Refugees and HUMAN RIGHTS

To my fellow citizens of the blog world.

What can you make up of this? Please let me know what you think and feel we should do, considering our position on the immigration laws. Under human rights programs, should we be obligated to extend our hands? When do we say no? Or shouldn't we?

Thanks all for your reads.

Just received this today.


Human Rights


Dear Phyllis,


Children threatened and alone. Mothers desperately looking for help. Every day, families in search of protection are sent to detention centers near the U.S.-Mexico border. Many of these vulnerable people may have legal claims as refugees. It’s a critical moment for justice.

You can help.

Human Rights First has long stood as a leader in refugee representation. We try to make sure that everyone gets a fair hearing and due process by matching pro bono attorneys with refugees in need.

And we’ve been successfully working with refugees for decades:

We’ve had a hand in nearly every major piece of human rights legislation in the United States, including the Refugee Act of 1980, the Torture Victim Protection Act of 1991, and the Refugee Crisis in Iraq Act.
Thirty years ago, when the United States launched an unprecedented program of mandatory detention of Haitian boat people arriving in Florida, we helped secure the release of 1,800 refugees after finding volunteer lawyers to represent them.
Starting in 2012, we hosted meaningful dialogues across the country on the state of the immigration detention system. From Los Angeles to New Orleans, from Phoenix to Austin, the dialogues brought together unlikely partners to apply lessons learned from criminal justice reform to the immigration detention system.
Last year alone, we provided legal services worth more than $30 million to more than 900 refugees, winning more than 90 percent of our cases.
This year, we expanded our award-winning program to Houston to serve the needs of the local immigrant community.
We’ve been reporting from the border and the detention centers so that no one can forget the people who are waiting for our help. The U.S. government isn’t taking care of these families. We must.
It’s hard to imagine another organization better positioned to help in this crisis. You can reach out to those seeking safety, justice and a new life in the United States.

Please support our refugee protection work by making a gift to Human Rights First today.

Warm regards,

Elisa Massimino
President and CEO

P.S. Thanks to the generosity of The Atlantic Philanthropies, any new or increased gifts will be matched.

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Comments (55)

LJ,
I don't think this is an easy call. First of all, the illegals broke the law. We have too many illegals in our country as it is. This is a large burden on the American people. When do we say enough is enough? Personally, I am for sending these people back to the countries they came from. That may sound heartless but we cannot continue to try and handle the world's problems.
It took me a long time to ponder on this one Jim and I came up with the hard and different decision to agree with you. Enough is enough and I will cut off my contribution because yes, first laws are broken. Second, just how much can we accommodate, third who will say that it will ever end?

Thanks.
Lindsy/GJ wave

I agree with GJ. They need to be returned to their country, which of course will cost us money. They need to demonstrate in their countries for their needs, as they do here in our country. Recently, the Hispanics (many undocumented) demonstrated in front of ICE, then walked to the White House demonstrating about immigration reform. How can they demand on our soil what they want? You can come to the US legally, instead they choose to risk their lives crossing rivers...pay lots of money to be transported to the US. It's crazy what they do to make it here...and some don't. I'm rambling now. Immigration is a big issue here...they are costing us money...most eventually figure out that it is not easy to live here either as they were told or assumed. I do feel bad for them.
I think everybody needs to be very careful here about conflating the terms 'refugee' and 'immigrant', lest this just become an outlet for general xenophobia.
The majority are just looking for an easier or better life. They think the grass is greener where they are heading. In my opinion, enough is enough....no country can support the daily influx of immigrants....sigh wave
People look down on Refugees with dispise malcontent thay are seen as criminals and bad-elements...

The Refugees goes to jail and get drowned at sea

But what makes one become a Refugee in the first place ??

When will we talk about giving these people a better chance to make a better life for them-selfes in their own country ?

When will we stop the wars ?

The Refugees is not going away only we dont want him in our back yard..
Fly, the US cannot afford all of these people! We need to put a stop to this! Let some of these other countries take these people into there communities.
Hi Gentlejim,

Perhaps you'd like to take a look at the following list:



You'll see the the US is only the 10th highest and barely takes in more refugees than much smaller, European nations such as France and the UK.
Jim the US is not the only country with refeugees here in the Netherlans we have refugees.

