Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
r3y5a6: The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
The way the state of Israel was set up was wrong. I think everyone will agree to that. The UN had no right to make such a decision and tell Palestinian people that the land they lived in was know Israel and it belonged to the Jewish people worldwide. A decision like that would be never made today by the UN. Religion has no place in politics.
But having said that Israel is there now and it is there to stay. So both sides will have to comprimise. It seems an ugly word to both sides but its the only solution. Neither side is totally right or wrong with their arguments as both sides have very valid reasons they should ow the land. Until BOTH sides are willing to comprimise and the tit for tat killing and politics ends then there will never be peace in that region. JMO
wee wee wee ,hiding behind the skirts of woman aye hazimd blowing up woman and children will never get you any land , live in a camp all your life have you , had your head filled with crap from the time you were born no doubt . We can all be thankful there are Palestinian's smarter on a bad day than you on a row of good days . Pity your mullars never taught you a little history with an open mind . Israel will have to accept a two state solution , hopefully when the likes of you and your fellow travlers are sat on your arses JMHO
sofarsogood74: The way the state of Israel was set up was wrong. I think everyone will agree to that. The UN had no right to make such a decision and tell Palestinian people that the land they lived in was know Israel and it belonged to the Jewish people worldwide. A decision like that would be never made today by the UN. Religion has no place in politics.
But having said that Israel is there now and it is there to stay. So both sides will have to comprimise. It seems an ugly word to both sides but its the only solution. Neither side is totally right or wrong with their arguments as both sides have very valid reasons they should ow the land. Until BOTH sides are willing to comprimise and the tit for tat killing and politics ends then there will never be peace in that region. JMO
Resolution 181 provided a State for either Side,but the "All-Palestinian Government" under the Cahirmanship of Amin al-Husseini decided to go to War instead!But having said that Israel is there now and it is there to stay. So both sides will have to comprimise. It seems an ugly word to both sides but its the only solution. Neither side is totally right or wrong with their arguments as both sides have very valid reasons they should ow the land. Until BOTH sides are willing to comprimise and the tit for tat killing and politics ends then there will never be peace in that region. JMO
Needless to say that 80% of the Original Mandate was given to a minor Saudi-Prince,who then started the State of Jordan,and the Rest was then supposed to be divided between Israel and a Palestinian State!
A State of Palestine has never existed!
Conrad73: Resolution 181 provided a State for either Side,but the "All-Palestinian Government" under the Cahirmanship of Amin al-Husseini decided to go to War instead!
Needless to say that 80% of the Original Mandate was given to a minor Saudi-Prince,who then started the State of Jordan,and the Rest was then supposed to be divided between Israel and a Palestinian State!
A State of Palestine has never existed!
Needless to say that 80% of the Original Mandate was given to a minor Saudi-Prince,who then started the State of Jordan,and the Rest was then supposed to be divided between Israel and a Palestinian State!
A State of Palestine has never existed!
I know the history! Where did I say the state of Palestine did exist? The state of Israel didn't exist either until resolution 181. We all know about the Plan of Partition with Economic Union. That does not mean the decision was right. And it would not happen today. But as I said both sides need to comprimise. I don't see what your point was.
sofarsogood74: I know the history! Where did I say the state of Palestine did exist? The state of Israel didn't exist either until resolution 181. We all know about the Plan of Partition with Economic Union. That does not mean the decision was right. And it would not happen today. But as I said both sides need to comprimise. I don't see what your point was.
no know squat,as usual!Inform yourself about Husseini,and some of the Peices will fall in Place!
Srange,that even the Soviets cast a Yes-Vote for the formation of Israel!
You're posting your usual Balderash!
sofarsogood74: I know the history! Where did I say the state of Palestine did exist? The state of Israel didn't exist either until resolution 181. We all know about the Plan of Partition with Economic Union. That does not mean the decision was right. And it would not happen today. But as I said both sides need to comprimise. I don't see what your point was.
Kosovo!Can't happen today?
All the new States of the Former Yugoslavia!
Man o Man!
Besides,show me when Israel actually ceased to exist,or the Jews renounced their Right to the Land!
Bet you're Keen to explain on Down!
Conrad73: no know squat,as usual!
Inform yourself about Husseini,and some of the Peices will fall in Place!
Srange,that even the Soviets cast a Yes-Vote for the formation of Israel!
You're posting your usual Balderash!
Inform yourself about Husseini,and some of the Peices will fall in Place!
Srange,that even the Soviets cast a Yes-Vote for the formation of Israel!
You're posting your usual Balderash!
