patmac: Biggest load of rubbish you have posted for AGES Maxy.
The Colonists were in revolt over Taxation long efore it came to war and Far Far longer than the Declaration of independance.
So wrong of you to twist the facts to suit your argument. But that is of course your normal routine.
As is your obfuscation and your total denial of the Validity of 181 and the Birth of the Sovereign State of Israel
You lost the point on both arguments Maxy and your juvenile attempt to drag the point away from the main discussion of the thread shows your weakness.
Class destroyed all your points as did so many other folk but still you twist,Deny and obfuscate.
Sad Maxy Sad.
Class destroyed his own credibililty along with yours, by claiming, that US Declared Independence over just a taxation issue. That's blaming American Founding Fathers who wrote the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE and wrote all causes.
To help your and class's myopic vision, I produly present the text of the document in the next post. Learn it by heart. will ya?
maxmate1: Class destroyed his own credibililty along with yours, by claiming, that US Declared Independence over just a taxation issue. That's blaming American Founding Fathers who wrote the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE and wrote all causes.
To help your and class's myopic vision, I produly present the text of the document in the next post. Learn it by heart. will ya?
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
maxmate1: Class destroyed his own credibililty along with yours, by claiming, that US Declared Independence over just a taxation issue. That's blaming American Founding Fathers who wrote the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE and wrote all causes.
To help your and class's myopic vision, I produly present the text of the document in the next post. Learn it by heart. will ya?
There is no need, for I've read it. However, please continue to make a complete fool of yourself. After all, it's probably your greatest talent.
Your need to read up on the cause of the rebellion.
maxmate1: Class destroyed his own credibililty along with yours, by claiming, that US Declared Independence over just a taxation issue. That's blaming American Founding Fathers who wrote the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE and wrote all causes.
To help your and class's myopic vision, I produly present the text of the document in the next post. Learn it by heart. will ya?
One word sums up your statement Maxy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......RUBBISH....
Time to go out and have some fun....Might talk to a tree or two. Well the make more sense and have a better understanding of facts than you do Maxy.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
maxmate1: IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
Max, the war started long before this document was even drafted.
patmac: One word sums up your statement Maxy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......RUBBISH.... Time to go out and have some fun....Might talk to a tree or two. Well the make more sense and have a better understanding of facts than you do Maxy.
Dear Patty!
Read the Declaration of Independence I posted for you and class5 lad.
Now don't tell anyone again that AMERICA claimed Independence over taxation issues.
I didn't make you appear fools in your claims. You both did it yourself.
Class5: I can't believe you actually posted this. Are you cracking up here Max?
You should research the cause of the rebellion. You are really making a fool of yourself.
Declaration of Inedependece is the TRUTH. Hold it dear to yourself. That will keep reminding you for life. That America did not claim Indepedence merely over taxation issues.
maxmate1: Declaration of Inedependece is the TRUTH. Hold it dear to yourself. That will keep reminding you for life. That America did not claim Indepedence merely over taxation issues.
Sing a song to Patty!
You're losing the plot here Max. Just research it, you will realise your own folly when you take 2 minutes to look into it.
Class5: You're losing the plot here Max. Just research it, you will realise your own folly when you take 2 minutes to look into it.
Declaration of Inedependece is the TRUTH. Hold it dear to yourself. That will keep reminding you for life. That America did not claim Indepedence merely over taxation issues.
maxmate1: Declaration of Inedependece is the TRUTH. Hold it dear to yourself. That will keep reminding you for life. That America did not claim Indepedence merely over taxation issues.
maxmate1: Declaration of Inedependece is the TRUTH. Hold it dear to yourself. That will keep reminding you for life. That America did not claim Indepedence merely over taxation issues.
Sing a song to Patty!
Research....and don't forget to proofread well!
And I was so naive to believe, for a while, there would be some good literary argumentative debate here!
The claim by Patty and Class5 lad that "Declaration of Independence of USA, was merely over taxation issue" can qualify for the joke of the century competition.
maxmate1: And I was so naive to believe, for a while, there would be some good literary argumentative debate here!
The claim by Patty and Class5 lad that "Declaration of Independence of USA, was merely over taxation issue" can qualify for the joke of the century competition.
Oh, Max. You really need to read up on this as you have no idea. Even I'm having trouble watching you make such a big fool of yourself.
maxmate1: And I was so naive to believe, for a while, there would be some good literary argumentative debate here!
The claim by Patty and Class5 lad that "Declaration of Independence of USA, was merely over taxation issue" can qualify for the joke of the century competition.
maxmate1: And I was so naive to believe, for a while, there would be some good literary argumentative debate here!
The claim by Patty and Class5 lad that "Declaration of Independence of USA, was merely over taxation issue" can qualify for the joke of the century competition.
No, our claim is not that the declaration was over taxation, but the war itself. Quite a poor interpretation of what we said. That's really underhanded there Max and typical of your tactics. I see where you're trying to steer this, but I'm not falling for it. You are so disingenuous.
Just face facts and stop trying to twist things with your usual cowardly manipulation.
maxmate1: Now the thread is over. I'm outta here. Ciao!
