Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
maxmate1: I did present the facts in posts #671,678,680,706,707,777 and 804. You are simply slithering away as usual.
Anyways, Have a nice day!
Anyways, Have a nice day!
One very easy question Maxy.
Is Israel a sovereign state or not.....
Just a yes or no will do.
No need for obfuscation or drivel
patmac: One very easy question Maxy.
Is Israel a sovereign state or not.....Just a yes or no will do.
No need for obfuscation or drivel
Is Israel a sovereign state or not.....Just a yes or no will do.
No need for obfuscation or drivel
So you did slither away as usual!
So my opninon matters to you NOW? And not through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777 and 804? am confused here about what you are trying to achieve.
Anyhow...Let me help you find an answer here...Now read carefully about the countries in the world that do not recognize Israel.
and perhaps for more information
And perhaps that will explain to you why countries don't recognize an occupation!
Nice Try though!
maxmate1: You are late in the class Mr. Robel!
You might want to go back and catch-up with the previous lectures first, from page one, if you are so really Interested in knowing.
You might want to go back and catch-up with the previous lectures first, from page one, if you are so really Interested in knowing.
->->->-> bestbefore: You could be waiting a long time.He's off on one of his rants again.
I am interested in knowing your explanation for those countries mentioned and linked by you, as to their reasoning and stance behind their non recognition of the validity of the State of Israel.
Are you sure that it is me who needs a lecture?
Are you sure that it is me who needs a lecture?
bestbefore: ->->->->
posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
Typical reponses as expected! EEEEwwwwwHH!
maxmate1: posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
Typical reponses as expected! EEEEwwwwwHH!
Typical reponses as expected! EEEEwwwwwHH!
You're a terrible host, Max and your manners are appalling. You shouldn't ignore Mr. Robel, after all, he just arrived on this thread and would love to hear your explanation. Have some courtesy man.
robel: I am interested in knowing your explanation for those countries mentioned and linked by you, as to their reasoning and stance behind their non recognition of the validity of the State of Israel.
Are you sure that it is me who needs a lecture?
Are you sure that it is me who needs a lecture?
My opinions are well expressed in previous pages, loud and clear. So I request that you please search them in this thread. Thanks!
maxmate1: My opinions are well expressed in previous pages, loud and clear. So I request that you please search them in this thread. Thanks!
Clearly, I don't need to search this thread for your well expressed opinions, as they and your acumen are very well summed up in your above quoted response to me.
maxmate1: posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
Typical reponses as expected! EEEEwwwwwHH!
Typical reponses as expected! EEEEwwwwwHH!
This is MY typical response.
Read it and weep.
Expert: 'Settlements' Are Legal, Look at the UN Documents
Former ambassador Dr. Meir Rosenne: The Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are legal. International law says this.
Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours Forever, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
robel: Clearly, I don't need to search this thread for your well expressed opinions, as they and your acumen are very well summed up in your above quoted response to me.
I kind of knew that already Mister, with your non-serious question which I had already discussed in great detail. Nice try though!
bestbefore: This is MY typical response.
Read it and weep.
Expert: 'Settlements' Are Legal, Look at the UN Documents
Former ambassador Dr. Meir Rosenne: The Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are legal. International law says this.
Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours Forever, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
Read it and weep.
Expert: 'Settlements' Are Legal, Look at the UN Documents
Former ambassador Dr. Meir Rosenne: The Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are legal. International law says this.
Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours Forever, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
No your usual mocking I refer to as your typical response.
Referring to an Illegal perpetrator to justify the legality of it's illegality? Is that your reference? Israel news and Natanyahoo? Yeah typical response too!
““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
maxmate1: No your usual mocking I refer to as your typical response.
Referring to an Illegal perpetrator to justify the legality of it's illegality? Is that your reference? Israel news and Natanyahoo? Yeah typical response too!
““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
Referring to an Illegal perpetrator to justify the legality of it's illegality? Is that your reference? Israel news and Natanyahoo? Yeah typical response too!
““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, collectively termed as "MIRROR". Not a pleasant sight eh?
You should take some medication for that indigestion,you seem to keep repeating yourself.
bestbefore: You should take some medication for that indigestion,you seem to keep repeating yourself.
At least his rants give us something to laugh at.
bestbefore: You should take some medication for that indigestion,you seem to keep repeating yourself.
Ahhh.....I repeat to you so that you stay focussed. I should understand your condition more though, I agree!
So indigestion causes one to keep repeating words? You pulled that up from the same logic store you buy your other weak theories from?
Anyways...your choices
maxmate1: So you did slither away as usual!
So my opninon matters to you NOW? And not through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777 and 804? am confused here about what you are trying to achieve.
Anyhow...Let me help you find an answer here...Now read carefully about the countries in the world that do not recognize Israel.
and perhaps for more information
And perhaps that will explain to you why countries don't recognize an occupation!
Nice Try though!
So my opninon matters to you NOW? And not through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777 and 804? am confused here about what you are trying to achieve.
Anyhow...Let me help you find an answer here...Now read carefully about the countries in the world that do not recognize Israel.
and perhaps for more information
And perhaps that will explain to you why countries don't recognize an occupation!
