Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)

Mar 31, 2012 7:38 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Class5: You're leaving? Now, you're finally making sense Princess.
The Queen has spoken.laugh laugh laugh
Mar 31, 2012 7:41 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
chris27292729: The Queen has spoken.


Not only the queen. The complete gang is here trolling! rolling on the floor laughing laugh
Mar 31, 2012 7:42 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Class5: And there it is really.
Verified Historicallylaugh laugh laugh
Mar 31, 2012 7:52 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Class5: Nice try Princess, but only your Greek groupie is buying this. Don't worry your demented little head, I wouldn't stoop to your level and start a thread like that, that would the act of a scumbag.
Your level is great,full of insults,keep the good work up.Queen.
Mar 31, 2012 7:55 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
chris27292729: Your level is great,full of insults,keep the good work up.Queen.



yawn
Mar 31, 2012 8:04 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
"Simple"



rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 31, 2012 8:17 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
joris66
joris66joris66HENDERSON, Pitcairn Island8 Posts
muslim are only interested to eradict israel and islamized europe..
all kind of discussions are useless... but the war..
Mar 31, 2012 9:55 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Janze
JanzeJanzeIndianapolis, Indiana USA1 Threads 37 Posts
Israel has no position to "allow" any people to have a state. Israel is occupying Palestinian land. Does your neighbour has the right and the authority to you whether you can have a garden or whether your children can play in your own yard?

It is extraordinary to me that questioner thinks that Israel has any such power to determine what the Palestinians do or do not do!

Since when it is wrong for an occuppied people to resist their occupier? If Mexico occupied California, whould Californians have a right and a duty to resist the occupation by any means and at all times?

Christians who claim to have an acute sense of fairness have lost their sense of rightness and justice in matters related to the occupation of Palestine.Occupiers are the aggressors.

Would be acceptable for Russia to invade Israel and occupy the land and tell the Israelis what to do and when to do it? Until that scenario is right and acceptable to professing christians, no one, in his right mind, should accept Israel's occupation of Palestine as just and right.

Israel does not have any authority to determine the course for any people. The question and the questioner are prejudice and unjust!

Christians have lived in the Middle East,among the Muslims, long before America was a nation. And the violence and the fracturedness that now characterize the region and the people were partly thrust upon the Midlle East by the Christian west.

As late as 2003 before George Bush invaded Iraq and killed a million people, Christians, Muslims and Jews lived quite amicably together. Then enter the American christians and now there are no Jews there and Christians, who have been part of that Society for generations, are now leaving and are more afraid than they have ever been.

Somebody ought to look at the role of western christians and Americans christians, in particular, in the world.
Mar 31, 2012 10:09 AM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Janze: Israel has no position to "allow" any people to have a state. Israel is occupying Palestinian land. Does your neighbour has the right and the authority to you whether you can have a garden or whether your children can play in your own yard?

It is extraordinary to me that questioner thinks that Israel has any such power to determine what the Palestinians do or do not do!

Since when it is wrong for an occuppied people to resist their occupier? If Mexico occupied California, whould Californians have a right and a duty to resist the occupation by any means and at all times?

Christians who claim to have an acute sense of fairness have lost their sense of rightness and justice in matters related to the occupation of Palestine.Occupiers are the aggressors.

Would be acceptable for Russia to invade Israel and occupy the land and tell the Israelis what to do and when to do it? Until that scenario is right and acceptable to professing christians, no one, in his right mind, should accept Israel's occupation of Palestine as just and right.

Israel does not have any authority to determine the course for any people. The question and the questioner are prejudice and unjust!

Christians have lived in the Middle East,among the Muslims, long before America was a nation. And the violence and the fracturedness that now characterize the region and the people were partly thrust upon the Midlle East by the Christian west.

As late as 2003 before George Bush invaded Iraq and killed a million people, Christians, Muslims and Jews lived quite amicably together. Then enter the American christians and now there are no Jews there and Christians, who have been part of that Society for generations, are now leaving and are more afraid than they have ever been.

Somebody ought to look at the role of western christians and Americans christians, in particular, in the world.
that you again?rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 31, 2012 4:04 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
patmac: No answer for me yet Max?

Don't bother with your name calling and the rest of your rubbish.

Address the point of the thread especially the point I made and you are trying so hard to avoid.


You won't get an answer, for that would take some intellectual thought which he clearly lacks the capacity for, and has demonstrated such repeatedly.
Mar 31, 2012 4:23 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
spainlover
spainloverspainloverslough, Berkshire, England UK31 Posts
STOLEN LAND
This is the first time I have EVER got invovled in any forum discussion but I felt I had no choice as I am absolutely inscensed seeing people discussing whether or not Palestine should be 'allowed' a State.!!

There will never be peace because the Jews STOLE the land with British complicity.!!

To say it is the Jews 'homeland' is nonsense.!!! How far do we go back in history to say where ones homeland is.?? 100 years.? 500 years.?
or how about 2000 years ??

