Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
maxmate1: Typical Class5 response, resorting to personal insults yet again. You got so irritated by the fact that I busted your twisted lies again and again? Worm? tsk tsk!
Come on, eat your words here....
Please don't attempt to twist anymore.
Sing a sing to Niko and Patty....
Come on, eat your words here....
Please don't attempt to twist anymore.
Sing a sing to Niko and Patty....
Well, you give me cause don't you. Re-read my post and comprehend what is written. It is not that difficult. Just do it boy!Max, in your opinion, where do you see Israel and the Middle East in say 10 years time?
ttom500: I suspect you are talking about resident CS loon here.
With just a bit of recent news...to end this thread with. In the thicking plot of the middle east world of today. A Iranian legislator said publicaly....."that Iran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb."
So....all.....article 181, Balfour agreements, declaration of independence, historical colonization of America Africa,and the Holy Land aside. If Iran get the nuc, and the Palestines get a country. Does anyone doubt Iran will not take the credit for forcing the world (and Israel) to give them a country?
Even thought the idea has been around since the late 1970s.
Because that is how I see this playing out.
Signing off, your resident CS loon.
With just a bit of recent news...to end this thread with. In the thicking plot of the middle east world of today. A Iranian legislator said publicaly....."that Iran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb."
So....all.....article 181, Balfour agreements, declaration of independence, historical colonization of America Africa,and the Holy Land aside. If Iran get the nuc, and the Palestines get a country. Does anyone doubt Iran will not take the credit for forcing the world (and Israel) to give them a country?
Even thought the idea has been around since the late 1970s.
Because that is how I see this playing out.
Signing off, your resident CS loon.
Hi Tom, not Ray this time, but the other one. Do you believe Israel will bow down to pressure from Iran? You're no loon.
FYI...from the American revolutionary war perspective.
Illegal taxation was only one of the issues that led to the declaration of independence.It was also being forced to have British red coats living in their home,forced to sell them food and grain, being tried in Crown courts, losing their weapons that were needed to defend against indian attack and lost of freedom of speech and press that were major issue to the declaration of independence as well.
From those issue and concerns....came the rights granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Illegal taxation was only one of the issues that led to the declaration of independence.It was also being forced to have British red coats living in their home,forced to sell them food and grain, being tried in Crown courts, losing their weapons that were needed to defend against indian attack and lost of freedom of speech and press that were major issue to the declaration of independence as well.
From those issue and concerns....came the rights granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Class5: Hi Tom, not Ray this time, but the other one. Do you believe Israel will bow down to pressure from Iran? You're no loon.
I don't see that. Israel knows that even after the first Iran test, that like NKorea. Iran will have a very limited number of nuc. So? Why bow down? When that first nuc pops in Iran. World opinion will change very quickly.
ttom500: FYI...from the American revolutionary war perspective.
Illegal taxation was only one of the issues that led to the declaration of independence.It was also being forced to have British red coats living in their home,forced to sell them food and grain, being tried in Crown courts, losing their weapons that were needed to defend against indian attack and lost of freedom of speech and press that were major issue to the declaration of independence as well.
From those issue and concerns....came the rights granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Illegal taxation was only one of the issues that led to the declaration of independence.It was also being forced to have British red coats living in their home,forced to sell them food and grain, being tried in Crown courts, losing their weapons that were needed to defend against indian attack and lost of freedom of speech and press that were major issue to the declaration of independence as well.
From those issue and concerns....came the rights granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
True, but we are making the distinction between the Declaration of Independence and the spark that ignited the war. True, there were many issues linked to the grievances of the colonists, but the impetus was provided buy the new tax laws that were to be introduced. The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.
ttom500: I don't see that. Israel knows that even after the first Iran test, that like NKorea. Iran will have a very limited number of nuc. So? Why bow down? When that first nuc pops in Iran. World opinion will change very quickly.
Yes it would. However, I don't think Israel would be too keen on letting one fly. World public opinion still matters and it would only be a last resort to a direct threat from Iran don't you think?
Class5: True, but we are making the distinction between the Declaration of Independence and the spark that ignited the war. True, there were many issues linked to the grievances of the colonists, but the impetus was provided buy the new tax laws that were to be introduced. The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.
Sure we went to the Boston Harbor and dumped the tea and it was over the tax on it. But we did not dress up like American Indians without a secondary message to the Boston Tea party being given to the English.
