Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
spainlover: Well Nutmeg...another good point.! [You really must be swotting up on Wikipeadia at the moment. Thats probably why so long between each comment.]
You describe yet ANOTHER analagy when the English and French crusaders invaded 'the holy land.' Yet what happened then is that the Arabs outnumbered the Europeans and kicked them out.!!
The only difference is that the Jews quickly and cleverly out-numbered the Palestinians.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..after Islam invaded Europe and the Holy Land!You describe yet ANOTHER analagy when the English and French crusaders invaded 'the holy land.' Yet what happened then is that the Arabs outnumbered the Europeans and kicked them out.!!
The only difference is that the Jews quickly and cleverly out-numbered the Palestinians.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crusades came after that!
Conrad73: yeah,Ray!
Getting clearer by the Day what Camp you're from!
End-Time-Teachings are a bad place to be!
was subjected to it myself,until I broke free!Getting clearer by the Day what Camp you're from!
End-Time-Teachings are a bad place to be!
Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi told the Peel Commission in 1937: "There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"
In 1946, Arab historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that "there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
In 1947, Arab leaders protesting the UN partition plan argued that Palestine was part of Syria and “politically, the Arabs of Palestine (were) not (an) independent separate … political entity.”
An executive committee member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein confirmed that there is no such thing as a separate “palestinian” people of Arab descent. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 31, 1977, he stated the following:
"The palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. “
In 1946, Arab historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that "there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
In 1947, Arab leaders protesting the UN partition plan argued that Palestine was part of Syria and “politically, the Arabs of Palestine (were) not (an) independent separate … political entity.”
An executive committee member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein confirmed that there is no such thing as a separate “palestinian” people of Arab descent. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 31, 1977, he stated the following:
"The palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. “
spainlover: Well Nutmeg...another good point.! [You really must be swotting up on Wikipeadia at the moment. Thats probably why so long between each comment.]
You describe yet ANOTHER analagy when the English and French crusaders invaded 'the holy land.' Yet what happened then is that the Arabs outnumbered the Europeans and kicked them out.!!
The only difference is that the Jews quickly and cleverly out-numbered the Palestinians.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You describe yet ANOTHER analagy when the English and French crusaders invaded 'the holy land.' Yet what happened then is that the Arabs outnumbered the Europeans and kicked them out.!!
The only difference is that the Jews quickly and cleverly out-numbered the Palestinians.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well nut meg, I know how to spell analogy. No wiki needed on my prior post. Which you clearly ignore.
But there was no gold rush in the middle east that drew either Jew or Muslim to the area. There was no 100,000 acres of open range land that only the buffalo roamed. So when you compare Arab/Jew history to American Indian/western movement of whites history....it is a weak one at best.
But these is one common factor. The American Indian and Middle Eastern Bedioun were both nomadic. Meaning if you look up the word in the dictionary.....they moved from spot to spot.....and did not own land.
Opps.....were does that place your theory that Muslims were in Israel first? Do nomadic people own land? The answer there is no.
spainlover:
AND ALL BECAUSE THEY CALLED IT THE 'PROMISED LAND'. PROMISED NOT BY BALFOUR !!... BUT BY SOMEONE CALLED 'GOD'....THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.!!
It seems "God" repeatedly "promised" this land a few times.First to Abraaham from Ur,then to Moses from Egypt,and lastly "God" ordered UN to do his job,as he had enough repeating Himself.AND ALL BECAUSE THEY CALLED IT THE 'PROMISED LAND'. PROMISED NOT BY BALFOUR !!... BUT BY SOMEONE CALLED 'GOD'....THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.!!
Carl96190: Actually, Conrad, the total for Stalin and Lenin (a Jew) has been put at around 60 million, almost all of whom were white Christians. That would include the 20 million Ukranians who were starved to death by Lenin because they refused to go along with collectivised farming. Look it up.
As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
First time I heard that Lenin was a jew. I thought he renounced the faith to become part of the communist party. That his ancessors were jewish. But maybe we quibble there.