Learn your history you whining liberals and see how you would like it if the Russians took over England.!!!
Mar 31, 2012 4:26 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Conrad73: As to Ray's Masterpieces!He might fool you!
To answer his Insanities,I'd have to step into them as he does!


You don't have to "step in it" Conrad.
You are drenched in it.

I used to have a dog named Sparky who just loved to roll around in fresh cow flops.

Every time I see your trademark ROTFLMAO emoticon it reminds me Sparky.
Mar 31, 2012 4:28 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
spainlover: STOLEN LAND
This is the first time I have EVER got invovled in any forum discussion but I felt I had no choice as I am absolutely inscensed seeing people discussing whether or not Palestine should be 'allowed' a State.!!

There will never be peace because the Jews STOLE the land with British complicity.!!

To say it is the Jews 'homeland' is nonsense.!!! How far do we go back in history to say where ones homeland is.?? 100 years.? 500 years.?
or how about 2000 years ??

Learn your history you whining liberals and see how you would like it if the Russians took over England.!!!



Hear hear.
Well said.
Mar 31, 2012 4:41 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
spainlover: STOLEN LAND
This is the first time I have EVER got invovled in any forum discussion but I felt I had no choice as I am absolutely inscensed seeing people discussing whether or not Palestine should be 'allowed' a State.!!

There will never be peace because the Jews STOLE the land with British complicity.!!

To say it is the Jews 'homeland' is nonsense.!!! How far do we go back in history to say where ones homeland is.?? 100 years.? 500 years.?
or how about 2000 years ??

Learn your history you whining liberals and see how you would like it if the Russians took over England.!!!
We've got a history Professor to tell us,if the LAND is stolen,how many years or centuries, have to go back,for the new settlers legally claiming the Land belongs to them.
Mar 31, 2012 4:49 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
spainlover
spainloverspainloverslough, Berkshire, England UK31 Posts
Chris...you have TOTALLY misunderstood.!
Mar 31, 2012 4:51 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
spainlover: Chris...you have TOTALLY misunderstood.!



Get used to it. Welcome to the fora. wave
Mar 31, 2012 4:58 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
chris27292729: We've got a history Professor to tell us,if the LAND is stolen,how many years or centuries, have to go back,for the new settlers legally claiming the Land belongs to them.


And on top of that you have two thousand years of Palestinians having no right to the land as it belonged to other empires. In fact, just recently did it even qualify to come up for grabs to anybody and, at that time, the UN, in their wisdom decided to grant it to the people who have historic ties to it - the Jews and Palestinians.

The Jews took the deal, the Palestinians spat on it.professor
Mar 31, 2012 5:01 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Janze
JanzeJanzeIndianapolis, Indiana USA1 Threads 37 Posts
You are such a man of peace that if your neighbour came took over your house, you will negotiate with him which part of the kitchen you will live and keep your family. Please tell me where you live so that I can send a homeless person there to throw you out of your house.

It is remarkable what passes for intelligence and reason.
Mar 31, 2012 5:03 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
spainlover: STOLEN LAND
This is the first time I have got invovled in any forum discussion but I felt I had no choice as I am absolutely inscensed seeing people discussing whether or not Palestine should be 'allowed' a State.!!

There will never be peace because the Jews STOLE the land with British complicity.!!


Who did they steal it from? Certainly not the Palestinians as they never held title to the land so who? The British? They gave it to the UN. The UN? Certainly not as they gave the bulk of it to the Arabs and then split the rest between Palestinians and Israelis so, who did anybody steal anything from?

spainlover:
To say it is the Jews 'homeland' is nonsense.!!! How far do we go back in history to say where ones homeland is.?? 100 years.? 500 years.?
or how about 2000 years ??

Learn your history you whining liberals and see how you would like it if the Russians took over England.!!!


There has been a continual Jewish presence in the region and, how far back do we go? Seems many who contend just what you do go back thousands of year so, if we go back no years then the Palestinians who are not in Israel would according to you have no right as they are t=not there now.

So, what is your cut off date?doh
Mar 31, 2012 5:04 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Janze
JanzeJanzeIndianapolis, Indiana USA1 Threads 37 Posts
Americans know quite well about taking other people's land. Their support of Israel in their land grab is understandable.
Mar 31, 2012 5:04 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Janze: You are such a man of peace that if your neighbour came took over your house, you will negotiate with him which part of the kitchen you will live and keep your family. Please tell me where you live so that I can send a homeless person there to throw you out of your house.

It is remarkable what passes for intelligence and reason.


Well then if you propose that then where should the Palestinians live then seeing as how you are all for Israel keeping all of the land that the UN had in their wisdom offered to both?confused
Mar 31, 2012 5:05 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Janze: Americans know quite well about taking other people's land. Their support of Israel in their land grab is understandable.


And what about the seventy five percent of the world who also voted in favor?dunno
Mar 31, 2012 5:05 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
spainlover
spainloverspainloverslough, Berkshire, England UK31 Posts
RayfromUSA: Hear hear.
Well said.