Britain was actually treating American Indians better than his majesty's crown citizens in American then. They wanted the same right that the American Indian was being given.....you did not see red coat living in Indian tee pees. They were not talking about taking away Indian bows and arrow and tomahawks. The Indians could start a fire and make smoke signals to communicate. )) Indians were not being forced to sell food and grain to the red coats.
Just some of my revolutionary forefather humor there.....maybe you all missed it in England.)) The joke does not translate well. Until you have been in indian attack.
Class5: Sorry, I misunderstood your post. When you stated 'the first nuke pops in Iran' I thought you meant delivered by Israel, not a domestic test.
I was thinking test. But if the first Iranian nuc pops in Israel. All bets are off. Expect a total nuclear response on Iran. Heck include the Figian nuclear device in the response even.))
ttom500: Sure we went to the Boston Harbor and dumped the tea and it was over the tax on it. But we did not dress up like American Indians without a secondary message to the Boston Tea party being given to the English.
Britain was actually treating American Indians better than his majesty's crown citizens in American then. They wanted the same right that the American Indian was being given.....you did not see red coat living in Indian tee pees. They were not talking about taking away Indian bows and arrow and tomahawks. The Indians could start a fire and make smoke signals to communicate. )) Indians were not being forced to sell food and grain to the red coats.
Just some of my revolutionary forefather humor there.....maybe you all missed it in England.)) The joke does not translate well. Until you have been in indian attack.
Britain was actually treating American Indians better than his majesty's crown citizens in American then. They wanted the same right that the American Indian was being given.....you did not see red coat living in Indian tee pees. They were not talking about taking away Indian bows and arrow and tomahawks. The Indians could start a fire and make smoke signals to communicate. )) Indians were not being forced to sell food and grain to the red coats.
Just some of my revolutionary forefather humor there.....maybe you all missed it in England.)) The joke does not translate well. Until you have been in indian attack.
LOL I'm not English. Why do so many on here make that assumption? The symbolism of the Tea Party is interesting in its historical context. The requisitioning of grain, enforced billeting of troops; gun prohibition, press ganging and increased exises clearly indicate that Britain wished to squeeze the colonies for every cent.
There was a depression in Britain at the time and everyone suffered the same privation and deprivations.
You realise with the loss of the American colony, Australia was founded to further similar interests. But this country was harsh and didn't offer much incentive.
ttom500: I was thinking test. But if the first Iranian nuc pops in Israel. All bets are off. Expect a total nuclear response on Iran. Heck include the Figian nuclear device in the response even.))
I agree completely. With the first test, the Iranian nuclear programme will be finished. There'll be a policy of no tolerance.
come on guys... two more pages... don`t give up now...chop-chop, pronto...
robel: Max, in your opinion, where do you see Israel and the Middle East in say 10 years time?
If i may answer you ,....
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility.
Oh don't tell the IAEA 
In March 1964, Mr. Armstrong wrote a letter discussing the catastrophic economic conditions that would plague the U.S. and Britain in the end time. “If the dollar is devalued, inflation will almost surely result,” he wrote, “and eventual economic collapse for the United States” (co-worker letter, March 26, 1964; emphasis added throughout).
Referring to prophecies such as those in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, he continued: “Those of you who truly believe the prophecies of your Bible know such economic collapse is prophesied to happen! … We have shown how God prophesied a virtual trade war will get under way against the United States and Britain—and how our national economics will falter, and then collapse!”
Referring to prophecies such as those in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, he continued: “Those of you who truly believe the prophecies of your Bible know such economic collapse is prophesied to happen! … We have shown how God prophesied a virtual trade war will get under way against the United States and Britain—and how our national economics will falter, and then collapse!”
FirasLion: If i may answer you ,....
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
Does that include african american crack addicts?Do they have a house in europe?Where they come from.
Boban1: come on guys... two more pages... don`t give up now...chop-chop, pronto...
have they solved the worlds problems, yes yes yes
Nikogas: Yeah, I know I was being somewhat general there Pat, I was merely taking that one slice. My point was that there were more issues than just the religious ones. I do wonder though if those people back then realized what their idea of "Freedom of Religion" would equate to a few hundred years later. I bet they would have never guessed..LOL..
Glad you decided to participate though Pat, "181" pretty plain and to the point.
Glad you decided to participate though Pat, "181" pretty plain and to the point.