That is my point. Who are the soviets to say what should happen in that area of the world? Only the people from that area should have been allowed say what happens. What if the UN decided tomorrow that Switzerland should become part of Germany. They called it UN resolution 12345678 and the soviets voted for it....would that make it right? The way the state of Israel was formed was wrong, totally wrong.
But it is a state now and it is there to stay and the people of Israel deserve to live in peace, just like the palestinian people deserve a homeland. So comprimise will have to be found...and quoting resolution from over 60 yesr ago is not the way forward! My postings above are 100% fact and the fact you call them balderdash shows how ignorant you are really. You never add to a debate, you never give your opinion. You google stuff and give us what you find (stuff we already know without google) and then think you are vastly intelligent about world affairs. When infact all you can do is read.
Conrad73: Kosovo!
Can't happen today?
All the new States of the Former Yugoslavia!
Man o Man!
Besides,show me when Israel actually ceased to exist,or the Jews renounced their Right to the Land!
Bet you're Keen to explain on Down!
Can't happen today?
All the new States of the Former Yugoslavia!
Man o Man!
Besides,show me when Israel actually ceased to exist,or the Jews renounced their Right to the Land!
Bet you're Keen to explain on Down!
As usual you are full of it. Did you google new states formed? What I said it THE WAY THE STATE OF ISRAEL WAS FORMED WOULD NOT HAPPEN TODAY! I did not say new states can not be formed.
And can you show me where Israel started to exist? Where is says the jews own the land? The bible doesn't count because in the modern world books of fiction dont stand up in court!
sofarsogood74: That is my point. Who are the soviets to say what should happen in that area of the world? Only the people from that area should have been allowed say what happens. What if the UN decided tomorrow that Switzerland should become part of Germany. They called it UN resolution 12345678 and the soviets voted for it....would that make it right? The way the state of Israel was formed was wrong, totally wrong.
But it is a state now and it is there to stay and the people of Israel deserve to live in peace, just like the palestinian people deserve a homeland. So comprimise will have to be found...and quoting resolution from over 60 yesr ago is not the way forward! My postings above are 100% fact and the fact you call them balderdash shows how ignorant you are really. You never add to a debate, you never give your opinion. You google stuff and give us what you find (stuff we already know without google) and then think you are vastly intelligent about world affairs. When infact all you can do is read.
The Soviets voted in the UN,in '47 on the Creation of Israel!But it is a state now and it is there to stay and the people of Israel deserve to live in peace, just like the palestinian people deserve a homeland. So comprimise will have to be found...and quoting resolution from over 60 yesr ago is not the way forward! My postings above are 100% fact and the fact you call them balderdash shows how ignorant you are really. You never add to a debate, you never give your opinion. You google stuff and give us what you find (stuff we already know without google) and then think you are vastly intelligent about world affairs. When infact all you can do is read.
And they Voted yes!
Seems your Mind isn't as reliable as you think,since you apparently do not need Facts to talk on an Issue!
Sunshine,I was alive when all that happened!
No,Mister,your MO is well known!
New Shirts don't fool people!
sofarsogood74: As usual you are full of it. Did you google new states formed? What I said it THE WAY THE STATE OF ISRAEL WAS FORMED WOULD NOT HAPPEN TODAY! I did not say new states can not be formed.
And can you show me where Israel started to exist? Where is says the jews own the land? The bible doesn't count because in the modern world books of fiction dont stand up in court!
who were the Idiots that went to War in'48?And can you show me where Israel started to exist? Where is says the jews own the land? The bible doesn't count because in the modern world books of fiction dont stand up in court!
Read your History,Son!
The existence of Israel is a Fact independent of the Bible!
SheeshConrad73: The Soviets voted in the UN,in '47 on the Creation of Israel!
And they Voted yes!
Seems your Mind isn't as reliable as you think,since you apparently do not need Facts to talk on an Issue!Sunshine,I was alive when all that happened! No,Mister,your MO is well known!
New Shirts don't fool people!
And they Voted yes!
Seems your Mind isn't as reliable as you think,since you apparently do not need Facts to talk on an Issue!Sunshine,I was alive when all that happened! No,Mister,your MO is well known!
New Shirts don't fool people!
Waffle...Complet waffle. Lets look at the above.
So what if the Soviets voted yes!I know they voted yes. Does that make it right? You never answered my question about Switzerland! The soviets / Russians have vetod a current UN resolution on Syria. Are they right on that too?
So you were alive whn it happened? So what? Where you there? the fact you were alive gives you no more insight than I have now so that is another ridicioulas argument.
You have made no intelligent argument at all. As usual.
