Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
Class5: I'm just marking your posts as I would mark any first year student's work. It saddens me to say that you're not quite up to that standard yet and you need to relinquish your prejudices before you can consider yourself a student of history. You have a long way to go, but if you apply yourself, there is no reason you can't do it.
Oh I thought you were Analysing the posts, not just marking.
Anyways. Let me know when you're done, So that you may be guided as per your wish! Also, don't forget to 'Analyze/Mark" the post citing the Impeachment in US Charter of Independence.
r3y5a6: The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
Israel is never an authority to allow Palestine to be an independent state. Israel is a bully that prey on the weak and cower to the strong. It must return all the occupied territory to their rightful owners for peace to prevail.We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
maxmate1: Oh I thought you were Analysing the posts, not just marking.
Anyways. Let me know when you're done, So that you may be guided as per your wish! Also, don't forget to 'Analyze/Mark" the post citing the Impeachment in US Charter of Independence.
Anyways. Let me know when you're done, So that you may be guided as per your wish! Also, don't forget to 'Analyze/Mark" the post citing the Impeachment in US Charter of Independence.
Well, if you read them you'll find I'm doing both. I don't really expect you to take the time to do that, not if your recent history on this site is any indication of your behaviour. Detailed analysis is easy for you have not provided much historical detail and you completely lack any form of referencing and citation. As to the impeachment charge you keep going on about, I will get there in time, just be patient, the world doesn't revolve around you.
maxmate1: The reall (sp.) Irony is that some people can not be told to grow up. Hardly anymore room available!
Now, calm yourself. There is no need to get so wound up. Actually, that cannot really be considered 'irony' as such, but 'obstinate'.
Class5: Now, calm yourself. There is no need to get so wound up. Actually, that cannot really be considered 'irony' as such, but 'obstinate'.
Okay Class. You finally have my attention.
I am very happy with you right now, as you are doing exactly what I told you, which is, READ POSTS< DON'T mock around. At least you are reading, late though, but you are learning.
Now go back please, finish up your work and let me know. So that I can educate you the way you wish! Be precise and quick as you may not have my attention for long.
maxmate1: Comepletely (sp.) rubbish. It was not the Arabs that persecuted Jews over the last 1000 years. It were the Europeans. The so called Holocaust was done by Arabs you mean?
And Islam does not teach any persecution for Jews or for any religion. Prove it. You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
And Islam does not teach any persecution for Jews or for any religion. Prove it. You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
You have misinterpreted the lady's post. She is referring to the charter of Hamas which calls for the obliteration and dissolution of Israel:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
maxmate1: Wow! If your premise is agreed with. Then you actually refuted the whole UN181 (creation of Israel) where all neighbors/residents of Palentine (sp.) and Arab world voted AGAINST it. THe ones voted FOR it, were not even related to the continent. REST of the world as you put it, had no business in it.
You are clearly forgetting the Mandate given after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Territory occupied by Mehmet I simply went to the victors of WWI. You seem to think that the UN is an independent body, where in reality, it comprises member states from around the globe. remember that the countries that voted against the resolution were members as well. You seem to be having some trouble here.
maxmate1: I have no respect for anyone of any religion who aims to persecute ANYONE of another race or religion. And Muslims don't have a goal to persecute Jews whom Europe already persecuted so much.
Unlike your personal interpretation of others' posts, no-one else does either. To your second point, now we both know that isn't eally true, don't we (see above: Hamas charter)?
maxmate1: Everyone has a right to pursue their religion, worship and to exist in peace, regardless of cast, creed and religion. EVERYONE.
Again, I don't think you'll find anyone here to dispute that fact, for it's a universal belief among civilised peoples.
maxmate1: Israel needs to learn that, before persecuting Palestinians in every way after occupying their land. Israel itself is in violation of the very UN181 that made it exist. That's real ironic.
The above fails to acknowledge the so-called 'persecution' of the Israelis by the Arabs. The conflict and its attendant cycle of violence is a two-way street. Israel's violation of 181 would not have anything to do with the constant unrest and terrorism inflicted upon them? That is a rhetorical question by the way.
maxmate1: You seem confused yourself on what you are arguing about.