The photos of gas chambers I saw were of white tile. Not red brick.
Again a point of quibbling. But so they could be washed of the gas after the bodies were removed.
Jewish terrorism. Jewish terrorism did occur. But it was never targetted early on Arab or Muslim in the area. But on the British protectorates that were there. One of the reason the British decided to leave the area was a bomb detonation on a English police station.
Having said that. Yasser Arafat deciding to blow up irrigation canals in southern Israel was also a act of terrorism in my opinion. The jewish settlers were attempting to make a garden in the desert. 100s of man hours when into the canals. They are trying to feed a nation. A nation that included Arabs and Palsetine. What right does Arafat have to destroy their efforts?
Carl96190: Actually, Conrad, the total for Stalin and Lenin (a Jew) has been put at around 60 million, almost all of whom were white Christians. That would include the 20 million Ukranians who were starved to death by Lenin because they refused to go along with collectivised farming. Look it up.
As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
we all know where your allegiance lies,Carl!As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
told us often enough!
chris27292729: It seems "God" repeatedly "promised" this land a few times.First to Abraaham from Ur,then to Moses from Egypt,and lastly "God" ordered UN to do his job,as he had enough repeating Himself.
Wow. You actually buy into that crap. Not even Jewish people do for the most part.
On the other hand, Muslims sure believe that the entire Middle East is theirs.
ttom500: First time I heard that Lenin was a jew. I thought he renounced the faith to become part of the communist party. That his ancessors were jewish. But maybe we quibble there.
The photos of gas chambers I saw were of white tile. Not red brick.
Again a point of quibbling. But so they could be washed of the gas after the bodies were removed.
Jewish terrorism. Jewish terrorism did occur. But it was never targetted early on Arab or Muslim in the area. But on the British protectorates that were there. One of the reason the British decided to leave the area was a bomb detonation on a English police station.
Having said that. Yasser Arafat deciding to blow up irrigation canals in southern Israel was also a act of terrorism in my opinion. The jewish settlers were attempting to make a garden in the desert. 100s of man hours when into the canals. They are trying to feed a nation. A nation that included Arabs and Palsetine. What right does Arafat have to destroy their efforts?
Carl just dipped into the Leuchter-Report once too often!The photos of gas chambers I saw were of white tile. Not red brick.
Again a point of quibbling. But so they could be washed of the gas after the bodies were removed.
Jewish terrorism. Jewish terrorism did occur. But it was never targetted early on Arab or Muslim in the area. But on the British protectorates that were there. One of the reason the British decided to leave the area was a bomb detonation on a English police station.
Having said that. Yasser Arafat deciding to blow up irrigation canals in southern Israel was also a act of terrorism in my opinion. The jewish settlers were attempting to make a garden in the desert. 100s of man hours when into the canals. They are trying to feed a nation. A nation that included Arabs and Palsetine. What right does Arafat have to destroy their efforts?
Leuchter and Zündel,two typical Holocaust-Deniers!
Carl96190: Actually, Conrad, the total for Stalin and Lenin (a Jew) has been put at around 60 million, almost all of whom were white Christians. That would include the 20 million Ukranians who were starved to death by Lenin because they refused to go along with collectivised farming. Look it up.
As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
actually,Carl,what does Lenin's possible quarter-Jewishness have to do with anything?As for the six million, I will not get into that, but you might want to explain why the bricks inside the so-called gas chambers are still red, which means that they have never been exposed to cyanide gas.
This thread is about Palestine, not the real or imagined six million.
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, not the Jews who stole it.
You and I both know that the Arabs did not know what terrorism was until they learned it from the Jewish Stern Gangs and Irgun who massacred entire Palestinian villages.
Every time that I hear of a rocket landing on Itzalie, or a bomb going off somewhere, the word 'karma' flashes through my mind.
Else than being a Red Herring?
Conrad73: actually,Carl,what does Lenin's possible quarter-Jewishness have to do with anything?
Else than being a Red Herring?
Else than being a Red Herring?