Conrad73: who were the Idiots that went to War in'48?
Read your History,Son!
The existence of Israel is a Fact independent of the Bible! Sheesh
Read your History,Son!
The existence of Israel is a Fact independent of the Bible! Sheesh
I know who went to war in 48. They went to war because the disagreed with a UN resolution that was completly wrong. If the UN tomorrow said Switzerland was now part of Germany and called it resolution 12345678 would your fellow countrymen go to war? Or would you accept it because the UN said so and Russians voted yes.
The existance of Israel is fact now, beacuse of res 181...But where does it say it existed before that? Other than in the bible?
sofarsogood74: Waffle...Complet waffle. Lets look at the above.
So what if the Soviets voted yes!I know they voted yes. Does that make it right? You never answered my question about Switzerland! The soviets / Russians have vetod a current UN resolution on Syria. Are they right on that too?
So you were alive whn it happened? So what? Where you there? the fact you were alive gives you no more insight than I have now so that is another ridicioulas argument.
You have made no intelligent argument at all. As usual.
you rally need to crack a Book now and then!So what if the Soviets voted yes!I know they voted yes. Does that make it right? You never answered my question about Switzerland! The soviets / Russians have vetod a current UN resolution on Syria. Are they right on that too?
So you were alive whn it happened? So what? Where you there? the fact you were alive gives you no more insight than I have now so that is another ridicioulas argument.
You have made no intelligent argument at all. As usual.
Besides,that EMO is really giving you away!
You're wiping with that Hoola-Hoop again!
Conrad73: you rally need to crack a Book now and then!
Besides,that EMO is really giving you away!
You're wiping with that Hoola-Hoop again!
Besides,that EMO is really giving you away!
You're wiping with that Hoola-Hoop again!
Good argument. Again I wipe the floor with you. No counter argument at all....Are you sure you don't just want to say "poo". Thats the normal response.
sofarsogood74: Good argument. Again I wipe the floor with you. No counter argument at all....Are you sure you don't just want to say "poo". Thats the normal response.
Now,maybe you can explain to me how you can know things without reading?Are you Psychic?
You lost every Argument as far back as when you were Kev and Keene!
Even your Compatriots thought so!
Sure glad you make up the Facts you're talking about inside your Head!
Conrad73: Now,maybe you can explain to me how you can know things without reading?
Are you Psychic?
You lost every Argument as far back as when you were Kev and Keene!
Even your Compatriots thought so!
Sure glad you make up the Facts you're talking about inside your Head!
Are you Psychic?
You lost every Argument as far back as when you were Kev and Keene!
Even your Compatriots thought so!
Sure glad you make up the Facts you're talking about inside your Head!
Well you can learn things by watching the news. You can learn things in lectures and listening to speeches. But you see a yopic on here and the you google it, throw up some facts and pretend you are so intelligent about world affairs, when in fact you are quite ignorant.
And tell me how I have lost this argument? I said the way the state of Israel was set up was wrong. I saif there is no way the UN would act that way today againts the will of the majority of people in the area. I also said Israel is a stae now and it is there to stay so comprimise is needed by both sides.
So show me where you proved any of this wrong? All yopu did was quote resolution 181 and say the soviets voted for it too so all is OK.
Great argument. You really should not get into debates on here as you have not got the brains or aptitude for them.
Albertaghost: And you also believe there should be an initial invasi0on to rid the region of militant Islam as well right?
It was an invasion by foreign Zionists that caused the trouble in the first place.
The PLO is not an Islamist movement at all. It is a resistance movement composed of the indigenous Palestinian people including many who are not Muslims.
Hamas is supposedly an Islamist movement but it was created in Israel by Israelis and it is still controlled by Israel. It's purpose is to allow Israel to pretend that the war is about religion when in fact it is an invasion by a foreign power (Zionism) and includes a policy of ethnic cleansing to displace or kill the native Palestinian population.
Albertaghost:
As for sharing I do believe Israel accepted the precepts of UN Resolution 181 and the Palestinians did not so.
As for sharing I do believe Israel accepted the precepts of UN Resolution 181 and the Palestinians did not so.
Israel didn't even exist at the time of Resolution 181. Palestine was under a British protectorate. Neither Britain nor the UN had any legal right to partition Palestine or give any part of it away. Of course the Palestinians didn't approve of the resolution.
No nation would approve a UN resolution to steal half of its territory and import a lot of foreigners to create a new state.
Here's the full story of that resolution by the way. The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
And since you brought up the question of UN resolutions.
These are just the resolutions censuring Israel that the US used its veto power to block.