As do you, however, it is understandable owing to your circumstances.
maxmate1: Okay Class. You finally have my attention.
Irrelevant, as I don't care.
maxmate1: I am very happy with you right now, as you are doing exactly what I told you, which is, READ POSTS< DON'T mock around. At least you are reading, late though, but you are learning.
Your egomania is quite risible. I don't care if you're happy with me or not. You are in no position to tell me what to do. Are you a CS dictator? I have nothing to learn from you as I majored in History and you aren't very good at it. Now, calm down and learn something. Read and do try to improve your comprehension, for understanding my responses requires such.
maxmate1: Now go back please, finish up your work and let me know. So that I can educate you the way you wish! Be precise and quick as you may not have my attention for long.
I will with or without your permission as it is not required. As to your limited attention span, that does not surprise me and more to the point, nor does it interest me. Please try to keep a clear head for this.
Class5: Irrelevant, as I don't care. Your egomania is quite risible. I don't care if you're happy with me or not. You are in no position to tell me what to do. Are you a CS dictator? I have nothing to learn from you as I majored in History and you aren't very good at it. Now, calm down and learn something. Read and do try to improve your comprehension, for understanding my responses requires such.
I will with or without your permission as it is not required. As to your limited attention span, that does not surprise me and more to the point, nor does it interest me. Please try to keep a clear head for this.
I will with or without your permission as it is not required. As to your limited attention span, that does not surprise me and more to the point, nor does it interest me. Please try to keep a clear head for this.
Ok. I admit I was wrong about you. You are the same mocking-class still. Shouldn't have given you any attention at all. My bad!
As for your "childish" commentary on my posts, is not even funny. You are just acting like a proof-reader. A simple spell-check software does a better job.
Try employing reasoning, logic while countering mine. Only, my extempore and "off-the-cuff" analysis beats your long preparattions, as it seems you spent quite a long time reading and then coming up with hilarious commentary. Poorly done though!
So far, am not impressed. But let me know when you finish so that you may be given guidance on your ignorant and whimsical rant.
maxmate1: I have already explained in great detail, through my posts#671,678,680,706 and 707,, the imperial pattern of divide and rule.
Actually, the detail was rather poor and any contention was built upon emotional content as opposed to any authentic historical fact.
maxmate1: In continuity of which let's have a look at the US Declaration of Independence, 80% of which is a charge sheet against KING George of Britain..Exactly an impeachment for trial..
It is difficult to ascertain what you are trying to prove by introducing this irrelevance. I suspect you are trying to use this document as an example of British perfidy, or more accurately, knowing your obsession, that of the monarchy. You need to put this in perspective. The issue of taxation sparked a colonial rebellion which ultimately brought independence to the American colony. How you interpret this document is based upon how you view the conflict.
maxmate1: So America was made, nations around the globe, more than half of global population, had "Riddance" of tyranny. UN181 will be redeemed too....for truth and justice prevail eventually!
Tyranny? Many nations within the Commonwealth did not suffer tyranny. This statement is more emotional rhetoric than anything else.
Class5: Irrelevant, as I don't care. Your egomania is quite risible. I don't care if you're happy with me or not. You are in no position to tell me what to do. Are you a CS dictator? I have nothing to learn from you as I majored in History and you aren't very good at it. Now, calm down and learn something. Read and do try to improve your comprehension, for understanding my responses requires such.
I will with or without your permission as it is not required. As to your limited attention span, that does not surprise me and more to the point, nor does it interest me. Please try to keep a clear head for this.
I will with or without your permission as it is not required. As to your limited attention span, that does not surprise me and more to the point, nor does it interest me. Please try to keep a clear head for this.
I read with interest the past two pages. Maxy your argument has been totally discredited.
I really need not comment as all your assertions have been thoroughly and completely destroyed.
Love your assertions on the Israeli's breaking the 181 resolution.