All historical references about who owned what and who "God" gave the Land to are all RED HERRINGS.
All references to Holocaust, Russian Millions who died, who's empire it was once are all RED HERRINGS
As was the Balfour Declaration on the British and French Mandates RED HERRINGS
It boils down to one plain smple fact the world estalished the state of Israel when it gave the UN THE RIGHT to decide and it did with UN181
PASSED I MAY WITHOUT A VETO FROM THE BIG 5 AND WITH A 75% VOTE IN FAVOUR.
That established the states in the area. FACT.
Arabs did not want this and declared war FACT
They lost and have done so ever since FACT
Live with facts folks as all your waffle and flim flam mean nothing and have done so since THE WORLD DECIDED WHO GOT WHAT AND THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT....
So simple when you deal with facts not Denial or God given rubbish.
patmac: All historical references about who owned what and who "God" gave the Land to are all RED HERRINGS.All references to Holocaust, Russian Millions who died, who's empire it was once are all RED HERRINGS
As was the Balfour Declaration on the British and French Mandates RED HERRINGS
It boils down to one plain smple fact the world estalished the state of Israel when it gave the UN THE RIGHT to decide and it did with UN181
PASSED I MAY WITHOUT A VETO FROM THE BIG 5 AND WITH A 75% VOTE IN FAVOUR.That established the states in the area. FACT.
Arabs did not want this and declared war FACT
They lost and have done so ever since FACT
Live with facts folks as all your waffle and flim flam mean nothing and have done so since THE WORLD DECIDED WHO GOT WHAT AND THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT....So simple when you deal with facts not Denial or God given rubbish.
actually what we have in this Thread again is a lot of SB-esque Obfuscation!As was the Balfour Declaration on the British and French Mandates RED HERRINGS
It boils down to one plain smple fact the world estalished the state of Israel when it gave the UN THE RIGHT to decide and it did with UN181
PASSED I MAY WITHOUT A VETO FROM THE BIG 5 AND WITH A 75% VOTE IN FAVOUR.That established the states in the area. FACT.
Arabs did not want this and declared war FACT
They lost and have done so ever since FACT
Live with facts folks as all your waffle and flim flam mean nothing and have done so since THE WORLD DECIDED WHO GOT WHAT AND THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT....So simple when you deal with facts not Denial or God given rubbish.
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACTS FOR ALL CONCERNED ON THIS THREAD:
Wow_Factor: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACTS FOR ALL CONCERNED ON THIS THREAD:
Sorry Wow, I am fed up to the back teeth with all the flim flam and nonsense about Israel and all the who, what, why and when.
Plain fact the WORLD gave the UN the power and the UN passed 181 Fact
Anything else is totally irrelevant as the WORLD had had enough of wars and that is why they passed 181 with NO VETO and a huge Majority.
Live with that fact folks. Nothing else matters. And the Arabs should have realised this fact in the first place.
They displaced their own folk to get greater numbers for the war and got beat. Fact.
Anything else other than these facts is a total red herring. So I for one refuse to open any U-tube Nonsense that supports either side.
Deal with the plain fact 181 was passed and the WORLD established the states.
So Israel has a complete right to exist. FACT.
Why you all bother with flim flam and refuse to see the plain and undisputale fact baffles me.
patmac: Sorry Wow, I am fed up to the back teeth with all the flim flam and nonsense about Israel and all the who, what, why and when.Plain fact the WORLD gave the UN the power and the UN passed 181 Fact
Anything else is totally irrelevant as the WORLD had had enough of wars and that is why they passed 181 with NO VETO and a huge Majority.
Live with that fact folks. Nothing else matters. And the Arabs should have realised this fact in the first place.
They displaced their own folk to get greater numbers for the war and got beat. Fact.
Anything else other than these facts is a total red herring. So I for one refuse to open any U-tube Nonsense that supports either side.
Deal with the plain fact 181 was passed and the WORLD established the states.
So Israel has a complete right to exist. FACT.
Why you all bother with flim flam and refuse to see the plain and undisputale fact baffles me.
