Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
Conrad73: First Lie,there was NO Nation of Palestine!
Sure there was.
It was, at the time, a British Mandate.
And under the laws of the Mandate, the British were only there to help Palestine prepare for independence.
There certainly wasn't any Nation of Israel at that time though.
Conrad73: you really need to get Up-To-Date,Ray!Besides,what were you going to do with the Million Jews being turned out all over the ME starting after the UN-Vote?
No Ray,you still have it Bassackwards!
Palestine,as promised by the British,Safe haven for million Jews, after not wanted and persecuted in mainly German speaking countries,like yours.No Ray,you still have it Bassackwards!
RayfromUSA:
There certainly wasn't any Nation of Israel at that time though.
Correct!!!! no nation of Israel at the time,only in books was written that existed more than 2000 years ago.The British mandate speaks for Palestine Land.There certainly wasn't any Nation of Israel at that time though.
chris27292729: Correct!!!! no nation of Israel at the time,only in books was written that existed more than 2000 years ago.The British mandate speaks for Palestine Land.
BULL!r3y5a6: The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
actually they had the same Chance under 181 as the Jews did,but they listened to the wrong people!We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
Conrad73: BULL!
PROOF????Conrad73: you really need to get Up-To-Date,Ray!Besides,what were you going to do with the Million Jews being turned out all over the ME starting after the UN-Vote?
No Ray,you still have it Bassackwards!
No Ray,you still have it Bassackwards!
I think you're not really as clueless as you pretend to be Conrad.
It's just that you don't like the truth so you try to substitute fables that fit your delusion.
The Palestinian people are the indigenous people of Palestine.
They include a lot of different ancient peoples of the area, the Phillistines, the Midianites, the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, etc etc etc.
The ancient united kingdom of Israel only lasted about 70 years.
After that the Jews (of Judah) were enemies of the Israelites (of Israel).
Israel was conquered and its people scattered throughout the Assyrian empire about 500 years before Christ. The Jews can hardly claim any historical right to the land of Israel. The Jews were enemies of Israel.
The only land that was ever "Jewish" was the tiny area called Judah or Judea. It's just the area right around Jerusalem.
And Judah (Judea) was no more an independent country than Palestine was under the British mandate. Judah was a vassal state to Egypt, then to Assyria, then to Babylon, then to Media, then to Persia, then to Greece, then to Rome. It was never a sovereign state after it fell to Babylon.
However it was always a part of the larger province called Phillistia and later Palestina.
It's like the descendants of one Indian tribe from Florida trying to claim the entire US as its birthright.
They only got away with it because of their worldwide influence, money, and control of the media.
But people are tired of being hoodwinked.
And the Palestinians are tired of being robbed.
RayfromUSA: I think you're not really as clueless as you pretend to be Conrad.
It's just that you don't like the truth so you try to substitute fables that fit your delusion.
The Palestinian people are the indigenous people of Palestine.
They include a lot of different ancient peoples of the area, the Phillistines, the Midianites, the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, etc etc etc.
The ancient united kingdom of Israel only lasted about 70 years.
After that the Jews (of Judah) were enemies of the Israelites (of Israel).
Israel was conquered and its people scattered throughout the Assyrian empire about 500 years before Christ. The Jews can hardly claim any historical right to the land of Israel. The Jews were enemies of Israel.
The only land that was ever "Jewish" was the tiny area called Judah or Judea. It's just the area right around Jerusalem.
And Judah (Judea) was no more an independent country than Palestine was under the British mandate. Judah was a vassal state to Egypt, then to Assyria, then to Babylon, then to Media, then to Persia, then to Greece, then to Rome. It was never a sovereign state after it fell to Babylon.
However it was always a part of the larger province called Phillistia and later Palestina.
It's like the descendants of one Indian tribe from Florida trying to claim the entire US as its birthright.
They only got away with it because of their worldwide influence, money, and control of the media.
But people are tired of being hoodwinked.
And the Palestinians are tired of being robbed.
but it seems that you are the Clueless one,Ray!It's just that you don't like the truth so you try to substitute fables that fit your delusion.
The Palestinian people are the indigenous people of Palestine.
They include a lot of different ancient peoples of the area, the Phillistines, the Midianites, the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, etc etc etc.
The ancient united kingdom of Israel only lasted about 70 years.
After that the Jews (of Judah) were enemies of the Israelites (of Israel).
Israel was conquered and its people scattered throughout the Assyrian empire about 500 years before Christ. The Jews can hardly claim any historical right to the land of Israel. The Jews were enemies of Israel.
The only land that was ever "Jewish" was the tiny area called Judah or Judea. It's just the area right around Jerusalem.
