Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
maxmate1: A classic example of Maliciously ILLegal LEGAL-MANOEUVERING, as evident through UN181, was the tool already being used for Imperrial Colonisations. That is, start as simply a trader, seeking permission from the target country to trade, then start conspiring, consolidating, coercing, bribing to impose so called LEGAL CONTRACTS using all means above, then finally invading and Occupying the territory, using the ILLEGALY LEGAL PREMISE. That is how the mass land grabbing worked, by the colonisers from powerful nations. Weak nations were simply attacked without all the trouble as mentioned above.
So if you argue with them about their illegal colonisation, they will come-up with their favourite replies 'OH! we had legal contracts with them!" That is simply hilarious. RED INDIANS of AMERICAS were given the same treatment. So was the case with INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
Those who need a further understanding should study the history of EAST INDIA COMPANY (An Imperial Decoy) that achieved the Imperial Colonisation of the entire INDIAN SUBCONTINENT including THE Existing Afghanistan.
Now there will be biased individuals here as usual, with an agenda, who will try hard to paint it as "country-bashing" which, absolutely is not the case in point. The Point is that history provides references for us to derive inferences. They will also try to turn it into a hate-based argument as well. Which should also not be given any attention to.
I think there is still time for us humans, to learn from our historical mistakes, and abandon the greed and hatred based agendas, to leave a better world for our children. The old generation, shamefully, has left us with this global mess today, and are still attempting to poison what is left of it.
So if you argue with them about their illegal colonisation, they will come-up with their favourite replies 'OH! we had legal contracts with them!" That is simply hilarious. RED INDIANS of AMERICAS were given the same treatment. So was the case with INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
Those who need a further understanding should study the history of EAST INDIA COMPANY (An Imperial Decoy) that achieved the Imperial Colonisation of the entire INDIAN SUBCONTINENT including THE Existing Afghanistan.
Now there will be biased individuals here as usual, with an agenda, who will try hard to paint it as "country-bashing" which, absolutely is not the case in point. The Point is that history provides references for us to derive inferences. They will also try to turn it into a hate-based argument as well. Which should also not be given any attention to.
I think there is still time for us humans, to learn from our historical mistakes, and abandon the greed and hatred based agendas, to leave a better world for our children. The old generation, shamefully, has left us with this global mess today, and are still attempting to poison what is left of it.
The Imperrial Colonisation that started from a letter by QUEEN ELIZABETH 1 to the Indian Emperor, humbly and respecfully requesting trading liberties, and ended in Occupation of the whole land, and Establishment of British Rule, which had to end being Illegal. More than 1.5 Billion people revolted and gained the independence back.
Similar happened with China too. Again over a billion people won back independence. FINALLY.
How many Innocent Humans lost their lives, from that single letter, during the Illegal Occupation and till the Independence? Will there be an apology? Or just the contentment of GOOD RIDDANCE would be enough!
The acts of partitioning other people's lands after occupying it can not be erased from history. And the perspective of one's "historical actions" inevitably establishes the questions on the "Credibility" of their other ventures (UN 181). For which the need for tranparency and impartiality becomes more and more Important. Sadly, History just repeated itself in UN181 case.
maxmate1: The Imperrial Colonisation that started from a letter by QUEEN ELIZABETH 1 to the Indian Emperor, humbly and respecfully requesting trading liberties, and ended in Occupation of the whole land, and Establishment of British Rule, which had to end being Illegal. More than 1.5 Billion people revolted and gained the independence back.
Similar happened with China too. Again over a billion people won back independence. FINALLY.
How many Innocent Humans lost their lives, from that single letter, during the Illegal Occupation and till the Independence? Will there be an apology? Or just the contentment of GOOD RIDDANCE would be enough!
The acts of partitioning other people's lands after occupying it can not be erased from history. And the perspective of one's "historical actions" inevitably establishes the questions on the "Credibility" of their other ventures (UN 181). For which the need for tranparency and impartiality becomes more and more Important. Sadly, History just repeated itself in UN181 case.
Similar happened with China too. Again over a billion people won back independence. FINALLY.