Thank God SOMEONE ELSE knows the truth...and by the way,apparently my family has some jewish blood.! Does that also allow ME to go over and kick some poor Palestian around saying 'its because this is MY 'Promised Land'...

Promised by whom....and ...mmmm...was it in writing.???

How about the Italians going over in force and trying to takeover just because THEY used to live there 2000 years ago as well. [ after they also invaded of course.]
Mar 31, 2012 5:09 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
spainlover: Thank God SOMEONE ELSE knows the truth...and by the way,apparently my family has some jewish blood.! Does that also allow ME to go over and kick some poor Palestian around saying 'its because this is MY 'Promised Land'...

Promised by whom....and ...mmmm...was it in writing.???


Yep. UN Resolution 181 in 1947. Golly, crack a book sometime!doh

spainlover: How about the Italians going over in force and trying to takeover just because THEY used to live there 2000 years ago as well. [ after they also invaded of course.]


Sure. All they need to do is find a place where an empire has given up the land and ldeft it up for grabs, then have a world body decree by two thirds majority that it can form a nation or nations out of it for use by the historical indigenous people.

I doubt Romans would qualify for anything of the sort but if they did then sure.professor
Mar 31, 2012 5:13 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
spainlover
spainloverspainloverslough, Berkshire, England UK31 Posts
Albertaghost: Yep. UN Resolution 181 in 1947. Golly, crack a book sometime!
Sure. All they need to do is find a place where an empire has given up the land and ldeft it up for grabs, then have a world body decree by two thirds majority that it can form a nation or nations out of it for use by the historical indigenous people.

I doubt Romans would qualify for anything of the sort but if they did then sure.


Is this the same United Nations that the Jews completely disregard when it suits them.??
Mar 31, 2012 5:15 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
spainlover: Chris...you have TOTALLY misunderstood.!
No ,didn't,our History prosessor from post 420,will enlighten you.-
Mar 31, 2012 5:20 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
spainlover: STOLEN LAND
This is the first time I have EVER got invovled in any forum discussion but I felt I had no choice as I am absolutely inscensed seeing people discussing whether or not Palestine should be 'allowed' a State.!!

There will never be peace because the Jews STOLE the land with British complicity.!!

To say it is the Jews 'homeland' is nonsense.!!! How far do we go back in history to say where ones homeland is.?? 100 years.? 500 years.?
or how about 2000 years ??

Learn your history you whining liberals and see how you would like it if the Russians took over England.!!!


Russians taking over England.....Why not does not have any snags I see ......(JOKE)

As is your comment it was the British...

It was and always has been a UN decision,,,,,

Time and time again you all ignore that FACT UN 181 accepted by the Jews and not by the Aras who declared WAR

And guess what they lost....And have done ever since...


The Arabs got 80% of the Mandates French and British and they did not want the Jews to have the rest....So the War. And it has been War how many times since???

All to get that wee bit of land......So who started the fight



THE ARABS.....FACT

grin cheers
Mar 31, 2012 5:26 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Albertaghost: Well then if you propose that then where should the Palestinians live then seeing as how you are all for Israel keeping all of the land that the UN had in their wisdom offered to both?
""Wisdom of the UN,?????"" obviously no "wisdom" by the UN at the time, offering land to settlers,who had abandoned that area,for over 2000 years.Even the UN makes mistakes.
Mar 31, 2012 5:31 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
spainlover
spainloverspainloverslough, Berkshire, England UK31 Posts
patmac: Russians taking over England.....Why not does not have any snags I see ......(JOKE)

As is your comment it was the British...

It was and always has been a UN decision,,,,,

Time and time again you all ignore that FACT UN 181 accepted by the Jews and not by the Aras who declared WAR

And guess what they lost....And have done ever since...The Arabs got 80% of the Mandates French and British and they did not want the Jews to have the rest....So the War. And it has been War how many times since???

All to get that wee bit of land......So who started the fight
THE ARABS.....FACT


Yes but do not forget the Arabs and Jews lived in relative peace and harmony ....before millions of Jews entered Palestine and totally overwhelmed and out-numbered the Palestinians within a couple of years
of the Second World War.!!
And DO NOT forget how many British were also killed by the Jews in the meantime.!!!
Mar 31, 2012 5:34 PM CST Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
patmac: Russians taking over England.....Why not does not have any snags I see ......(JOKE)

As is your comment it was the British...

It was and always has been a UN decision,,,,,

Time and time again you all ignore that FACT UN 181 accepted by the Jews and not by the Aras who declared WAR

And guess what they lost....And have done ever since...The Arabs got 80% of the Mandates French and British and they did not want the Jews to have the rest....So the War. And it has been War how many times since???

All to get that wee bit of land......So who started the fight
THE ARABS.....FACT
Who initiated,land to be given to the jews. The British,with the Balfour declaration. FACT.-
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