And Judah (Judea) was no more an independent country than Palestine was under the British mandate. Judah was a vassal state to Egypt, then to Assyria, then to Babylon, then to Media, then to Persia, then to Greece, then to Rome. It was never a sovereign state after it fell to Babylon.
However it was always a part of the larger province called Phillistia and later Palestina.
It's like the descendants of one Indian tribe from Florida trying to claim the entire US as its birthright.
They only got away with it because of their worldwide influence, money, and control of the media.
But people are tired of being hoodwinked.
And the Palestinians are tired of being robbed.
Conrad73: but it seems that you are the Clueless one,Ray!
moreover since 80% of the Mandate went to the Arabs,and then everyone else was given generously about 10% of the Original Mamdate!Besides,the Arabs,who are calling themselves Palestinians,ever since 1967,aren't by a long shot Descendants of the original Philistines!
What are you smoking,Ray?
chris27292729: PROOF????
Can't prove a negative. The onus is on you as you made the statement.
chris27292729: PROOF????
BULL!RayfromUSA:
The Palestinian people are the indigenous people of Palestine.
They include a lot of different ancient peoples of the area, the Phillistines, the Midianites, the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, etc etc etc.
The Palestinian people are the indigenous people of Palestine.
They include a lot of different ancient peoples of the area, the Phillistines, the Midianites, the Israelites, the Canaanites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, etc etc etc.
Yes, the Jews did live there and in fact had their own kingdom which is why they, like the Mu9slims were offered land.
RayfromUSA: The ancient united kingdom of Israel only lasted about 70 years.
After that the Jews (of Judah) were enemies of the Israelites (of Israel).
After that the Jews (of Judah) were enemies of the Israelites (of Israel).
And the Kingdom or Islamic Waif of Palestine has not existed at all.
RayfromUSA: Israel was conquered and its people scattered throughout the Assyrian empire about 500 years before Christ. The Jews can hardly claim any historical right to the land of Israel. The Jews were enemies of Israel.
Sort of like the Palestinians who left Israel when the Mufti told them to. According to you the Palestinians have no right to return then or, claim any land as the4y gave it up.
RayfromUSA: The only land that was ever "Jewish" was the tiny area called Judah or Judea. It's just the area right around Jerusalem.
Strange, they came from all over the area sort of like the Palestinians did and yet, you claim they have no right to any land when in fact, the Palestinians never had a kingdom or a nation.
RayfromUSA: And Judah (Judea) was no more an independent country than Palestine was under the British mandate. Judah was a vassal state to Egypt, then to Assyria, then to Babylon, then to Media, then to Persia, then to Greece, then to Rome. It was never a sovereign state after it fell to Babylon.
Kingdom of Judea existed as did the Kingdom of Israel as well as Judea. In fact, the Romans had quite the time conquering them.
I didn't know the Muslims had a kingdom prior to the Jews having one. Can you provide some proof of this as the timelines seem to be skewed.
RayfromUSA: However it was always a part of the larger province called Phillistia and later Palestina.
Do tell. No reference is made of this 'fact' in any historical accounts.
RayfromUSA: It's like the descendants of one Indian tribe from Florida trying to claim the entire US as its birthright.
Not really Ray. They only accepted what the majority of the world offered which is portion of their historical land in which the Kindom of Israel, Judea and the Kindom of Judah existed.
RayfromUSA: They only got away with it because of their worldwide influence, money, and control of the media.
A bit of paranoia to throw into the mix!
RayfromUSA: But people are tired of being hoodwinked.
And the Palestinians are tired of being robbed.
And the Palestinians are tired of being robbed.
And I'm tired of tactless arguments from conspiracy theorists.
Next!
Conrad73: moreover since 80% of the Mandate went to the Arabs,and then everyone else was given generously about 10% of the Original Mamdate!
Besides,the Arabs,who are calling themselves Palestinians,ever since 1967,aren't by a long shot Descendants of the original Philistines!
Besides,the Arabs,who are calling themselves Palestinians,ever since 1967,aren't by a long shot Descendants of the original Philistines!
It's only you and your tribe that pretends to be thoroughbred descendants of an ancient tribe.
Of course the modern-day Palestinians aren't pure blooded Philistines. But they do have some Phillistine blood. All people are mixed. Including and espesially the Jews, because of all their wandering.
Even their religious practice of basing their race only on the mother's side allows for all sorts of racial mixing. Yet they still try to claim land on the basis of their race. It's ridiculous. It's not scientific, it's not moral, it's not reasonable in any way shape or form. It's delusion. And those who accept it and promote it are delusional.
What part of reality do you not understand?