Nice Try though!
Very few Maxy, the list that recognises Israel is far greater.
That apart I never asked for a list I asked YOU.
So do you recognise Israel as a sovereign state.
Simple yes or no.
You Maxy are fast losing this discussion with a complete lack of answering a striaght forward question.
So what do you say Maxy? Yes or No ?
patmac: Very few Maxy, the list that recognises Israel is far greater.
That apart I never asked for a list I asked YOU.
So do you recognise Israel as a sovereign state.
Simple yes or no.
You Maxy are fast losing this discussion with a complete lack of answering a striaght forward question.
So what do you say Maxy? Yes or No ?
That apart I never asked for a list I asked YOU.
So do you recognise Israel as a sovereign state.
Simple yes or no.
You Maxy are fast losing this discussion with a complete lack of answering a striaght forward question.
So what do you say Maxy? Yes or No ?
This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!
Class5: At least his rants give us something to laugh at.
I find it quite ironic that he is supposed to be spiritual not religious and puts this on his profile.
"Ideal is a very relative term. Be what you really are, but just keep the nonsense to a minimum."
All this rhetoric about how others should live and conduct themselves from someone who lives in an autocratic Monarchy.Now that is funny.
bestbefore: I find it quite ironic that he is supposed to be spiritual not religious and puts this on his profile.
"Ideal is a very relative term. Be what you really are, but just keep the nonsense to a minimum."
All this rhetoric about how others should live and conduct themselves from someone who lives in an autocratic Monarchy.Now that is funny.
"Ideal is a very relative term. Be what you really are, but just keep the nonsense to a minimum."
All this rhetoric about how others should live and conduct themselves from someone who lives in an autocratic Monarchy.Now that is funny.
I noticed that too. 'keep the nonsense to a minimum'~what a hypocrite! Better yet, did you see the caption under the photo? It's priceless, but accurate!
maxmate1: This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!
So I will take that as a NO then Maxy....Since when did the UN become an Empire???
It was a UN vote 3 to 1 that gave the Legality to 181..
That Maxy was a democratic vote by the WORLD.
Including the "Big 5" who all had a veto and never used it.
That firmly and finally established Israel.
Live with it Maxy the Vast majority of this world do...
181 IS LEGAL AND BINDING....
bestbefore: I find it quite ironic that he is supposed to be spiritual not religious and puts this on his profile.
"Ideal is a very relative term. Be what you really are, but just keep the nonsense to a minimum."
All this rhetoric about how others should live and conduct themselves from someone who lives in an autocratic Monarchy.Now that is funny.
"Ideal is a very relative term. Be what you really are, but just keep the nonsense to a minimum."
All this rhetoric about how others should live and conduct themselves from someone who lives in an autocratic Monarchy.Now that is funny.
Of course Monarchy shouldn't be conducting themselves in a manner that US Charter of Independence doesn't impeach them of horrific crimes, along with more than half of global population, tirelessly getting rid of them.
No wonder you don't like what you see, when shown the mirror through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819.
And personal attacks from you are not new to me. Keep growing!
maxmate1: Of course Monarchy shouldn't be conducting themselves in a manner that US Charter of Independence doesn't impeach them of horrific crimes, along with more than half of global population, tirelessly getting rid of them.
No wonder you don't like what you see, when shown the mirror through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819.
And personal attacks from you are not new to me. Keep growing!
No wonder you don't like what you see, when shown the mirror through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819.
And personal attacks from you are not new to me. Keep growing!
I'm not in to name calling,although I do seem to recall several members calling you about the disgusting comments you made about me and my family in another thread,which were reported, but alas you still continue to ridicule others for their opinions.
Be that as it may you keep printing off the same post numbers to both Patmac and myself.Now perhaps you can point out which ones apply to me and those that apply to Pat..
Other than that I really have nothing more to say to you as your hatred of the Western world is quite deplorable. So much for you wanting peace,when you appear to incite racial hatred on the Forums.j.m.o.
Out to lunch with my family.
See you all later.
See you all later.
this is so cute,,you need a secretary of state, you are creating your own virtual Country. It is though your ego has negotiated with the other organs and found a common ground. But pretty bossy and hard to talk with is what the buzz is.
Sorry but you are not my ritual.
Sorry but you are not my ritual.
Hey Max, still waiting for a reply from the top of this page.
maxmate1: "“This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!”"
Patmac
"So I will take that as a NO then Maxy....Since when did the UN become an Empire???
It was a UN vote 3 to 1 that gave the Legality to 181..
That Maxy was a democratic vote by the WORLD.
Including the "Big 5" who all had a veto and never used it.
That firmly and finally established Israel.
Live with it Maxy the Vast majority of this world do...
181 IS LEGAL AND BINDING."
Care to reply Max ????
Or will it be just more obfuscation....
maxmate1: "“This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!”"
Patmac
"So I will take that as a NO then Maxy....Since when did the UN become an Empire???
It was a UN vote 3 to 1 that gave the Legality to 181..
That Maxy was a democratic vote by the WORLD.
Including the "Big 5" who all had a veto and never used it.
That firmly and finally established Israel.