The Arabs did that exactly the minute t was effective.
Care to tell me a story on that?
The Aras have continually attcked and threatened Israel (and lost always) Is that not breaking 181.
Hamas and even worse Iran have always clearly stated they would wipe Israel from the face of the earth. Now is tht a peaceful approach.
Sad to say even today continual Rocket and suicide bombers (an Islamic specialty) are inflicted on Israel.
Real peace will never come if you continue to threaten A SOVEREIGN STATE.
Maxy the world made Israel and gave lands to all The Arabs got the vast majority Fact and refused to accept 181 and declared war.....YOU LOST total shock and you displaced your own people and they have been ever since.
You brought this situation on your own heads and have made it worse with war after war which of course YOU LOST.
Face the fact Arabs have continually attacked and LOST.
Yet you still scream it is Israel's fault.
Totally wrong.
And all your rantings about IMPERILISM have been blown out of the water by so many times and over the last two pages Class has taught you a history lesson.
Get real Maxy 181 is valid accept it and live in peace and stop using the Displaced Arabs (palestinians) as a club give these poor folk some help, something the Ara states have never done since the got displaced in 48.
Sad Maxy tour ignorance and your bias shows you in a bad light.
And of course your research was shown to be totally biased and ignorant in your rush to justify your attack on the Jews.
Just sad, peace will never happen with folk like you around.
maxmate1: Ok. I admit I was wrong about you. You are the same mocking-class still. Shouldn't have given you any attention at all. My bad!
Then feel free to ignore me. Actually, I'd prefer it if you did.
maxmate1: As for your "childish" commentary on my posts, is not even funny. You are just acting like a proof-reader. A simple spell-check software does a better job.
Clearly, you haven't read the comments, just as I expected you not to. There is more historical content in my analysis, than your original posts if you take the time to read and comprehend them. However, it doesn't matter either way.
maxmate1: Try employing reasoning, logic while countering mine. Only, my extempore and "off-the-cuff" analysis beats your long preparattions, as it seems you spent quite a long time reading and then coming up with hilarious commentary. Poorly done though!
See my paragraph above for it is clear that you haven't read my comments, therefore you can't really be in a position to judge their content. Furthermore, this has been light entertainment while I go about my daily business, and it took no time at all, so, don't worry yourself on that score.
maxmate1: So far, am not impressed. But let me know when you finish so that you may be given guidance on your ignorant and whimsical rant.
You can start now if you like. Again, see my comments above for your insults have no validity as you clearly haven't read nor comprehended my posts.
maxmate1: Keeping focussed on the "charge sheet" in the Declaration of Indepence (sp.), against the British Monarch, resulting in the creation of USA. Similar are the stories of all nations that got rid if the tyrannical imperial rule, which was not only restricted to India and Africa, but Arab world, South East Asia, West Indies, Americas and Europe.
In actual fact, most nations of the Commonwealth were awarded independence and rarely fought for it.
maxmate1: Now laws that they imposed were rejected, which they thought were illegal, according to their laws, but nations did not surrender. Nations questioned those Imperial laws, faught (sp.)against them and gained independence back.
This paragraph is poorly expressed, thus the meaning is unclear. Please revise.
maxmate1: All collective loss of human lives, (gr. collective is singular, therefore it should read 'loss of human life') during the course of many wars, insurgencies to gain freedom back, would be attributed to the oppressor and not to the oppressed. The number of human lives lost is another debate, millions though!
You fail to explain adequately what you mean here and your point remains unclear. Furthermore, you are unable to qualify the figures you quote. Please provide sources.
maxmate1: Now UN181 was hatched through the same "Illegally Legal ways" they mastered more than anyone. UN181, which one day will be corrected (hoping and praying peacefully) for the Unearned suffering is, indeed, redemptive. Always. History proves it over and over again.
Again, the meaning within this paragraph is unclear. It contains faulty English logic you employed on an earlier occasion (i.e. illegally legal), however, moving on, any peaceful reversion to former times is impossible.