One does not fix a broken pipeline with only a bucket.

What are the causes people to become refugees in the frist place ?

I think this what we should ask our self.
@PRdreaming, you say they're paying lots of money (and some of those money are either from credit or properties sold or mortgaged). Hence they've got the resources to even finance a small business adventure in their own locality, no need to go elsewhere. But because of some rags to riches cinderalla boy or girl stories, yes the grass is greener over the fence. Never did they realize the real story behind. Hope Japan would learn from American and European experience. And those illegal immigrants when theirs is made legal aren't they're asked to pay retroactive city and national taxes since they've been enjoying social services like good roads and waste collection without fail. While me, when dismissed/resigned from work have to continue paying off else I'd get a visit from somebody in the City Hall or a repeated notice from the mailbox or even phone. the problem with the illegal immigrants are they're mostly shameless creatures asserting human rights when in the first place they're not humane enough to think the backbreaking jobs legals have to bear just to pay taxes on time and help the freeloaders.sigh
Not so long ago there was alot of boat people from Vietnam ,Tamales Cubans,and many more,

For the record I am not talking about freeloders or illegal immigarants.
Patrick thanks but it us what it is. Besides the war, this is the most pressing and most challenging issues we have today.

We can't ignore the ongoing restless and inability of our lawmakers to find a solution that doesn't conflict with human rights. But who's to say Yes, let's accommodate them without negative ramifications?
Cal, imagine this, CHINA is Z very small country, you can only take so much. In 1980s, all the rich Shieks, Saudi billionaires were buying prime land there. It was stopped, they passed the law establishing generations of citizenship to purchase.
I agree with you.
No legal papers, no entry for ANY illegal alien. Not just the Hispanics who seemed to have been made synonymous with "illegal alien".
Fly first of all, I'm not into the social rebuke, I'm into the economic and legal effects on the hosting country.

Now I do agree with you that it will never stop. Now with 7 billion population and about 80 percent of that are living in inhuman conditions. I don't know how to create a program where we can all feel good about extending our kindness and compassion.
Typo error didn't mean China Cal, meant CH or Switzerland, is a very small country and yes its the most desirable place for human to live.
Refugee is a political concept originally created to extend our hands to those we destroyed against communism. US for Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and the middle east. But today it's grown to a multitude of helping illegal immigrants. Question? Right or wrong?
Jim more expense for our taxes. Yet social services are sacrificed.
Tatami, I'm so sorry yet it's true.
Ed I'm so agreeing with you.
Lindsyjones.. Good blog. The topic of immigration is very difficult and controversial .however, I agree with Flyjames and Patrick that we should try and help some of these mostly kids who are coming here for help.

The United States is a country of immigrant. For many years people with religious , political and other needs have been welcome. We have heard about the "Mayflower" and the " Potato famine story" now it's the "Central American Children Story." What if these children were Canadian? Would it be ok to have them.

Lindsyjones, I think what you have done to help these refugees is quite noble.
Benny my first love was to be a human rights lawyer, got thwarted with the political side of discouraging red tape. Then education was most effective in helping people which I have devoted for the best part of my life.
Now I'm truly into human rights as activist, but now this movement has become embroiled with other political illnesses and just getting more and more complex.
I'd like to answer this comment of yours:

"Refugee is a political concept originally created to extend our hands to those we destroyed against communism. US for Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and the middle east."

That's a bizarre statement.

It's from French. Refugié, and means "to take shelter, protect". It was first applied to French Huguenots who migrated after the revocation (1685) of the Edict of Nantes. The word meant "one seeking asylum".
(don't trust me, trust google)
Patrick I couldn't agree more, yes in all technically it is, and I was wrong in my terminology because in fact Asylum is the key word which I explained on my first comments, only it's expanded its services to so many bizarre use now including but not limited to Illegal migration.
And yes it's so easy to get all the semantics in order but in all practical usage, hardly asylum is its least of use today.

Just read the letter sent to me.
In which case, I think we should stop abusing 'refugee' as all-encompassing term when, in fact, it has a very specific, known, meaning.