Live with it Maxy the Vast majority of this world do...
181 IS LEGAL AND BINDING."
Care to reply Max ????
Or will it be just more obfuscation....
While I'm waiting for my daughter to arrive...........
Am I right in assuming that the Author of this thread specifically mentions Religion in his opening statement. So why does a certain member keep telling us to stick to the debate which in his opinion has nothing to do with faith . Beats me.
The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
Am I right in assuming that the Author of this thread specifically mentions Religion in his opening statement. So why does a certain member keep telling us to stick to the debate which in his opinion has nothing to do with faith . Beats me.
The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
patmac: Hey Max, still waiting for a reply from the top of this page.
maxmate1: "“This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!”"
Patmac
"So I will take that as a NO then Maxy....Since when did the UN become an Empire???
It was a UN vote 3 to 1 that gave the Legality to 181..
That Maxy was a democratic vote by the WORLD.
Including the "Big 5" who all had a veto and never used it.
That firmly and finally established Israel.Live with it Maxy the Vast majority of this world do...181 IS LEGAL AND BINDING."Care to reply Max ????
Or will it be just more obfuscation....
maxmate1: "“This question means you did not read ““posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819. Very well. Cos if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Israel is an illegal occupation only, Imperially orchestrated. Nothing more!”"
Patmac
"So I will take that as a NO then Maxy....Since when did the UN become an Empire???
It was a UN vote 3 to 1 that gave the Legality to 181..
That Maxy was a democratic vote by the WORLD.
Including the "Big 5" who all had a veto and never used it.
That firmly and finally established Israel.Live with it Maxy the Vast majority of this world do...181 IS LEGAL AND BINDING."Care to reply Max ????
Or will it be just more obfuscation....
Your illegaly legal Imperial premise has already been shredded to pieces through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777,804 and 819, which you and your mates had no answers for.
Peacefully (I pray and hope) it will be revoked just like Imperials had to finally submit to nations, seeking independence back from the Illegal Imperial Occupupations of their lands and usurpation of basic human rights!
"Unearned suffering is redemptive" Remember Martin Luthar King?
Israeli Violations of International Law - (1) Israel annexes land occupied by force during 1948 war (lands external to those given by the UN partition plan), and then annexes land taken by force during the 1967 war (East Jerusalem and Golan Heights) : ISRAELI VIOLATION: HISTORY & THEORY
In 1947 the United Nations hoped to settle the conflict between the Palestinian people and the Zionists by dividing the land between them. Unfortunately, they chose a plan which the Palestinians did not agree with, and implemented it anyway. The plan, described in UN Resolution, divided the land of Palestine into two sections awarding the Zionists more than 1/2 of the land (55%) even though their current holdings totalled only about 6%, and their population was only about 16% of all the people in Palestine. Plus the plan gave the most fertile farmlands to the Zionists. The plan was clearly unfair, and the Palestinians and their Arab neighbors rebelled against the plan, and war broke out.
The Zionists won the fighting, and during the course of the fighting took additional lands bringing their total holdings to about 75% of the lands of Palestine, which they kept.
Even though this additional land was thus illegally gained in violation of both the Hague Regulations (1907) and UN Charter (1945) which both included the basic legal principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force, these new boundaries soon became the accepted boundaries of the new State of Israel in the various peace agreements Israel signed with its neighbors.
ISRAELI VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW
Major Legal Principle Violated -
1. Acquisition of Territory by Military Conquest is Illegal
2. Occupation (either Legal or Illegal) is Generally Temporary and Must Never Lead To Sovereignty over Occupied or Conquered Lands of the Enemy People or Nation.
In 1947 the United Nations hoped to settle the conflict between the Palestinian people and the Zionists by dividing the land between them. Unfortunately, they chose a plan which the Palestinians did not agree with, and implemented it anyway. The plan, described in UN Resolution, divided the land of Palestine into two sections awarding the Zionists more than 1/2 of the land (55%) even though their current holdings totalled only about 6%, and their population was only about 16% of all the people in Palestine. Plus the plan gave the most fertile farmlands to the Zionists. The plan was clearly unfair, and the Palestinians and their Arab neighbors rebelled against the plan, and war broke out.
The Zionists won the fighting, and during the course of the fighting took additional lands bringing their total holdings to about 75% of the lands of Palestine, which they kept.
Even though this additional land was thus illegally gained in violation of both the Hague Regulations (1907) and UN Charter (1945) which both included the basic legal principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force, these new boundaries soon became the accepted boundaries of the new State of Israel in the various peace agreements Israel signed with its neighbors.
ISRAELI VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW
Major Legal Principle Violated -
1. Acquisition of Territory by Military Conquest is Illegal
2. Occupation (either Legal or Illegal) is Generally Temporary and Must Never Lead To Sovereignty over Occupied or Conquered Lands of the Enemy People or Nation.
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Using your last point we are all the same folk and therefore it matters not a jot who lives where.....
Get back to the point of the thread.
181 was passed and accepted by the world and Israel was recognised as a sovereign state....Live with the fact Maxy.
Pat, you're wasting your time. He's only interested in his agenda. He has no inclination to address any other posts apart from his own.