How many Innocent Humans lost their lives, from that single letter, during the Illegal Occupation and till the Independence? Will there be an apology? Or just the contentment of GOOD RIDDANCE would be enough!
The acts of partitioning other people's lands after occupying it can not be erased from history. And the perspective of one's "historical actions" inevitably establishes the questions on the "Credibility" of their other ventures (UN 181). For which the need for tranparency and impartiality becomes more and more Important. Sadly, History just repeated itself in UN181 case.
Your historical knowledge is terrible. If I wrote papers of this calibre I would have failed University.
Class5: Your historical knowledge is terrible. If I wrote papers of this calibre I would have failed University.
Nope,you would not have pased out of Kindergarten using that material....
Class5: Your historical knowledge is terrible. If I wrote papers of this calibre I would have failed University.
If, you ever attended one! only "IF".
Try and refute my historical references above. Prove them wrong.
Or keep quite. No need for the usual clown-show.patmac: Nope,you would not have pased out of Kindergarten using that material....
In Britain yes. One would fail, revealing the TRUTHS about Imperial Colonisation History.
If I am wrong in my previous posts, you are free to refute and present your case, as you probably passed Kindergarten at least, which you think I didn't!
no comment::snooty:
patmac: Nope,you would not have pased out of Kindergarten using that material....
Hey Pat..wheres your thred gone...went to post and not there...
As for this thread ... don't feel like standing in front of a loaded gun..
pops666: Hey Pat..wheres your thred gone...went to post and not there...
As for this thread ... don't feel like standing in front of a loaded gun..
As for this thread ... don't feel like standing in front of a loaded gun..
Yes but some only fire blanks Pops. No need to duck.
maxmate1: In Britain yes. One would fail, revealing the TRUTHS about Imperial Colonisation History.
If I am wrong in my previous posts, you are free to refute and present your case, as you probably passed Kindergarten at least, which you think I didn't!
...hi Max.....still biting the hand that fed you........If I am wrong in my previous posts, you are free to refute and present your case, as you probably passed Kindergarten at least, which you think I didn't!
maxmate1: Nopes. Just showed mirror to those snatched from self-feeding honorable hands!
Hope you're fed well!
..hi Max...yes i feed well....gone are the days .....eating camels feet....before we introdused western..food to your world.....or do traditions die hard.....!!!!!!!!bon aper tite.......Hope you're fed well!
pops666: Hey Pat..wheres your thread gone...went to post and not there...
What was it about?
trueheart1941: ..hi Max...yes i feed well....gone are the days .....eating camels feet....before we introdused western..food to your world.....or do traditions die hard.....!!!!!!!!bon aper tite.......
You mean you feed yourself? Rather than being fed? that's quite an achievement I must admit.
quite honorable! Introduction of western food? Yes, I agree, I love it beyond any doubts. Steaks, we never could taste the same juicy and Yummy untill they introduced it to us!
I would never attempt to mix that with the bleak (Illegal)Immperial colonisation Histroy!
Albertaghost: Massacred? You said they knuckled under so please make upi your mind .....Post 446
Massacred would be the more correct term. Something to do with all the poor innocent villagers being systematically murdered.
Paldi5: What was it about?
About honest debate ... disappeared...dont knooww why it was friendly when I had last been in there..
pops666: About honest debate ... disappeared...dont knooww why it was friendly when I had last been in there..
Same reason the Mods locked Cyn's thread. Read the letter from the Mods.
bestbefore: Same reason the Mods locked Cyn's thread. Read the letter from the Mods.
Thanx Best...was wondering what happened...did see Cyn's .....
maxmate1: If, you ever attended one! only "IF".
Try and refute my historical references above. Prove them wrong. Or keep quite. No need for the usual clown-show.
Try and refute my historical references above. Prove them wrong. Or keep quite. No need for the usual clown-show.
University of Queensland (one of the G8 universities), 6 years, GPA 6.7 out of 7.
Refutations aren't required because your material is a) nonsense, and b) I've got better things to do than bother with your rubbish.
Simple! 
What I like about this thread is for......60 years it was the US and UN....that wanted a two state solution. At times, even Israel agreed with that. It was the Arab League, and the Persian Gulf countries that kept it from happening, those 60 years.