Class5: Actually, the detail was rather poor and any contention was built upon emotional content as opposed to any authentic historical fact. 
Let's summarize your entire hardwork in a nutshell below. I will teach you with examples, how an authentic historical fact, is NOT emotional content.
Class5: It is difficult to ascertain what you are trying to prove by introducing this irrelevance. I suspect you are trying to use this document as an example of British perfidy, or more accurately, knowing your obsession, that of the monarchy.
Proof-read well.
Yes, clearly. The Imperial (illegal) colonisations of soveriegn coutries and it's further atrocities and usurpation of people's rights in occupied territories, is highlighted already. Secondly, the "NEW IMPERIALISM" is the derivative of the Original Imperialism that plagued others too. See post#449 of this thread, containing a document, dated 2nd November 1917 from the Imperials to Rothschild. Clears confusion about Imperian plans that hatched later in the form of UN181.
Class5: You need to put this in perspective. The issue of taxation sparked a colonial rebellion which ultimately brought independence to the American colony. How you interpret this document is based upon how you view the conflict.
Now let's analyse and compare your interpretation of a simple document , US Declaration of Independence, that impeached Imperialism.
"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
You Interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
Read the total impeachment here and continue "Interpreting" it as a taxation issue
The founders of US didn't say a taxation issue, but clearly counted all crimes SPECIFICALLY in the declaration of Independence. You have better comprehension sitting in Australia playing guitar?
Class5: Tyranny? Many nations within the Commonwealth did not suffer tyranny. This statement is more emotional rhetoric than anything else.
The nations occupied by colonisers are in question. Nothing to do with commonwealth.
Just one analysis of your flawed interpretation, revealed your poor comprehension of all valid posts of mine in this thread. What can I expect from an imbecile who can not EVEN read a simple Document, THE US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, the way it was written by the Authors, and has the audacity of wrapping their valid premise into a mere Taxation Issue? You are terming the creation of America as a result of TAXATION ISSUE? That's a serious allegation on the Founders of the United States of America.
You failed miserably yet again. That's no class of argumentative debate. Go back to school please and don't waste our time.
maxmate1: Let's summarize your entire hardwork in a nutshell below. I will teach you with examples, how an authentic historical fact, is NOT emotional content.
Proof-read well.
Yes, clearly. The Imperial (illegal) colonisations of soveriegn coutries and it's further atrocities and usurpation of people's rights in occupied territories, is highlighted already. Secondly, the "NEW IMPERIALISM" is the derivative of the Original Imperialism that plagued others too. See post#449 of this thread, containing a document, dated 2nd November 1917 from the Imperials to Rothschild. Clears confusion about Imperian plans that hatched later in the form of UN181.
Now let's analyse and compare your interpretation of a simple document , US Declaration of Independence, that impeached Imperialism.
"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
You Interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
Read the total impeachment here and continue "Interpreting" it as a taxation issue
The founders of US didn't say a taxation issue, but clearly counted all crimes SPECIFICALLY in the declaration of Independence. You have better comprehension sitting in Australia playing guitar?
The nations occupied by colonisers are in question. Nothing to do with commonwealth.
Just one analysis of your flawed interpretation, revealed your poor comprehension of all valid posts of mine in this thread. What can I expect from an imbecile who can not EVEN read a simple Document, THE US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, the way it was written by the Authors, and has the audacity of wrapping their valid premise into a mere Taxation Issue? You are terming the creation of America as a result of TAXATION ISSUE? That's a serious allegation on the Founders of the United States of America.
You failed miserably yet again. That's no class of argumentative debate. Go back to school please and don't waste our time.
Proof-read well.
Yes, clearly. The Imperial (illegal) colonisations of soveriegn coutries and it's further atrocities and usurpation of people's rights in occupied territories, is highlighted already. Secondly, the "NEW IMPERIALISM" is the derivative of the Original Imperialism that plagued others too. See post#449 of this thread, containing a document, dated 2nd November 1917 from the Imperials to Rothschild. Clears confusion about Imperian plans that hatched later in the form of UN181.
