Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
spainlover: Well done Ray.!!
By the way if you have read my comments about America and the UN, I am not anti-American.! In fact it is the damned British, of which I am one, that has caused ALL of this trouble going back to the Balfour days and after the First World War. Not only did Britain unite all the Arabs to help the War effort and kick out the Turks and Germans[ when it suited Britain.!] but then reneged on the agreetment made with the Arabs after the war ended.
Finally, to add insult to injury, some generals and idiotic politicians decided WHOLE NEW Arab countries and regions, together with their NEW borders....with a sweep of a hand, using a childs crayon and an old map spread out on side table.!
They even gave them new names...bless them. Hence Syria, Iraq, Iran Palestine, Jordan etc.etc.
Hence the trouble today with ALL the warring Arab factions and clashing religious groups.
No, I blame the British.!! Wherever we have been we have left a legacy of turmoil behind.
By the way if you have read my comments about America and the UN, I am not anti-American.! In fact it is the damned British, of which I am one, that has caused ALL of this trouble going back to the Balfour days and after the First World War. Not only did Britain unite all the Arabs to help the War effort and kick out the Turks and Germans[ when it suited Britain.!] but then reneged on the agreetment made with the Arabs after the war ended.
Finally, to add insult to injury, some generals and idiotic politicians decided WHOLE NEW Arab countries and regions, together with their NEW borders....with a sweep of a hand, using a childs crayon and an old map spread out on side table.!
They even gave them new names...bless them. Hence Syria, Iraq, Iran Palestine, Jordan etc.etc.
Hence the trouble today with ALL the warring Arab factions and clashing religious groups.
No, I blame the British.!! Wherever we have been we have left a legacy of turmoil behind.
And of course, the evil Ottomans, the Muslim Caliphates and the Romans etc. Face it, there never were countries there, just occupied regions of land hence, there never was a nation of Palestine or "Syria, Iraq, Iran Palestine, Jordan etc.etc."
And so, the UN gave majority approval for two new nations - Israel and Palestine.
And the Palestinians as well as the majority of the Muslim nations did not accept it as they didn't like it. In you mind, where does the minority rule in a world forum where it is agreed that the majority rules?
spainlover: Oh I give up.!
No one country,or organisation, voting or not blah blah, has the right
allow millions of new-comers to takeover ANY country.!! End of. !
No one country,or organisation, voting or not blah blah, has the right
allow millions of new-comers to takeover ANY country.!! End of. !
Then we should allow Britain and France to move back in and rule it. Good bye Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait.
Bet if offered this responsibility they would quickly turn around and give the land to the people whom occupy it right now with Palestinians on the short end of the stick so, better to allow history to have taken it's course.
The real question is: should the Palestinians allow all Israeli coming in the area beginning 1947 or so?
Your qustion is cynical body!
Your qustion is cynical body!
RayfromUSA: You wouldn't know a FACT if it hit you in the face.
And just to prove that. It's about to happen.
Here is the Balfour declaration in its entirety.
See any mention at all of splitting the land?
Also notice the clause about nothing being done to abridge the rights of the native Palestinians.
The Balfour Declaration in no way whatsoever gave any land whatsoever to the Jews. It only said that England thought it would be a good idea if the Jews wanted to buy land for some settlements, not steal land from the Palestinians.
And just to prove that. It's about to happen.
Here is the Balfour declaration in its entirety.
See any mention at all of splitting the land?
Also notice the clause about nothing being done to abridge the rights of the native Palestinians.
The Balfour Declaration in no way whatsoever gave any land whatsoever to the Jews. It only said that England thought it would be a good idea if the Jews wanted to buy land for some settlements, not steal land from the Palestinians.
It says the government of Britain is all for the creation of a national home for the Jewish people. Golly Ray, if nobody had a problem there would have been no war and no need for Israel to arm themselves to the teeth but, as we know, someone didn't like it and decided not to follow the rules.
And that somebody was Muslim countries.
DurasDiurpaneus: The real question is: should the Palestinians allow all Israeli coming in the area beginning 1947 or so?
Your qustion is cynical body!
Your qustion is cynical body!