RayfromUSA: It was an invasion by foreign Zionists that caused the trouble in the first place.
The PLO is not an Islamist movement at all. It is a resistance movement composed of the indigenous Palestinian people including many who are not Muslims.
Hamas is supposedly an Islamist movement but it was created in Israel by Israelis and it is still controlled by Israel. It's purpose is to allow Israel to pretend that the war is about religion when in fact it is an invasion by a foreign power (Zionism) and includes a policy of ethnic cleansing to displace or kill the native Palestinian population.
Israel didn't even exist at the time of Resolution 181. Palestine was under a British protectorate. Neither Britain nor the UN had any legal right to partition Palestine or give any part of it away. Of course the Palestinians didn't approve of the resolution.
No nation would approve a UN resolution to steal half of its territory and import a lot of foreigners to create a new state.
Here's the full story of that resolution by the way. The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
And since you brought up the question of UN resolutions.
These are just the resolutions censuring Israel that the US used its veto power to block.
The PLO is not an Islamist movement at all. It is a resistance movement composed of the indigenous Palestinian people including many who are not Muslims.
Hamas is supposedly an Islamist movement but it was created in Israel by Israelis and it is still controlled by Israel. It's purpose is to allow Israel to pretend that the war is about religion when in fact it is an invasion by a foreign power (Zionism) and includes a policy of ethnic cleansing to displace or kill the native Palestinian population.
Israel didn't even exist at the time of Resolution 181. Palestine was under a British protectorate. Neither Britain nor the UN had any legal right to partition Palestine or give any part of it away. Of course the Palestinians didn't approve of the resolution.
No nation would approve a UN resolution to steal half of its territory and import a lot of foreigners to create a new state.
Here's the full story of that resolution by the way. The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
And since you brought up the question of UN resolutions.
These are just the resolutions censuring Israel that the US used its veto power to block.
RayfromUSA: It was an invasion by foreign Zionists that caused the trouble in the first place.
The PLO is not an Islamist movement at all. It is a resistance movement composed of the indigenous Palestinian people including many who are not Muslims.
Hamas is supposedly an Islamist movement but it was created in Israel by Israelis and it is still controlled by Israel. It's purpose is to allow Israel to pretend that the war is about religion when in fact it is an invasion by a foreign power (Zionism) and includes a policy of ethnic cleansing to displace or kill the native Palestinian population.
Israel didn't even exist at the time of Resolution 181. Palestine was under a British protectorate. Neither Britain nor the UN had any legal right to partition Palestine or give any part of it away. Of course the Palestinians didn't approve of the resolution.
No nation would approve a UN resolution to steal half of its territory and import a lot of foreigners to create a new state.
Here's the full story of that resolution by the way. The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
And since you brought up the question of UN resolutions.
These are just the resolutions censuring Israel that the US used its veto power to block.
Strange,Ray,in an earlier one of your Posts you claim that all the People over there were the same!The PLO is not an Islamist movement at all. It is a resistance movement composed of the indigenous Palestinian people including many who are not Muslims.
Hamas is supposedly an Islamist movement but it was created in Israel by Israelis and it is still controlled by Israel. It's purpose is to allow Israel to pretend that the war is about religion when in fact it is an invasion by a foreign power (Zionism) and includes a policy of ethnic cleansing to displace or kill the native Palestinian population.
Israel didn't even exist at the time of Resolution 181. Palestine was under a British protectorate. Neither Britain nor the UN had any legal right to partition Palestine or give any part of it away. Of course the Palestinians didn't approve of the resolution.
No nation would approve a UN resolution to steal half of its territory and import a lot of foreigners to create a new state.
Here's the full story of that resolution by the way. The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
And since you brought up the question of UN resolutions.
These are just the resolutions censuring Israel that the US used its veto power to block.
Can you please make up your mind?
Besides the latest Genetic Research show that the ones you call Foreigners really have a Genetic Connection to the ME!
RayfromUSA: It was an invasion by foreign Zionists that caused the trouble in the first place.... The US and international Zionism pressured nations to support the resolution in the general assembly.
Come to think of it, that entire website is a goldmine of information for anyone seeking a balanced view of the issue.
We have heard the Israeli side of the debate from the Jewish controlled press for our entire lives. It's worth a couple of hours to hear the other side of the story.
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RayfromUSA: Come to think of it, that entire website is a goldmine of information for anyone seeking a balanced view of the issue.
We have heard the Israeli side of the debate from the Jewish controlled press for our entire lives. It's worth a couple of hours to hear the other side of the story.
