You might try bumping this thread over night (post the word 'bump', or anything) so it appears on US member's homepages when they are more likely to be online.
I think it's late afternoon to early evening on that side of the pond and many people will still be in work.
Of course I flirt, I live in the UK. It's a way of life over here more commonly known as bantering. Here's how the great British art of flirting works:
Each party insults, teases and generally winds up the other, regardless of age, gender, or species. If one party is interested, they might up the game a little. The interested response is to also up the game, the disinterested response is to downplay a little.
The changes are subtle and almost imperceptible, but it allows people to approach and back off without loss of face, or causing offence.
Mostly, however, it's just a lot of fun which no one takes seriously.
Police officers aren't above the law. If they break the law, they have to face the consequences just like everyone else. Assault is against the law.
And of course police officers are role models. We all are. I can't help thinking no wonder kids in the US behave badly if that's the example they're set to follow.
As for teaching my daughter not to use her mobile phone in class, when there was a school rule about turning it off, the teachers taught her that rule. When she was in art college she used it in class all the time for internet access for research purposes as her teacher required. It wasn't up to me to say when she could and couldn't use it - it was up to the school, or college and her tutors.
You say it's people's choice, but you original post was so disparaging about cliques, you didn't leave a helluva lot of wiggle room to invite differing opinions. That's kinda reflected in the initial responses you got.
It's almost as if your original lack of neutrality is excluding people you don't want in your group.
Ya see how easy it is to perceive and label something from an outside perspective that has nothing to do with the intent behind the action?
It kinda begs the question, who gets to define a friendship group as a clique?
I think I know the time you're referring to and I got to see a bit of several sides to that story.
Your perception of what happened might not be the perception of others. I think it was a complex set of interactions involving a number of different parties, including the mods.
It could have been handled better by a number of different people, or groups of people, but ultimately it was about a group of people from all over the world who wanted to maintain contact with each other. There's no need to resent that.
I don't see how the second video exonerates the police officer.
The student understandably hit out after he grabbed her around her neck.
It was a pathetic little girly paw punch at a well built bloke who coaches football. I doubt he even felt it, particularly as he didn't appear to react to it.
He, on the other hand threw her about like a rag doll for being naughty in class.
I wonder if the students' protest involved another element, such as they were irritated by this girl's (maybe longterm) disruptive behaviour, or had a dislike for her, rather than being objective about an appropriate, or ethical way for professionals to behave towards minors.
a small close-knit group of people who do not readily allow others to join them.
If a small group of people are close friends, does that necessarily mean that they are weak? Does it necessarily mean they are afraid to do things on their own?
If someone is afraid to do things on their own does that mean they're weak? Would a surgeon be a weak person if s/he was afraid to carry out emergency surgery without their theatre team?
How about this business of not readily allowing others to join them? Is that the reality, or the perception of others viewing the friendshp dynamic from the outside? If it is the reality, don't a close group of friends have the right to socialise together as they please?
You will always get groups of people gravitating together either because of circumstances, because they are like-minded, or because they have a common interest.
Why resent, or derogate others for their friendship groups?
Especially if you don't particularly like that group of people - let them get on with it!
I think women who don't have children are often heavily judged.
I think that women who do have children are often heavily judged.
I realise you had no intention of creating judgement with this thread Serena, but it seems to have crept in anyway.
Maybe as women we might take the lead in creating change. Maybe we could be mindful of our reactions and our use of language to promote acceptance of each other's circumstances and choices.
And to answer your question, whilst I would have rather my daughter hadn't rearranged my internal organs for her own convenience, whilst financially/materially life has been a bit scary at times and whilst sometimes I would dearly love to sit in silence, there's no way in hell I would ever swap any of that, or anything else for my family.
"His best-known miracle is said to have taken place when he was preaching in the middle of a large crowd at the Synod of Brefi: the village of Llanddewi Brefi stands on the spot where the ground on which he stood is reputed to have risen up to form a small hill. A white dove, which became his emblem, was seen settling on his shoulder. John Davies [Welsh historian and television/radio broadcaster] notes that one can scarcely conceive of any miracle more superfluous in that part of Wales than the creation of a new hill.
I think you've neglected to take into account that the police officer wasn't the only professional in the room. The teacher invited the police officer in and watched the apparent assault without intervening.
Also, for this situation ever to have arisen, there must be both school and policing policies and complicity. Professionals higher up both chains must have created, agreed and instituted protocols for the police to be involved.
As for the situation not happening if she had done as she was told, you're blaming a child victim for apparent violence against her. She didn't make the police officer assault her, it was his professional decision. He is the grown-up.
If the man and children had done something wrong, then that too should be considered through appropriate legal channels.
It wouldn't alter that the apparent assaults should also be considered through appropriate legal channels.
If a child throws stones through the church windows, it wouldn't be justifiable for an adult to kick them. You'd still expect the adult to face the consequences of their inappropriate/illegal actions.
As I understand it, the police usually have the right to apprehend and grab a suspect. They don't have the right to kick, or otherwise hurt people including children, unless there is an issue of immediate danger.
I don't think journalists have the right to kick, trip and hurt people including children, either.
I suppose there might have been a busy main road, or cliff just out of view of the cameras that the masked journalist was trying to save those people from running into, or over, but it would be difficult to justify those kind of actions (rather than using arm flapping movements) even in those circumstances, wouldn't it?
Putting aside the issue of appropriate punishment (I won't go further than to say this situation should be subject to the appropriate legal procedures), I disagree with you that it's comparable to an assault on a Saturday night after the pubs have closed, assuming the latter involved only adults.
I don't think objecting to children being kicked, or dropped has anything to do with the current refugee situation, either. For me, the focus should be the issue of assault, particularly assaulting minors.
I'm particularly confused by your "...especially women" comment in relation to the journalist kicking the girl child.
I didn't mean that the journalist covering her face might be an issue for the authorities per se, and I don't think I implied that in any way.
I'm just curious as to why someone who appears to have committed assault had her face covered with a bandanna. It raises the question of premeditation for me.
Can you put this comment in some kind of context for me, please?
What are you wondering and how does that relate to what appeared to happen in Hungary?
Yes, it would be interesting, but it wouldn't alter the fact that children were hurt because of the violent acts of this journalist. Like I said earlier, background information may help us (and the apparent perpetrator) understand and process her actions, but it doesn't excuse them.
Oh, and to answer the thread question, I don't know if she should have a custodial sentence, but I do think this apparent set of assaults and child abuses should be subject to appropriate legal procedure.
What is the time frame for babbling out every detail of your life before an information-sharing oversight becomes a secret and just how much detail do you want? .
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You might try bumping this thread over night (post the word 'bump', or anything) so it appears on US member's homepages when they are more likely to be online.I think it's late afternoon to early evening on that side of the pond and many people will still be in work.
Good luck with your search.