Anything else is totally irrelevant as the WORLD had had enough of wars and that is why they passed 181 with NO VETO and a huge Majority.
Live with that fact folks. Nothing else matters. And the Arabs should have realised this fact in the first place.
They displaced their own folk to get greater numbers for the war and got beat. Fact.
Anything else other than these facts is a total red herring. So I for one refuse to open any U-tube Nonsense that supports either side.
Deal with the plain fact 181 was passed and the WORLD established the states.
So Israel has a complete right to exist. FACT.
Why you all bother with flim flam and refuse to see the plain and undisputale fact baffles me.
Great post.
patmac: Sorry Wow, I am fed up to the back teeth with all the flim flam and nonsense about Israel and all the who, what, why and when.Plain fact the WORLD gave the UN the power and the UN passed 181 Fact
Anything else is totally irrelevant as the WORLD had had enough of wars and that is why they passed 181 with NO VETO and a huge Majority.
Live with that fact folks. Nothing else matters. And the Arabs should have realised this fact in the first place.
They displaced their own folk to get greater numbers for the war and got beat. Fact.
Anything else other than these facts is a total red herring. So I for one refuse to open any U-tube Nonsense that supports either side.
Deal with the plain fact 181 was passed and the WORLD established the states.
So Israel has a complete right to exist. FACT.
Why you all bother with flim flam and refuse to see the plain and undisputale fact baffles me.
Anything else is totally irrelevant as the WORLD had had enough of wars and that is why they passed 181 with NO VETO and a huge Majority.
Live with that fact folks. Nothing else matters. And the Arabs should have realised this fact in the first place.
They displaced their own folk to get greater numbers for the war and got beat. Fact.
Anything else other than these facts is a total red herring. So I for one refuse to open any U-tube Nonsense that supports either side.
Deal with the plain fact 181 was passed and the WORLD established the states.
So Israel has a complete right to exist. FACT.
Why you all bother with flim flam and refuse to see the plain and undisputale fact baffles me.
Of course Israel has the right to exist. But there is still an argument there. There is the argument of was it right the UN set up the state of Israel. Was it right the UN went against the majority view in that area of the world. Was it right the UN gave a religious group a state based on a religious scripture. And if the UN did it because they were sick of war then more questions need to be answered because there has been a lot of wars since then. Everybody has a right to their opinion on how the state of Israel was set up. We all know Israel is there to stay and the people odf Israel have a right to peace. But the Palestinian people also have a right to a homeland. And weather yu like it or not people have a right to express their opinion on the way the stste was set up. In my opinion it was not right. JMO ...But having said that I agree now the state is there it has a right to exist in peace.
sofarsogood74: Of course Israel has the right to exist. But there is still an argument there. There is the argument of was it right the UN set up the state of Israel. Was it right the UN went against the majority view in that area of the world. Was it right the UN gave a religious group a state based on a religious scripture. And if the UN did it because they were sick of war then more questions need to be answered because there has been a lot of wars since then. Everybody has a right to their opinion on how the state of Israel was set up. We all know Israel is there to stay and the people odf Israel have a right to peace. But the Palestinian people also have a right to a homeland. And weather yu like it or not people have a right to express their opinion on the way the stste was set up. In my opinion it was not right. JMO ...But having said that I agree now the state is there it has a right to exist in peace.
You are missing his point somewhat. The 'right or wrong' is irrelevant. This point has been argued on this site ad nauseum for years without any agreement or viable solution posited. Moreover, regarding this issue, the opinions of people on a dating site forum are rather meaningless when one considers the magnitude of the situation.