Now let's analyse and compare your interpretation of a simple document , US Declaration of Independence, that impeached Imperialism.
"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
You Interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
Read the total impeachment here and continue "Interpreting" it as a taxation issue
The founders of US didn't say a taxation issue, but clearly counted all crimes SPECIFICALLY in the declaration of Independence. You have better comprehension sitting in Australia playing guitar?
The nations occupied by colonisers are in question. Nothing to do with commonwealth.
Just one analysis of your flawed interpretation, revealed your poor comprehension of all valid posts of mine in this thread. What can I expect from an imbecile who can not EVEN read a simple Document, THE US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, the way it was written by the Authors, and has the audacity of wrapping their valid premise into a mere Taxation Issue? You are terming the creation of America as a result of TAXATION ISSUE? That's a serious allegation on the Founders of the United States of America.
You failed miserably yet again. That's no class of argumentative debate. Go back to school please and don't waste our time.
You don't qualify for even a gossip, let alone a debate. You, who thinks the United States became a country out of a taxation issue with Britain. You who reads the US Declaration Of Independence, as a Taxation issue.
Only you could have come up with such a ridiculous claim.
Go back to your proof-readings.
maxmate1: You don't qualify for even a gossip, let alone a debate. You, who thinks the United States became a country out of a taxation issue with Britain. You who reads the US Declaration Of Independence, as a Taxation issue.
Only you could have come up with such a ridiculous claim.
Go back to your proof-readings.
Only you could have come up with such a ridiculous claim.
Go back to your proof-readings.
Nope wrong again Maxy....
Never ever heard of the old saying from the 13 colonies:
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
And of course the Boston Tea Party and I suggest you look at the tax on tea for the colonists....
I suggest you go back to Kindergarten Maxy I lerned about them both before I was seven.
Sad Maxy just sad....
maxmate1: You don't qualify for even a gossip, let alone a debate. You, who thinks the United States became a country out of a taxation issue with Britain. You who reads the US Declaration Of Independence, as a Taxation issue.
Only you could have come up with such a ridiculous claim.
Go back to your proof-readings.
Only you could have come up with such a ridiculous claim.
Go back to your proof-readings.
It's an utter disgrace for me, debating with such a drought of basic intellect. Please don't insult my argumentative posts anymore with your exteremely limited brain-function. I refuse to give you any more of my quality attention.
Though it was a freedom of religion issue to why they left England, in the 1620's the numbers of people grew as the King did raise taxes even though the economy was hurting. I know that there are many Americans that do not agree with the taxation that is enforced in this present day, they say it is unconstitutional.. I am not so sure they are wrong. Taxation is another way to get our money and control people. I think it is known as taxation without representation. ~ ok, back to the feud.
patmac: Nope wrong again Maxy....
Never ever heard of the old saying from the 13 colonies:
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATIONAnd of course the Boston Tea Party and I suggest you look at the tax on tea for the colonists....
I suggest you go back to Kindergarten Maxy I lerned about them both before I was seven.Sad Maxy just sad....
Never ever heard of the old saying from the 13 colonies:
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATIONAnd of course the Boston Tea Party and I suggest you look at the tax on tea for the colonists....
I suggest you go back to Kindergarten Maxy I lerned about them both before I was seven.Sad Maxy just sad....
Wow!
Taxation is the Right of a worthy government able to give it's people their rights. The Declaration of Independence impeached the very malpractices of an unworthy colonist, declared Independence and started collecting taxes themselves.The premise for Declaration of Indepence was seeking RIGHTS and ending INJUSTICE, and not about Taxation.
You continue to amaze me.
maxmate1: It's an utter disgrace for me, debating with such a drought of basic intellect. Please don't insult my argumentative posts anymore with your exteremely limited brain-function. I refuse to give you any more of my quality attention.
Quoting yourself again Maxy. Shows the weakness of your argument.
Like to see you refute the statement:
No Taxation Without Representation.
Some 300 million Americans who are very proud (rightly so)would soon be on your case.
