Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)

Please,Ray,tell me when Israel beheaded a Gentile the last time for not keeping the Noahide Laws!

You sure know how to stoke the Fire,Ray!

Yep,Ray,the Lubavitchers sure are Mainstream Judaism!

Get real,Ray!
Get rid of that Phobia of yours.
It's destroying you!

and I suppose now you gonna tell me the are beheading People?

I never said the noahide laws are practiced in Israel.
After all, they are not intended for Jews.
The very word Noahide is a Jewish term for gentile.
The Noahide Laws are intended only for gentiles.

They are indeed however applied by Israel in the way they treats non-Jews.

The frequent murder of Palestinians without trial by means of rocket attacks on their homes or drone attacks on vehicles is an example.
So are the massacres of entire villages such as occurred in Jenin, Nablus, Deir Yassin, and elsewhere.

The chosen people give themselves the right to kill others summarily without a trial and without any sort of due process. That is exactly what the Noahide Laws call for. Courts made up of appointed judges that have absolute power to convict and execute anyone they choose, with our without any sort of trial. And mind you, the US has taken up exactly the same sort of evil. So far just for foreigners. But the time is coming when they will start to designate Americans as enemies. The Patriot Act, and the Military Commissions Act both call for just that sort of courts. And the bill Obama signed recently is even worse, classifying the entire world as a combat zone under which constitutional rights do not apply.

I suggest you re-read the Crap you posted as Truth to Max!
You implied every bit of it!
But people are getting hip to your MO,the same way they did to SB's Crud!

I have no idea what you're talking about that I "implied".
My posts were clear and I stand by them.
Maybe it's you who need to reread them as you seem to have some confusion about what I said.

As for my "MO" it's pretty straightforward. I state the truth and then back it up with supporting evidence. Neither of which you seem to be able to do.

you mean that I am not posting endless Reams of YouTube Vids like you?
In other words,by you posting them,you assure there is no Debate,like there would be with written Material!

and when you do post some Articles,they're off Conspiracy-Sites,or Extremist-Sites!
Historically totally worthless!

guess so.

Actually history is quite clear about when Israel existed. Including the date it was destroyed by the Assyrians. Never to exist again. Long before Talmudism (the forerunner of Judaism) even existed.

Don't confuse Israel with Judah.

The Jews and Israelites were enemies.
Both were Hebrews. Both traced their lineage back to Jacob.
But the Jews never lived in Israel.
They lived in Judah. Later called Judea.

Even if we accepted the claim of an ancient land birthright to the descendants of Abraham that birthright would have to include the Arabs and all the other tribes of the area because they were all part of the Abrahamic covenant.

Not only that, but the Israelites didn't perish when Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians. They just assimilated into the Assyrian culture. And their descendants would have just as much right to claim land as the Jews.

The Jews represent only 3 of the 13 tribes of the initial "children of Israel". And one of those 3 tribes, Benjamin, was almost wiped out by the other tribes when it rebelled. But I'll be generous and grant the Jews 3/13 of the promised land.

And that would leave them just what they actually had. The land of Judah (Judea)...just the area right around Jerusalem.

And Judah was not an independent country. It was ruled over by Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. In all Judah only had less than a hundred years of independence during its entire history.

So lets not make exaggerated claims about their "ownership" of the land. They lived in Judah under various empires, but they were not independent. The land was not "theirs".

As for ancient "Israel" the land of the other ten tribes (which was never ever "Jewish"), after the Assyrians conquered it, the land was given to other peoples. These people worshipped the same God of Abraham, but they were by no means Jewish, and never had anything to do with the Jews. The Jews despised them and the feeling was mutual.

So I would like you to explain to me Conrad, by what right Jews from East Europe and Russia could come to Palestine 2000 years after they had been thrown out of Judah for rebellion against the ruling power of Rome, and claim the entire land of Palestine, most of which had never ever been Jewish land at any time in history.

How is it that they can claim to be the sole descendants of Abraham when in fact all the other people of the area were also descendants of the same Abraham covenant and therefore heirs of the promise?

Especially considering the fact that the Zionists who did the invasion didn't even believe in God at all. But they still used that supposed promise as the basis of their right to steal the land of others.

It boggles the mind to think that an entire population could be so self-centered. It's like a huge worldwide cult based on voluntary self-induced sociopathic delusion.

ME-History according to Ray!

Collective guilt is only valid when the guilt is indeed collective.

For the record, only the guilty are guilty.
The innocent are innocent.

Feel better?

But birds of a feather do flock together.
And evil does beget evil.

Cult dogma tends to erase individuality and replace it with mindless group-thinking. So there is indeed a lot of collective guilt whenever there is collective dogma behind the guilt.

And delusions of supremacy are one of the most malignant forms of cult dogma.

Look what it did to the Germans, the Japanese, The Serbs, the Americans....

Of course those who reject the evil dogma have no guilt.
But they are generally a minority.

It takes courage to stand up against evil, because evildoers don't like to be exposed. They like to pretend that they are good, even when they're devouring the poor.

That's so typical of Pharisee thought.
You go on and on trying to prove some sort of genetic right of the Jews to invade Palestine.
But genes don't impart any rights whatsoever.
Forget the Khazars and their conversion to Judaism.
Forget the fact that the Jews never ever, at any time in history lived in any part of Palestine other than Judea.
Forget the fact that other empires conquered Judea many centuries before Christ and that the Jews only controlled even tiny Judea for less than a century.

Even if it were absolutely true that all Jews were the direct descendants of Abraham, it still wouldn't give them the right to come from all over the world and steal the land of the indigenous Palestinian people.

Your insistence on some sort of inherent right to steal the land is almost identical to the German "Aryan" delusion. An imagined right to steal the land of others by violence is evil. Can't you see that?

No amount of genetic BS can ever change that.

Why not? When I post videos and articles the statements are right there ready and waiting to be contradicted and debated. Yet you almost never address the facts, choosing instead to rely on personal criticism and attempts at ridicule.

I'd much rather see you try to defend your version of the truth, but you never do. You make a few totally unsupported claims and a couple of insults and then dash for cover behind your emoticons.