Fact: If anti-semitism didn't exist, the Jewish people wouldn't feel the need for a homeland. But, it does exist and this people has suffered more than any group in History. It's not the figures that matter, but that the Jewish people were the subject of industrialised extermination procedures. A precedent in human atrocity that has set an example for all future barbarians.
sofarsogood74: Of course Israel has the right to exist. But there is still an argument there. There is the argument of was it right the UN set up the state of Israel. Was it right the UN went against the majority view in that area of the world. Was it right the UN gave a religious group a state based on a religious scripture. And if the UN did it because they were sick of war then more questions need to be answered because there has been a lot of wars since then. Everybody has a right to their opinion on how the state of Israel was set up. We all know Israel is there to stay and the people odf Israel have a right to peace. But the Palestinian people also have a right to a homeland. And weather yu like it or not people have a right to express their opinion on the way the stste was set up. In my opinion it was not right. JMO ...But having said that I agree now the state is there it has a right to exist in peace.
More flim flam.
The UN was given the right and the world voted by a huge majority NOT AS YOU TRY TO SAY, 75% were for and for one of the few times ever NO VETO .....
The Land was carved up and the Arabs got 80%.
Not happy THEY and remember only THEY declared war and lost....
Plain fact the Arabs did far better out of 181 than the Jews and theY still ataacked.
Live with the fact THEY alone messed up.
The Jews played by 181 the Arabs did not.
So flim flam away it matters not a jot as the plain and simple fact is 181 was passed and it was accepted by the WORLD....
Class5: You are missing his point somewhat. The 'right or wrong' is irrelevant. This point has been argued on this site ad nauseum for years without any agreement or viable solution posited. Moreover, regarding this issue, the opinions of people on a dating site forum are rather meaningless when one considers the magnitude of the situation.
Fact: If anti-semitism didn't exist, the Jewish people wouldn't feel the need for a homeland. But, it does exist and this people has suffered more than any group in History. It's not the figures that matter, but that the Jewish people were the subject of industrialised extermination procedures. A precedent in human atrocity that has set an example for all future barbarians.
Fact: If anti-semitism didn't exist, the Jewish people wouldn't feel the need for a homeland. But, it does exist and this people has suffered more than any group in History. It's not the figures that matter, but that the Jewish people were the subject of industrialised extermination procedures. A precedent in human atrocity that has set an example for all future barbarians.
Hence the need for 181
And regardless of ALL FLIM FLAM
THE WORLD VOTED
And it passed by a huge majority.
ACCEPT THE FACT FOLKS
Albertaghost: Wow. You actually buy into that crap. Not even Jewish people do for the most part.
On the other hand, Muslims sure believe that the entire Middle East is theirs.
On the other hand, Muslims sure believe that the entire Middle East is theirs.
Historical nomads that suddenly claim a massive land title to them! Please someone find me a Muslim that had a deed to piece of Middle eastern property prior to 605AD.
But guess what?
There are both deeds of land owner ship to Christians and Jews in the region prior to 605AD. Those taxes that they were paying to the Romans at the time were on titles land.......
ttom500: Historical nomads that suddenly claim a massive land title to them! Please someone find me a Muslim that had a deed to piece of Middle eastern property prior to 605AD.
But guess what?
There are both deeds of land owner ship to Christians and Jews in the region prior to 605AD. Those taxes that they were paying to the Romans at the time were on titles land.......
But guess what?
There are both deeds of land owner ship to Christians and Jews in the region prior to 605AD. Those taxes that they were paying to the Romans at the time were on titles land.......
Same answer the world drew a line and passed 181
The states were given land and that is a fact...Anything prior to 181 is moot.
nd the Arab denial and non acceptance has and always will be the sticking point.
The world was sick of war and the UN passed 181 and THE WORLD voted....FACT.
All the historical points are totally void as the line was drawn new and land shared new with the introduction of 181.
Fact live with it.
how many wifes are muslims aload and why
patmac: Same answer the world drew a line and passed 181
The states were given land and that is a fact...Anything prior to 181 is moot.
nd the Arab denial and non acceptance has and always will be the sticking point.
The world was sick of war and the UN passed 181 and THE WORLD voted....FACT.
All the historical points are totally void as the line was drawn new and land shared new with the introduction of 181.
Fact live with it.
The states were given land and that is a fact...Anything prior to 181 is moot.
nd the Arab denial and non acceptance has and always will be the sticking point.