Oh I reckon we are snging from the same hymn book. Just a shame we cannot have resonable discussionon the point of the thread. Maxy has twisted,obfuscated and lied throughout.
America we all apart from Maxy lad all agree on it was a myriad of reasons but the Tax broke the back of the colonists duty or perceived duty to the crown.
That however was pure obfuscation and Maxy dragged us all into that point.
Historical or even better Hysterical argument aside 181 is valid and the fact the Arabs refuse to accept it is the biggest stumbling block to peace.
As is of course the totally foolish notion that SOME Arabs hold that Israel should not exist.
Israel is and always will be a Sovereign State recognised by the UN.
That folks is the end of the story.
see this all dates back before we were born..example my god is the real god and he is on our side
FirasLion: If i may answer you ,....
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
eh ???
I thought you wanted to offer an answer to my question?
Are you seriously suggesting that at some point in the future and due to the collapse of the US economy that Israel will cease to exist?
And when you say "them" who are you referring to?
"So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too"
Please explain this notion of yours further.
FirasLion: If i may answer you ,....
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
It depend on the US economy when they fall,there will be no billions of dollars to fund them.So all of them will be back to Europe,they have second houses and its their origin too.
They can't defend themselves form all 300 nuclear warheads in Dimona nuclear facility. Oh don't tell the IAEA
So, let me translate this.
The US economy will fail, Israel will cease to have financial backing and all Israelis will be forced to move to their investment properties in Europe.
Iran has 300 nuclear warheads that only you and a 'select' few know about, and yet you're divulging this intelligence on a dating site.
Ok, dude...
stringman: In March 1964, Mr. Armstrong wrote a letter discussing the catastrophic economic conditions that would plague the U.S. and Britain in the end time. “If the dollar is devalued, inflation will almost surely result,” he wrote, “and eventual economic collapse for the United States” (co-worker letter, March 26, 1964; emphasis added throughout).
Referring to prophecies such as those in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, he continued: “Those of you who truly believe the prophecies of your Bible know such economic collapse is prophesied to happen! … We have shown how God prophesied a virtual trade war will get under way against the United States and Britain—and how our national economics will falter, and then collapse!”
Referring to prophecies such as those in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, he continued: “Those of you who truly believe the prophecies of your Bible know such economic collapse is prophesied to happen! … We have shown how God prophesied a virtual trade war will get under way against the United States and Britain—and how our national economics will falter, and then collapse!”
Amen Brother!
Class5: So, let me translate this.
The US economy will fail, Israel will cease to have financial backing and all Israelis will be forced to move to their investment properties in Europe.
Iran has 300 nuclear warheads that only you and a 'select' few know about, and yet you're divulging this intelligence on a dating site.Ok, dude...
The US economy will fail, Israel will cease to have financial backing and all Israelis will be forced to move to their investment properties in Europe.
Iran has 300 nuclear warheads that only you and a 'select' few know about, and yet you're divulging this intelligence on a dating site.Ok, dude...
Had to check the date when I read that one.....It's not the first of April....Curious
patmac: Had to check the date when I read that one.....It's not the first of April....Curious
We get 'em all here don't we Pat.
Class5: We get 'em all here don't we Pat.
Yep, old Uncle Tom Cobley an' all....
patmac: Yep, old Uncle Tom Cobley an' all....
Wish more people would take notice of the tolerance post by C.S. staff at the bottom of the page.
But then again if they can't read a post correctly
patmac: Yep, old Uncle Tom Cobley an' all....
Hehe, and some, well, they just have...
Boban1: come on guys... two more pages... don`t give up now...chop-chop, pronto...
My fingers are tired, Boban. I got blistered on them now from this thread.
ttom500: My fingers are tired, Boban. I got blistered on them now from this thread.
Last post will be mine...
Boban1: Last post will be mine...
Oh no it won't.
The last word is AMEN.
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I suspect you are talking about resident CS loon here.
With just a bit of recent news...to end this thread with. In the thicking plot of the middle east world of today. A Iranian legislator said publicaly....."that Iran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb."
So....all.....article 181, Balfour agreements, declaration of independence, historical colonization of America Africa,and the Holy Land aside. If Iran get the nuc, and the Palestines get a country. Does anyone doubt Iran will not take the credit for forcing the world (and Israel) to give them a country?
Even thought the idea has been around since the late 1970s.
Because that is how I see this playing out.
Signing off, your resident CS loon.