Now suddenly, it is only Israel that kept it from happening.......
that is what I like about this thread.........
Now suddenly, it is only Israel that kept it from happening.......
that is what I like about this thread.........
maxmate1: In Britain yes. One would fail, revealing the TRUTHS about Imperial Colonisation History.
If I am wrong in my previous posts, you are free to refute and present your case, as you probably passed Kindergarten at least, which you think I didn't!
If I am wrong in my previous posts, you are free to refute and present your case, as you probably passed Kindergarten at least, which you think I didn't!
no one here is required to refute or prove anything. I see no real palesstinian entitlement and you can write volumes and I will not agree. I do see an Israeli entitlement that it would behoove the arab nations to simply accept and stop annoying the rest of the world.. thanks
ttom500: What I like about this thread is for......60 years it was the US and UN....that wanted a two state solution. At times, even Israel agreed with that. It was the Arab League, and the Persian Gulf countries that kept it from happening, those 60 years.
Now suddenly, it is only Israel that kept it from happening.......
that is what I like about this thread.........
Now suddenly, it is only Israel that kept it from happening.......
that is what I like about this thread.........
and it is typical...typical of certain countries in the wrong to try to turn the tables
Class5: University of Queensland (one of the G8 universities), 6 years, GPA 6.7 out of 7.
Refutations aren't required because your material is a) nonsense, and b) I've got better things to do than bother with your rubbish.
Simple!
Refutations aren't required because your material is a) nonsense, and b) I've got better things to do than bother with your rubbish.
Simple!
hey class
I agree with you and I got a 4.0 out of 4.0 in my university graduate degree
felixis99: hey class
I agree with you and I got a 4.0 out of 4.0 in my university graduate degree
I agree with you and I got a 4.0 out of 4.0 in my university graduate degree
Good for you! Excellent effort!
I'd say I am more hard working and lucky than I am smart, but thank you
Class5: University of Queensland (one of the G8 universities), 6 years, GPA 6.7 out of 7.
Refutations aren't required because your material is a) nonsense, and b) I've got better things to do than bother with your rubbish.
Simple!
Refutations aren't required because your material is a) nonsense, and b) I've got better things to do than bother with your rubbish.
Simple!
Then I'm surprised that how could you deny the historical facts of Imperial Colonisation? You mean they never colonised/occupied countries? (Indian Subcontinent/China etc?)
As a fact, you have no answer to the posts. Because it is all TRUTH.
These countries gained independence back from Britain and not from some Aliens from Mars! More than 3 billion people on earth teach the same national history to their kids in curriculum as a FACT. It's not something I imagined in my mind.
You are beyond funny though!
maxmate1: Comepletely rubbish. It was not the arabs that persecuted Jews over the last 1000 years. It were the Europeans. The so called Holocaust was done by Arabs you mean?
And Islam does not teach any persecution for Jews or for any religion. Prove it. You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
Wow! If your premise is agreed with. Then you actually refuted the whole UN181 (creation of Israel) where all neighbors/residents of Palentine and Arab world voted AGAINST it. THe ones voted FOR it, were not even related to the continent. REST of the world as you put it, had no business in it.
I have no respect for anyone of any religion who aims to persecute ANYONE of another race or religion. And Muslims don't have a goal to persecute Jews whom Europe already persecuted so much.
Everyone has a right to pursue their religion, worship and to exist in peace, regardless of cast, creed and religion. EVERYONE. Israel needs to learn that, before persecuting Palestinians in every way after occupying their land. Israel itself is in violation of the very UN181 that made it exist. That's real ironic.
You seem confused yourself on what you are arguing about.
And Islam does not teach any persecution for Jews or for any religion. Prove it. You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
Wow! If your premise is agreed with. Then you actually refuted the whole UN181 (creation of Israel) where all neighbors/residents of Palentine and Arab world voted AGAINST it. THe ones voted FOR it, were not even related to the continent. REST of the world as you put it, had no business in it.
I have no respect for anyone of any religion who aims to persecute ANYONE of another race or religion. And Muslims don't have a goal to persecute Jews whom Europe already persecuted so much.