The American colonists at that time fought for freedom from taxation and the Boston Tea Party is along with Paul Revere's ride very famous.
Funny an intelligentman like you has never read the basic tenants of the begining of the fight for independance for the Colonist of the 13 colonies soon to become the United States of America.
Oh and so was a wee Scots lad John Paul Jones the father of the American Navy....He gave the British a slap or two as well.
Sad Maxy Sad
maxmate1: Wow! Taxation is the Right of a worthy government able to give it's people their rights. The Declaration of Independence impeached the very malpractices of an unworthy colonist, declared Independence and started collecting taxes themselves.
The premise for Declaration of Indepence was seeking RIGHTS and ending INJUSTICE, and not about Taxation.
You continue to amaze me.
The premise for Declaration of Indepence was seeking RIGHTS and ending INJUSTICE, and not about Taxation.
You continue to amaze me.
To educate some more, All governments collect taxes, (Tax Revenue)to run the state and use it to provide promised services and rights to it's citizens and protect them along with the territoroal borders.
It is Governance in question. Not Taxes. US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE assumed self governance (independence) from an unworthy and tyrannic rule, counting all wrong-doings, one by one, in the historical document validating and justifying the very action of claiming Independence.
maxmate1: Let's summarize your entire hardwork in a nutshell below. I will teach you examples, how an authentic historical fact, is NOT emotional content.
It wasn't that hard, believe me.
maxmate1: Proof-read well.
Of course.
maxmate1: Yes, clearly. The Imperial (illegal) colonisations of soveriegn coutries (sp.)and it's further atrocities and usurpation of people's rights in occupied territories, is highlighted already. Secondly, the "NEW IMPERIALISM" is the derivative of the Original Imperialism plagued others too. See post#449 of this thread, containing a document, dated 2nd Nov 1917 from the Imperials to Rothschild. Clears confusion about Imperian plans that hatched later in the form of UN181.
The Balfour declaration as the document is known was the original recommendation and bears no relation to the UN resolution as it merely was the precursor to the events that unfolded over the next decades. To extrapolate that this document proves British 'connivance' in the UN resolution is mere fantasy. It would seem that the confusion rests with you. Furthermore, just take the time to read up on new imperialism before you dismiss it so prosaically.
maxmate1: Now let's analyse and compare your interpretation of a simple document , US Declaration of Independence, impeached Imperialism.
"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
You Interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
You Interpret: It is a taxation issue.
No, the original cause of the war was a taxation issue.
maxmate1: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
See above. You appear to be clutching at straws here.
maxmate1: "He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
You interpret: It is a taxation issue.
See above.
maxmate1: Read the total impeachment here and continue "Interpreting" it as a taxation issue
The founders of US didn't say a taxation issue, but clearly counted all crimes SPECIFICALLY in the declaration of Independence. You have better comprehension sitting in Australia playing guitar?
The founders of US didn't say a taxation issue, but clearly counted all crimes SPECIFICALLY in the declaration of Independence. You have better comprehension sitting in Australia playing guitar?
You have clearly misunderstood the issue, however, at least you made an effort. My comprehension is clearly not in question here.
maxmate1: The nations occupied by colonisers are in question. Nothing to do with commonwealth.
The former British Empire is the Commonwealth and was for most of the 20th century.
maxmate1: Just one analysis of your flawed interpretation, revealed your poor comprehension of all valid posts of mine in this thread. What can I expect from an imbecile who can not EVEN read a simple Document, THE US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, the way it was written by the Authors, and has the audacity of wrapping their valid premise into a mere Taxation Issue? You are terming the creation of America as a result of TAXATION ISSUE? That's a serious allegation on the Founders of the United States of America.
Please revise the causus belli.
maxmate1: You failed miserably yet again. That's no class of argumentative debate. Go back to school please and don't waste our time.
It would appear that I over estimated your ability in this area. Your comprehension is entirely lacking and you can't even interpret a simple post.
maxmate1: Wow! Taxation is the Right of a worthy government able to give it's people their rights. The Declaration of Independence impeached the very malpractices of an unworthy colonist, declared Independence and started collecting taxes themselves.