Moot. They'd better or they will be banging their head against a brick wall until they have big boo boos.
maxmate1: You all (gangmembers) are not stupid. I don't think so. I think you are well organized and equipped. So once again you are wrong about my understanding about how you all operate here.
I see your gang members are equipped with hate sites, poor understanding of the operational language of the forums (English) and fables so, suppose that anybody with minimal historical knowledge would seem to have an unfair advantage.
So, from one gang member with history providing insight I say to you, who is armed with innuendo, rhetoric and hate,.....
Have a great day!!
RayfromUSA: Don't wear yourself out trying to respond to people who aren't even sincere.
Just speak the truth boldly and clearly.
The sincere will hear it and appreciate it.
Don't even worry about the insincere.
Use their posts as springboards if convenient.
But don't worry about trying to convince them.
Just speak the truth boldly and clearly.
The sincere will hear it and appreciate it.
Don't even worry about the insincere.
Use their posts as springboards if convenient.
But don't worry about trying to convince them.
Use my legitimate questions as an anchor as Ray certainly isn't. He's in a world of his own and that world is Denial and Hate.
ZAKER: In FACT ISRAEL SHOULD ALLOW IT SELF TO BE OUT OF PALESTINE. It is an infiltrator State. Isnt it?
Actually Palestine is only a geographic area so those who are not of Israel (which is the only established nation there) are infiltrators.
Albertaghost: A secret plan only available via you tube from ray. Why do I smell crazy all of a sudden?
Nothing sudden about it.
You've always smelled crazy.
It's just that nobody wanted to mention it.
Albertaghost: It says the government of Britain is all for the creation of a national home for the Jewish people.
Breaking News:
The government of China is all for the creation of a national home for the Tibetans in Canada.
Problem solved.
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wow a lot weird stuff
tibetans in canada? jews as non natives in Israel? good grief. I don't know that the palestinians can manage their own state. they will reap what they sow
tibetans in canada? jews as non natives in Israel? good grief. I don't know that the palestinians can manage their own state. they will reap what they sow
felixis99: wow a lot weird stuff
tibetans in canada? jews as non natives in Israel? good grief. I don't know that the palestinians can manage their own state. they will reap what they sow
tibetans in canada? jews as non natives in Israel? good grief. I don't know that the palestinians can manage their own state. they will reap what they sow
Don't laugh, they've attempted to portray some unknowns infiltrating Wales as the equivalent, native American Indians declaring the US and Canada as their own after signing treaties to the opposite and even Italians taking over regions of Greece as the same as a people who have an historical right to a land and the blessing of the UN so lots of crazy stuff going on.
w/e...actually a lot of the Indians here have pretty much assimilated the economy unto themselves...
people can sign or say what ever they want - reality is often another thing entirely
people can sign or say what ever they want - reality is often another thing entirely
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Conrad73: Hot Damn!
24C down here.RayfromUSA: What a laugh. The IDF has never, ever, fought against a real army of any sort and won. Israeli gains have always been by surprise attacks followed by immediate ceasefires. When the Israelis tried to invade Egypt the Egyptians captured practically the whole Israeli army in a pincer movement in the Sinai, and immediately the US and western nations were screaming for a ceasefire. When the IDF went into Lebanon against Hezbollah they came limping back on the verge of collapse. And Hezbollah is just a militia, it has no airforce and is far from being an "army". Truth is, without massive US military aid every year, Israel would be forced to make peace and try to live in harmony with its neighbors instead of being an armed camp. It would be good for everybody, including the Israelis. But that's not going to happen. It will take an invasion and forced disarmament before Israel ever abandons its dream to conquer the whole Middle East.
is that why there were heaps of Egyptian Military Boots on the Road to Cairo back in '67,enabling the Egyptian Forces to run away faster?Interesting that Israel held Sinai for a long time!
Interesting that the '67 Armistice came when Israel was threatening Cairo!
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He became disillusioned with Zionism in the late 40s and became a whistle-blower to the US of the part that Zionism played in bringing the US into WW1. He also exposed how Zionism exerts tremendous pressure on the US government.
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