Everyone has a right to pursue their religion, worship and to exist in peace, regardless of cast, creed and religion. EVERYONE. Israel needs to learn that, before persecuting Palestinians in every way after occupying their land. Israel itself is in violation of the very UN181 that made it exist. That's real ironic.
You seem confused yourself on what you are arguing about.
Max, try to live with the fact that the vote in the UN on 181 passed and was voted on by the World....75% voted for.
And the Arab nations declared WAR....FACT
They lost FACT
Since '48 the have tried and tried again and never won once.
Arab Nations have reluctanty over the years accepted Israel BUT NOT ALL.
The one FACT you cannot dispute is 181 PASSED AND ISRAEL BECAME A SOVEREIGN NATION.
LIVE WITH IT.
ps love your flim flam....
maxmate1: Then I'm surprised that how could you deny the historical facts of Imperial Colonisation? You mean they never colonised/occupied countries? (Indian Subcontinent/China etc?)
As a fact, you have no answer to the posts. Because it is all TRUTH.
These countries gained independence back from Britain and not from some Aliens from Mars! More than 3 billion people on earth teach the same national history to their kids in curriculum as a FACT. It's not something I imagined in my mind.
You are beyond funny though!
As a fact, you have no answer to the posts. Because it is all TRUTH.
These countries gained independence back from Britain and not from some Aliens from Mars! More than 3 billion people on earth teach the same national history to their kids in curriculum as a FACT. It's not something I imagined in my mind.
You are beyond funny though!
Again, you fail to understand. It's not the details, but your spin, however, you seem to have an inflated opinion of your importance to me when in reality I couldn't be bothered with you.
Your distortions are merely opinions, not fact or 'truth', but I think you've gone beyond being able to discern between the two.
maxmate1: Comepletely rubbish. It was not the arabs that persecuted Jews over the last 1000 years. It were the Europeans. The so called Holocaust was done by Arabs you mean?
You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
You seem confused yourself on what you are arguing about.
You need to grow up and do your preparation well before you propagate.
You seem confused yourself on what you are arguing about.
Your comprehension is terrible, she didn't say, or infer anything of the kind. You love making a fool of yourself don't you?
Propagate? What are you talking about?
You can't comprehend, or write English very well, and yet, you're lecturing all and sundry about their lack of ability in this area.
THAT'S IRONY!!!
Class5: Again, you fail to understand. It's not the details, but your spin, however, you seem to have an inflated opinion of your importance to me when in reality I couldn't be bothered with you.
Your distortions are merely opinions, not fact or 'truth', but I think you've gone beyond being able to discern between the two.
Your distortions are merely opinions, not fact or 'truth', but I think you've gone beyond being able to discern between the two.
Since you didn't reply as usual. Posting for you again.
Then I'm surprised that how could you deny the historical facts of Imperial Colonisation? You mean they never colonised/occupied countries? (Indian Subcontinent/China etc?)
As a fact, you have no answer to the posts. Because it is all TRUTH.
These countries gained independence back from Britain and not from some Aliens from Mars! More than 3 billion people on earth teach the same national history to their kids in curriculum as a FACT. It's not something I imagined in my mind.
You are beyond funny though!
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So if you argue with them about their illegal colonisation, they will come-up with their favourite replies 'OH! we had legal contracts with them!" That is simply hilarious. RED INDIANS of AMERICAS were given the same treatment. So was the case with INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
Those who need a further understanding should study the history of EAST INDIA COMPANY (An Imperial Decoy) that achieved the Imperial Colonisation of the entire INDIAN SUBCONTINENT including THE Existing Afghanistan.
Now there will be biased individuals here as usual, with an agenda, who will try hard to paint it as "country-bashing" which, absolutely is not the case in point. The Point is that history provides references for us to derive inferences. They will also try to turn it into a hate-based argument as well. Which should also not be given any attention to.
I think there is still time for us humans, to learn from our historical mistakes, and abandon the greed and hatred based agendas, to leave a better world for our children. The old generation, shamefully, has left us with this global mess today, and are still attempting to poison what is left of it.