence of 'flu deaths largely out of 'flu season accounts for the covid deaths which are really 'flu, and without including the upcoming 'flu season beginning in 2020 is a leap of logic.
You're misrepresenting the information, confusing 'cause' with 'mechanism'.
People do not magically drop dead from picking up the virus.
The virus causes disease.
If I have cystic fibrosis, become infected with covid, develop respiratory disease and die, covid is the cause of death, respiratory disease the mechanism.
The cystic fibrosis will have left me more vulnerable to dying from disease caused by covid infection, but without the covid infection I'd still be alive at this point in time.
Cystic fibrosis is not the cause of death.
Everyone who dies as a result of covid will have a disease mechanism - respiratory disease, organ failure, blood clots, etc. That does not mean a death caused by covid should be registered according to the mechanism alone if covid set off the train of catastrophic health events.
The single major mechanism of death in cancer patients is infection and infection is a contributory factor in the majority of cancer deaths. We don't pretend those infections had nothing to do with the cancer, nor that cancer doesn't exist.
It's not that we don't have a sense of humour, it's that we have a dry, melodramatic sense of humour which other cultures take seriously.
We take the piss out of anything and everything. Being half British, I'm accustomed to being more blatant about my piss-taking, or explaining myself in terms of UK stereotyping of German culture, rather than actual German culture. That's fine, we're at home with self-deprecating humour - we have certain oddities, but understand the value of those oddities so it's not a threat to make fun of them.
My family would be in the queue before me given my daughter is an essential worker.
I've been unemployed throughout the pandemic, I can completely self-isolate if necessary and I've had it, so may still have anti-bodies. I can ride this out a little longer.
Some 620 NHS and care worker deaths have been linked to covid. It's about priorities, eh?
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RE: This is what I had for dinner tonight.
Blimey Gal, unless those are miniature portions, there's enough there for a couple of days.