Behave well, while I'm gone...Or I'll come back
It's not over because you're gone. Far from it. Don't feel you have to come back for no-one cares. You are not a dictator and you have no right to tell anyone what to do or how to behave.
oh boy,, what a crazy road this one is,,,of course no one here said that the Deceleration of Independence was merely about undue taxation, though on post #921 it does state that is one of the issues. This slight of hand should be good at office parties or carnivals.
Since it is coming close to the end I thought I would just paste the OP original post,,,
"The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS."
When I look back it seems the transactions of this thread have went to some way out places,,,anyway.. what the heck.
Nikogas: oh boy,, what a crazy road this one is,,,of course no one here said that the Deceleration of Independence was merely about undue taxation, though on post #921 it does state that is one of the issues. This slight of hand should be good at office parties or carnivals. Since it is coming close to the end I thought I would just paste the OP original post,,, "The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS."
When I look back it seems the transactions of this thread have went to some way out places,,,anyway.. what the heck.
Yes, well. One individual's twisted logic and poor reasoning skills led a merry journey. But it was fun, but now he's retired out of shame I imagine.
patmac: Folk left Britain for America long before the Pilgrim Fathers.
And the Pilgrims were part of the colonists of the 13 colonies.
They owed their allegiance to the Crown, and did obey the British. Until the slow realisation of the erosion of their rights and the overtaxation by the Crown...Then the fun began.
Yeah, I know I was being somewhat general there Pat, I was merely taking that one slice. My point was that there were more issues than just the religious ones. I do wonder though if those people back then realized what their idea of "Freedom of Religion" would equate to a few hundred years later. I bet they would have never guessed..LOL.. Glad you decided to participate though Pat, "181" pretty plain and to the point.
Class5: Yes, well. One individual's twisted logic and poor reasoning skills led a merry journey. But it was fun, but now he's retired out of shame I imagine.
yeah,,,LOL...I don't know...still plenty of room for something/anything
A little Todd Rundgren/// he he he pull out those beautiful strats of yours and play this thread to the sea!
Nikogas: oh boy,, what a crazy road this one is,,,of course no one here said that the Deceleration of Independence was merely about undue taxation, though on post #921 it does state that is one of the issues. This slight of hand should be good at office parties or carnivals.
Sorry to bust the liar's club convention that immediately assembled the moment I left!
Here's the lie from class that was busted. And your sleight of hand too.
Class5: You need to put this in perspective. The issue of taxation sparked a colonial rebellion which ultimately brought independence to the American colony. How you interpret this document is based upon how you view the conflict.
I proved it was not the case. And the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, in detail, documented the causes of breaking free from Imperial Clutches. Please read it again. I have posted the entire text for your convenience.
Class5: Mmmm. Todd Rundgren...I haven't listened to him in years. Nice choice my friend.
He and Bowie always impressed me ,,,of course the sound but they both are so ingenious and sometimes just did it all! I remember when I turned over some vinyl way back and said to myself " what?? Todd Rundgren produced Grand Funk Railroad"??? lots of talent and very tenacious indeed!
@ Max, Sorry to say it but I have read that so many times and been tested in it throughout school and growing up. Just what are you trying to "prove" by pasting it on this thread??? It does include the issue of taxation and other things as well,,,you said you read it. right?? so why is it we are talking about that? it just misdirects from the point of the thread. What's the story????
maxmate1: Sorry to bust the liar's club convention that immediately assembled the moment I left!
Here's the lie from class that was busted. And your sleight of hand too. I proved it was not the case. And the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, in detail, documented the causes of breaking free from Imperial Clutches. Please read it again. I have posted the entire text for your convenience.
Please don't attempt to twist anymore.
Max, either you can't read or you are deliberately being obtuse, whatever the case, you are clearly wrong as the war broke out some time earlier than the production of this document.
Please mind how you accuse people, you are wrong and don't have the guts to admit it. Just face your folly and be a man. Or are you just a boy?
Class5: Hey Pat. Did you see what that worm just tried to do? What a waste of oxygen that guy is.
Hilarious though, only a child couldn't see through that crap.
Typical Class5 response, resorting to personal insults yet again. You got so irritated by the fact that I busted your twisted lies again and again? Worm? tsk tsk!
Come on, eat your words here....
Class5: You need to put this in perspective. The issue of taxation sparked a colonial rebellion which ultimately brought independence to the American colony. How you interpret this document is based upon how you view the conflict.
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The Colonists were in revolt over Taxation long efore it came to war and Far Far longer than the Declaration of independance.
So wrong of you to twist the facts to suit your argument.
But that is of course your normal routine.
As is your obfuscation and your total denial of the Validity of 181 and the Birth of the Sovereign State of Israel
You lost the point on both arguments Maxy and your juvenile attempt to drag the point away from the main discussion of the thread shows your weakness.
Class destroyed all your points as did so many other folk but still you twist,Deny and obfuscate.
Sad Maxy Sad.
Class destroyed his own credibililty along with yours, by claiming, that US Declared Independence over just a taxation issue. That's blaming American Founding Fathers who wrote the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE and wrote all causes.
To help your and class's myopic vision, I produly present the text of the document in the next post. Learn it by heart. will ya?