The world was sick of war and the UN passed 181 and THE WORLD voted....FACT.
All the historical points are totally void as the line was drawn new and land shared new with the introduction of 181.
Fact live with it.
The reason they passed 181 unamiously back then. Everyone in the world recognized that the Jews and Christians were in the Israel or the Holy Land first. The propaganda machine of the radical Islam has worked over time in the last 20 years, to convince a generation of naive westerns that they were not.
pedro27: how many wifes are muslims aload and why
bin Laden first wife said in her book...'Living with bin Laden'....that number was 5. This because Mohammad the prophet had 5.
On a sub note. Pakistan just gave bin Laden's 2 wives and 2 daughters a 45 day sentences for illegal entry into the country plus time served since his death.
ttom500: The reason they passed 181 unamiously back then. Everyone in the world recognized that the Jews and Christians were in the Israel or the Holy Land first. The propaganda machine of the radical Islam has worked over time in the last 20 years, to convince a generation of naive westerns that they were not.
181 was not passed unanimously.
Initially it was not expected to pass at all.
The US and USSR both used a lot of pressure to get other countries to
change their votes to either support the bill or abstain.
UN General Assembly 181 Resolution: Voting Record
In favour: 33
Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.
Against: 13
Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.
Abstained: 10
United Kingdom, Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, Yugoslavia.
The bill won because of superpower pressure. Not because the world thought it was a good thing.
It's a disgrace that what was supposed to be a democratic world body is used to rob people of their land and their rights.
RayfromUSA: 181 was not passed unanimously.
Initially it was not expected to pass at all.
The US and USSR both used a lot of pressure to get other countries to
change their votes to either support the bill or abstain.
UN General Assembly 181 Resolution: Voting Record
In favour: 33
Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.
Against: 13
Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.
Abstained: 10
United Kingdom, Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, Yugoslavia.
The bill won because of superpower pressure. Not because the world thought it was a good thing.
It's a disgrace that what was supposed to be a democratic world body is used to rob people of their land and their rights.
It passed!Initially it was not expected to pass at all.
The US and USSR both used a lot of pressure to get other countries to
change their votes to either support the bill or abstain.
UN General Assembly 181 Resolution: Voting Record
In favour: 33
Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.
Against: 13
Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.
Abstained: 10
United Kingdom, Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, Yugoslavia.
The bill won because of superpower pressure. Not because the world thought it was a good thing.
It's a disgrace that what was supposed to be a democratic world body is used to rob people of their land and their rights.
So cry!
maxmate1: Another funny thing I must mention of some member's trick-play here.
Though it's a bit off topic, but I couldn't resist, noticing some usual mocking, by some individuals, of valid Youtube evidences posted here.
Though it's a bit off topic, but I couldn't resist, noticing some usual mocking, by some individuals, of valid Youtube evidences posted here.
In the past, liars could just spout their lies and expect people to believe them. Now, with video camera telephones, and youtube, and internet, and data bases full of information, the evidence to expose many such lies is easily available.
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
RayfromUSA: In the past, liars could just spout their lies and expect people to believe them. Now, with video camera telephones, and youtube, and internet, and data bases full of information, the evidence to expose many such lies is easily available.
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
YouTube!So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
Conrad73: It passed!
So cry!
So cry!
Maybe Ray can run along and point out to them the error of their ways? I'm sure they'll listen.
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And even if they were pure-blooded direct descendents of Abraham.
(which is not the case for either point)
It still wouldn't give them any right whatsoever to seize the land of others or engage in ethnic cleansing.
You do admit that they were lying their asses off when they claimed that Palestine was empty don't you?
As a wise man once told them to their faces they are not children of Abraham, even if they were his physical descendents. Because the true children of Abraham are those with the faith and spirit of Abraham. He told the pharisees (talmudists) that they were of their father the devil. He was a liar from the beginning and the father of lies.
That's not an accusation against the "Jews". On the contrary there are Pharisees in every culture nowadays.
Getting clearer by the Day what Camp you're from!
End-Time-Teachings are a bad place to be!