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We have heard the Israeli side of the debate from the Jewish controlled press for our entire lives. It's worth a couple of hours to hear the other side of the story.
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How did Palestine come to this?
ask Amin al-Husseini and his All-Palestine Government!
Conrad73: How did Palestine come to this?
ask Amin al-Husseini and his All-Palestine Government!
First Lie,there was NO Nation of Palestine!ask Amin al-Husseini and his All-Palestine Government!
Conrad73: First Lie,there was NO Nation of Palestine!
regardless of Amin and his Boys!Palestine was a Mandate administered by the British!
and all those Links ain't gonna change that!
RayfromUSA: Come to think of it, that entire website is a goldmine of information for anyone seeking a balanced view of the issue.
We have heard the Israeli side of the debate from the Jewish controlled press for our entire lives. It's worth a couple of hours to hear the other side of the story.
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In that Case Jordan would be illegal too,since it was carved out by the Brits from the original Mandate and given to some minor Saudi Prince?We have heard the Israeli side of the debate from the Jewish controlled press for our entire lives. It's worth a couple of hours to hear the other side of the story.
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Iraq,Lebanon,Syria and quite a few more Nations in the ME would be illegal too according to your Rules!
Can't have it both ways,Ray,can't have it both ways!
Ether all States created in the ME after the Defeat of the Ottomans are illegal and ought to be abolished,or they are legal and ought to be respected!
Resolution 181 was to create a Palestinian State,but their Leaders,as usual,goofed!
Now you come and say,nope,they didn't,they owned everything,Kit and Kabboodle,while the Majority of the Land was owned by Absentee Landowners in Beirut,Damascus and elsewhere,and a good bit was bought by the Jews!
Now Ray is gonna fix what need no fixing!
Conrad73:
Besides,show me when Israel actually ceased to exist,or the Jews renounced their Right to the Land!
Bet you're Keen to explain on Down!
You show any claim to the land by the Jews, the last 2000 years till the Balfour Declaration.Besides,show me when Israel actually ceased to exist,or the Jews renounced their Right to the Land!
Bet you're Keen to explain on Down!
chris27292729: You show any claim to the land by the Jews, the last 2000 years till the Balfour Declaration.
Go drink your Retsina,Chris!There were always Jews living in the Land!
sofarsogood74: That is my point. Who are the soviets to say what should happen in that area of the world? Only the people from that area should have been allowed say what happens. What if the UN decided tomorrow that Switzerland should become part of Germany. They called it UN resolution 12345678 and the soviets voted for it....would that make it right? The way the state of Israel was formed was wrong, totally wrong.
But it is a state now and it is there to stay and the people of Israel deserve to live in peace, just like the palestinian people deserve a homeland. So comprimise will have to be found...and quoting resolution from over 60 yesr ago is not the way forward! My postings above are 100% fact and the fact you call them balderdash shows how ignorant you are really. You never add to a debate, you never give your opinion. You google stuff and give us what you find (stuff we already know without google) and then think you are vastly intelligent about world affairs. When infact all you can do is read.
Except that Switzerland is a Sovereign State,not an UN-Mandate!But it is a state now and it is there to stay and the people of Israel deserve to live in peace, just like the palestinian people deserve a homeland. So comprimise will have to be found...and quoting resolution from over 60 yesr ago is not the way forward! My postings above are 100% fact and the fact you call them balderdash shows how ignorant you are really. You never add to a debate, you never give your opinion. You google stuff and give us what you find (stuff we already know without google) and then think you are vastly intelligent about world affairs. When infact all you can do is read.
sofarsogood74: Waffle...Complet waffle. Lets look at the above.
So what if the Soviets voted yes!I know they voted yes. Does that make it right? You never answered my question about Switzerland! The soviets / Russians have vetod a current UN resolution on Syria. Are they right on that too?
So you were alive whn it happened? So what? Where you there? the fact you were alive gives you no more insight than I have now so that is another ridicioulas argument.
You have made no intelligent argument at all. As usual.
says the Guy who makes up Facts in his own Head,then expects People to take them for real!So what if the Soviets voted yes!I know they voted yes. Does that make it right? You never answered my question about Switzerland! The soviets / Russians have vetod a current UN resolution on Syria. Are they right on that too?
So you were alive whn it happened? So what? Where you there? the fact you were alive gives you no more insight than I have now so that is another ridicioulas argument.
You have made no intelligent argument at all. As usual.
Conrad73: Go drink your Retsina,Chris!
There were always Jews living in the Land!
Were they more than the Palestinians????? on the Balfour Declaration.There were always Jews living in the Land!
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