Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)

Boban1: Geee...boys will be boys ...

now you two shake hands and play along...

bestbefore: Wanna play referee.

bestbefore: Well anyone that condemns the British as much as he does,needs to study history more.

We ruled in India yes, and not well, but the "Royalty" in India stood back and watched it happen. never gets mentioned only the slagging of the UK.

Everything that has happened in India—technology, science, education, colleges, universities, railway lines, roads, cars, airplanes—everything has happened because of the British rule. If there had been no British rule, India would have been the same as Ethiopia.j.m.o.

bestbefore: Wanna play referee.

Class5: Everyone forgets the practice of throwing the wife on the husband's funeral pyre and watching her burn alive. British ule put an end to that barbaric practice. Not to mention, stopping the Thugee Raj cult roaming the countryside killing people for sacrifices. They put a stop to the internecine strife and wars among the princedoms in the region and formed the modern state of India, leaving the Westminster system which has served them well since 1948. The partition prevented what could have one of the worst civil wars and cases of genocide the world has ever seen.

Boban1: with my weight of 220 pounds ,I doubt that I would be much of a use ...unless there is a eating and drinking competition...

patmac: In this thread ???Nope too many weird and wonderful posts so far from the point of the thread.....

bestbefore: Had noticed,but unfortunately I have to abide by my principals in defence of my country.

No-one really reads anything posted these days.Far too busy with their own agenda of stirring up racial hatred against other countries.

So much for being peace lovers.

maxmate1: I have already explained in great detail, through my posts#671,678,680,706 and 707,, the imperial pattern of divide and rule. In continuity of which let's have a look at the US Declaration of Independence, 80% of which is a charge sheet against KING George of Britain..Exactly an impeachment for trial..

"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. "

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us......"

"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation."

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people"

One can read the entire Declaration of Independence here



So America was made, nations around the globe, more than half of global population, had "Riddance" of tyranny. UN181 will be redeemed too....for truth and justice prevail eventually!

maxmate1: Keeping focussed on the "charge sheet" in the Declaration of Indepence, against British Monarch, resulting in the creation of USA. Similar are the stories of all nations that got rid if the tyrannical imperial rule, which was not only restricted to India and Africa, but Arab world, South East Asia, West Indies, Americas and Europe.

Now laws that they imposed were rejected, which they thought were illegal, according to their laws, but nations did not surrender. Nations questioned those Imperial laws, faught against them and gained independence back.

All collective loss of human lives, during the course of many wars, insurgencies to gain freedom back, would be attributed to the oppressor and not to the oppressed. The number of human lives lost is another debate, millions though!

Now UN181 was hatched through the same "Illegally Legal ways" they mastered more than anyone. UN181, which one day will be corrected (hoping and praying peacefully) for the Unearned suffering is, indeed, redemptive. Always. History proves it over and over again.

maxmate1: Keeping focussed on the "charge sheet" in the Declaration of Indepence, against British Monarch, resulting in the creation of USA. Similar are the stories of all nations that got rid if the tyrannical imperial rule, which was not only restricted to India and Africa, but Arab world, South East Asia, West Indies, Americas and Europe.

Now laws that they imposed were rejected, which they thought were illegal, according to their laws, but nations did not surrender. Nations questioned those Imperial laws, faught against them and gained independence back.

All collective loss of human lives, during the course of many wars, insurgencies to gain freedom back, would be attributed to the oppressor and not to the oppressed. The number of human lives lost is another debate, millions though!

Now UN181 was hatched through the same "Illegally Legal ways" they mastered more than anyone. UN181, which one day will be corrected (hoping and praying peacefully) for the Unearned suffering is, indeed, redemptive. Always. History proves it over and over again.

maxmate1: Keeping focussed on the "charge sheet" in the Declaration of Indepence, against British Monarch, resulting in the creation of USA. Similar are the stories of all nations that got rid if the tyrannical imperial rule, which was not only restricted to India and Africa, but Arab world, South East Asia, West Indies, Americas and Europe.

Now laws that they imposed were rejected, which they thought were illegal, according to their laws, but nations did not surrender. Nations questioned those Imperial laws, faught against them and gained independence back.

All collective loss of human lives, during the course of many wars, insurgencies to gain freedom back, would be attributed to the oppressor and not to the oppressed. The number of human lives lost is another debate, millions though!

Now UN181 was hatched through the same "Illegally Legal ways" they mastered more than anyone. UN181, which one day will be corrected (hoping and praying peacefully) for the Unearned suffering is, indeed, redemptive. Always. History proves it over and over again.

patmac: Posting using a previous post of you own shows the weakness of your argument.

Your non acceptance of 181 sows clearly. So a reasoned debate with you is never going to happen.

You like the Arabs of 48 cannot or will not accept the UN ruling and like them you stick your head in the sand and ignore ALL the facts.

All the trouble came from the Arabs who although the had been given the vast amount of the land would not accept Israel.

So all your rambling and obfuscation about India, USA and Britain is a waste of tme 181 is legal and valid.

Go to war if you like as the Arabs did in 48 and so many times since. You like them will always lose.

Negotiate if you like but you must accept the Validity of the Israeli state...

Additionally you ignore the fact that a planned and negotiated withdrawal from former colonies took place after WWII up to the sixties. And that was done by so many countries.

maxmate1: If my argument are weak, through posts #671,678,680,706,707,777 and 804 , you should have debated them point by point and would have refuted the TRUTH I presented. Which you could not, so far.

There should be no War, for War will only feed the ones I exposed already. Just a peaceful and JUST solution to the problems they created in the region.

Planned and Negotiated Imperial withdrawal? Ofcourse, Some places people forced it to happen, and some occupations people fought for it. The Result? END OF THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION GAME, for good!

ttom500: Sure it about being nice and kind to each other. Just a open discussion to seek the truth. As long as the truth is what middle eastern majority makes it. Sure it has nothing to do with painting a blame on the west or Israel.

Just so long as the Islam does not get painted with the same brush....

The historical facts are simple. dNA has proven time and again....Jews and Christian were in the middle east and Holy Land, years before Islam was a faith. Archeological documents have shown the same. Carbon dating has shown the same. No one is sure when the Palestinians arrived until Yasser Araft came long in the 1970s

Yet today, Israel needs to...has to.....will be forced to... give away parts or all of the country to the Palestines.

patmac: Same drivel as always......Try looking at the facts .....