The premise for Declaration of Indepence was seeking RIGHTS and ending INJUSTICE, and not about Taxation.
You continue to amaze me.
The premise for Declaration of Indepence was seeking RIGHTS and ending INJUSTICE, and not about Taxation.
You continue to amaze me.
Pat is, of course, right. It is you who completely miss the point, however, that has been a universal failing in your post history.
maxmate1: To educate some more, All governments collect taxes, (Tax Revenue)to run the state and use it to provide promised services and rights to it's citizens and protect them along with the territoroal borders.
It is Governance in question. Not Taxes. US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE assumed self governance (independence) from an unworthy and tyrannic rule, counting all wrong-doings, one by one, in the historical document validating and justifying the very action of claiming Independence.
It is Governance in question. Not Taxes. US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE assumed self governance (independence) from an unworthy and tyrannic rule, counting all wrong-doings, one by one, in the historical document validating and justifying the very action of claiming Independence.
Talking to yourself again Maxy.
Mind you you are probably the only one who believes what you are rambling on about.
Fact Maxy if the colonists had got the representation the were due and wanted so badly then the American war of Independance would not have happened when it did.
It would have course been inevitable as America outgrew Britain and that is a plain and simple fact.
Sad the way you cannot try to refute the fact it was
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Just sad Maxy.
Mind you all this OBFUSCATION takes us away from the point of the thread:
181 is Valid Maxy live with it.
maxmate1: To educate some more, All governments collect taxes, (Tax Revenue)to run the state and use it to provide promised services and rights to it's citizens and protect them along with the territoroal borders.
That is obvious, but you seem to misunderstand the cause of the war. Do they not teach this in your schools?
maxmate1: It is Governance in question. Not Taxes. US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE assumed self governance (independence) from an unworthy and tyrannic rule, counting all wrong-doings, one by one, in the historical document validating and justifying the very action of claiming Independence.
Taxation is a feature of governance, or do you think it exists in a vacuum? You need to investigate what actually sparked the rebellion, but I suspect you have no real interest in that, for it would not serve your malicious agenda.
patmac: Quoting yourself again Maxy. Shows the weakness of your argument.
Like to see you refute the statement:
No Taxation Without Representation.
Some 300 million Americans who are very proud (rightly so)would soon be on your case.
The American colonists at that time fought for freedom from taxation and the Boston Tea Party is along with Paul Revere's ride very famous.
Funny an intelligentman like you has never read the basic tenants of the begining of the fight for independance for the Colonist of the 13 colonies soon to become the United States of America.
Oh and so was a wee Scots lad John Paul Jones the father of the American Navy....He gave the British a slap or two as well.
Sad Maxy Sad
Like to see you refute the statement:
No Taxation Without Representation.
Some 300 million Americans who are very proud (rightly so)would soon be on your case.
The American colonists at that time fought for freedom from taxation and the Boston Tea Party is along with Paul Revere's ride very famous.
Funny an intelligentman like you has never read the basic tenants of the begining of the fight for independance for the Colonist of the 13 colonies soon to become the United States of America.
Oh and so was a wee Scots lad John Paul Jones the father of the American Navy....He gave the British a slap or two as well.
Sad Maxy Sad
Refusing to pay taxes was a MEANS, not a CAUSE, to fight for Independence. The CAUSES are all highlighted in the Declaration of Independence.
Read the CAUSES Again, before blaming the American Founding Fathers!
CAUSE: "He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
CAUSE: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
CAUSE:"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
CAUSE: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
MEANS: No taxes without representation. We would collect ourselves for ourselves and spend ourselves by Declaraing Independence due to the CAUSES above.
Read Read Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
Seriously! your premise is extremly funny!
maxmate1: It's an utter disgrace for me, debating with such a drought of basic intellect. Please don't insult my argumentative posts anymore with your exteremely limited brain-function. I refuse to give you any more of my quality attention.