We should be very precise with the language we use when speaking about such delicate topics. Otherwise, we end up making lazy assumptions about very important issues.

You said earlier that "it is what it is"

Let's make sure it also 'isn't what it is'.

I hate to sound like a stuck record, but this really does matter.
Evolution Patrick. Almost all terminologies have evolved and yet it doesn't discredit the original meaning. On this letter about refugees sent to me, there's nothing on the asylum purpose AZ they're mostly children. Now I agree with you on being careful but the truth of the matter is, this letter comes from a very big and legitimate organization called HUMAN RIGHTS. Let me ask you, why are the immigration authorities involved and vehemently want them thrown out? Can you tell me? And this is why this letter is sent to me? I never made those words, it was directed to me, all I need to know is how do we feel and think about it?
wave LJ, I think to be associated with this organisation is a fact to be proud of as who else will voice the grievances of the refugee.

One must remember that being a refugee is not by choice.wine
Luke... Your response was smartly put. Lindyjones, please continue your work. You are doing great.
Luke... Your response was smartly put. Lindyjones, please continue your work. You are doing great.
I thought I had made it clear that I was replying not to the letter, but to subsequent comments. Perhaps not.

The charity sounds like it does good work in supporting people with the often prohibitively high legal fees.
Patrick not to confuse with my blog for any political correctness. Just my question if I would continue on my commitment to help which I am inclined to do.
Benny I do and will.
Thanks.
lind
What a conundrum...I understand the need to help and also understand the reasons why it is a problem to act...the US are inundated with refugee claimants and how many can the citizens afford?...the economy is still in need of recovery and many are unemployed there...perhaps it should be a global effort?...monetary wise and such...we all need to help people from dire situations regardless whether it is political or poverty problem...
When you look into the politics of who can or can't take in the refugees, whether we can afford to take them in or not there will be nothing to compare with the dilemma that they find themselves in. Homeless, pennyless, lost family etc so their need will always be greater because it is often a case of life or death.

We would have to put ourselves in their shoes before we judge.
Lou my friend, when we look at problems it does concern two sides, the one who benefits at who's expense and those that couldn't care less.

The country that accommodate these people are by any means must have resources to provide them. No doubt USA has quite an abundance except now according to this letter dropped this responsibility for whatever reason.
It seems only the human rights organization is the one footing the bill at the moment. Not only don't the government ignore them anymore, worse the immigration law stepped in classifying them as illegal entrants and therefore must be returned.

If we help them and make it easy, of course who is to stop the world.
QUESTION: When will it end? How much of the private sector can do to assist this noble task. I'm sure Bill Gates has an opening ear. I hope.
Absolutely rain, in fact they're worse than living dead if you ask me.
Just to share an idea of what the US Refugee camps were like, there were no guns or other weapons allowed inside the camps. Nevertheless I confiscated about 10 - 20 implements like this a week from various bad folk awaiting their Refugee Visa. This is typical of what I seized and was made in their US taxpayer furnished barracks in the wee hours of the morning. I am very sad to say very little I did inside the camps or investigative reports I wrote had any impact whatsoever as to whether or not some guy guy who stabbed 3 people in the camp got his Visa to leave the camps. What happened in the camps usually stayed in the camps and had zero impact on the Visa process to my great sorrow.

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Sixty seven thousand arrived by boat from north Africa so far this her in Italy.
The sad thing is , they get processed and are left on the street to fend for themselves. There is no support financially here. They are entitled to Free health care , but without an address they cannot get the card.
Many kids are abbandoned by their parents or often single mums Who just cannot cope. Many refugees from Africa here tell horror stories of how bad life in Italy is for a refugee.
Most admit it was better back home from where they came .
I feel sorry for them , i cannot help wondering how it would be if America instead of spending the billions of dollars a day on war, to instead spend it on infrastructure in needy countries how that might not be a better solution.
I have experienced life in a country that did accept many thousands of refugees from Vietnam back in the seventies , Australia i would say has had a positive result over all with its Vietnamese refugees. The kids of the back then refugees are doing very well today. They educated their kids , worked very hard for themselves mostly ....Made good citizens of their new country . I thInk of the Vietnamese as a very welcome people in Australia , i have high praise and great respect for what they achieved,
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