It is evident that you debate with a drought of basic intellect (pun intended). You insult your own posts with poor research. As for your refusal to participate in this debate, that is your right, and your absence would make for a quality discussion.
maxmate1: Refusing to pay taxes was a MEANS, not a CAUSE, to fight for Independence. The CAUSES are all highlighted in the Declaration of Independence.
Read the CAUSES Again, before blaming the American Founding Fathers!
CAUSE: "He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
CAUSE: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
CAUSE:"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
CAUSE: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
MEANS: No taxes without representation. We would collect ourselves for ourselves and spend ourselves by Declaraing Independence due to the CAUSES above.
Read Read Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
Seriously! your premise is extremly funny!
Read the CAUSES Again, before blaming the American Founding Fathers!
CAUSE: "He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
CAUSE: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
CAUSE:"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
CAUSE: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
MEANS: No taxes without representation. We would collect ourselves for ourselves and spend ourselves by Declaraing Independence due to the CAUSES above.
Read Read Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
Seriously! your premise is extremly funny!
You really are making a fool of yourself here. Everyone knows the old war-cry, 'No taxation without representation', except for yourself, of course. I suggest you check into this before you make a bigger fool of yourself on these pages.
maxmate1: Refusing to pay taxes was a MEANS, not a CAUSE, to fight for Independence. The CAUSES are all highlighted in the Declaration of Independence.
Read the CAUSES Again, before blaming the American Founding Fathers!
CAUSE: "He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
CAUSE: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
CAUSE:"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
CAUSE: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
MEANS: No taxes without representation. We would collect ourselves for ourselves and spend ourselves by Declaraing Independence due to the CAUSES above.
Read Read Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
Seriously! your premise is extremly funny!
Read the CAUSES Again, before blaming the American Founding Fathers!
CAUSE: "He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "
CAUSE: "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"
CAUSE:"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."
CAUSE: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"
MEANS: No taxes without representation. We would collect ourselves for ourselves and spend ourselves by Declaraing Independence due to the CAUSES above.
Read Read Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
Seriously! your premise is extremly funny!
Biggest load of rubbish you have posted for AGES Maxy.
The Colonists were in revolt over Taxation long efore it came to war and Far Far longer than the Declaration of independance.
So wrong of you to twist the facts to suit your argument.
But that is of course your normal routine.
As is your obfuscation and your total denial of the Validity of 181 and the Birth of the Sovereign State of Israel
You lost the point on both arguments Maxy and your juvenile attempt to drag the point away from the main discussion of the thread shows your weakness.
Class destroyed all your points as did so many other folk but still you twist,Deny and obfuscate.
Sad Maxy Sad.
Nikogas: Though it was a freedom of religion issue to why they left England, in the 1620's the numbers of people grew as the King did raise taxes even though the economy was hurting. I know that there are many Americans that do not agree with the taxation that is enforced in this present day, they say it is unconstitutional.. I am not so sure they are wrong. Taxation is another way to get our money and control people. I think it is known as taxation without representation. ~ ok, back to the feud.
Folk left Britain for America long before the Pilgrim Fathers.
And the Pilgrims were part of the colonists of the 13 colonies.
They owed their allegiance to the Crown, and did obey the British. Until the slow realisation of the erosion of their rights and the overtaxation by the Crown...Then the fun began.
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No, I never denied that (except for China, for that is clearly incorrect). You seem to have a problem reading and comprehending the simplest of English.
Please see my comments and refutations. Furthermore, your claim that your material "is all truth" lacks any academic validity owing to the highly biased content.
Please calm yourself. No-one is denying New Imperialism of the 19th century existed. That belief that posters are denying such a thing is all in your mind. However, in the case of China, you are clearly misinformed. You seem to lack the comprehension required to discern between facts and emotional editorial content. As to your last point, I care not to extrapolate on your thoughts.
Now, now, calm yourself young man, there is no need for such poor behaviour.
The rant above is not worthy of a mark as it is nothing more than a diatribe containing mere invective. Therefore, as a piece of historiography, it is clearly a poor effort.