RayfromUSA: Fifty thousand to 5 million in 400 years, in Europe at the time of the plagues. That's some miracle all right.
Best explained by the fact that the converted Khazars were not considered to be racially Jewish in the 15th century but by the 19th century their ethnic history had been replaced by their religious myths.
Anyway. It doesn't matter what the racial history of the Jews of Europe might have been. There still is no justification whatsoever for stealing the land of others on the basis of imagined ancient bloodlines and divine promises.
The Palestinians were the indigenous people. The Zionists were foreign invaders. No reason to even worry about ancient history.
Palestine and Palestinians existed.
Israel did not exist. Israelis did not exist.
BullMalarky,Ray!Best explained by the fact that the converted Khazars were not considered to be racially Jewish in the 15th century but by the 19th century their ethnic history had been replaced by their religious myths.
Anyway. It doesn't matter what the racial history of the Jews of Europe might have been. There still is no justification whatsoever for stealing the land of others on the basis of imagined ancient bloodlines and divine promises.
The Palestinians were the indigenous people. The Zionists were foreign invaders. No reason to even worry about ancient history.
Palestine and Palestinians existed.
Israel did not exist. Israelis did not exist.
Are you an Expert's Expert now!
Keep on living in your Head!
Besides,Palestinians exist already since 1967,when Arafat invented them!
Made "Palestinians" out of Arabs by slight of hand!
Ray,you been Hoodwinked!
Those Conspiracy-Theories are taking their toll!
RayfromUSA: It's only you and your tribe that pretends to be thoroughbred descendants of an ancient tribe.
Of course the modern-day Palestinians aren't pure blooded Philistines. But they do have some Phillistine blood. All people are mixed. Including and espesially the Jews, because of all their wandering.
Even their religious practice of basing their race only on the mother's side allows for all sorts of racial mixing. Yet they still try to claim land on the basis of their race. It's ridiculous. It's not scientific, it's not moral, it's not reasonable in any way shape or form. It's delusion. And those who accept it and promote it are delusional.
What part of reality do you not understand?
Of course the modern-day Palestinians aren't pure blooded Philistines. But they do have some Phillistine blood. All people are mixed. Including and espesially the Jews, because of all their wandering.
Even their religious practice of basing their race only on the mother's side allows for all sorts of racial mixing. Yet they still try to claim land on the basis of their race. It's ridiculous. It's not scientific, it's not moral, it's not reasonable in any way shape or form. It's delusion. And those who accept it and promote it are delusional.
What part of reality do you not understand?
In response to: What part of reality do you not understand?
Only the one inside your Head!
Conrad73: Only the one inside your Head!
RayfromUSA: What part of reality do you not understand?
RayfromUSA: Fifty thousand to 5 million in 400 years, in Europe at the time of the plagues. That's some miracle all right.
Best explained by the fact that the converted Khazars were not considered to be racially Jewish in the 15th century but by the 19th century their ethnic history had been replaced by their religious myths.
Anyway. It doesn't matter what the racial history of the Jews of Europe might have been. There still is no justification whatsoever for stealing the land of others on the basis of imagined ancient bloodlines and divine promises.
The Palestinians were the indigenous people. The Zionists were foreign invaders. No reason to even worry about ancient history.
Palestine and Palestinians existed.
Israel did not exist. Israelis did not exist.
Revising History now,just to be right?Best explained by the fact that the converted Khazars were not considered to be racially Jewish in the 15th century but by the 19th century their ethnic history had been replaced by their religious myths.
Anyway. It doesn't matter what the racial history of the Jews of Europe might have been. There still is no justification whatsoever for stealing the land of others on the basis of imagined ancient bloodlines and divine promises.
The Palestinians were the indigenous people. The Zionists were foreign invaders. No reason to even worry about ancient history.
Palestine and Palestinians existed.
Israel did not exist. Israelis did not exist.
There is independent evidence apart from the Bible that Israel has existed for a long time!But you know that as well as I do!
It's sad when people resort to this kind of Shenanigans just to delegitimize Israel!Sad!
Palestine not only existed. The Zionists wanted to devour it.
This map is from the Zionists themselves in 1919 showing their plan to steal Palestine, and showing some of the major Palestinian towns.
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
So much for the ridiculous claim that the land was empty.
This map is from the Zionists themselves in 1919 showing their plan to steal Palestine, and showing some of the major Palestinian towns.
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
So much for the ridiculous claim that the land was empty.
RayfromUSA: Palestine not only existed. The Zionists wanted to devour it.
This map is from the Zionists themselves in 1919 showing their plan to steal Palestine, and showing some of the major Palestinian towns.
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
So much for the ridiculous claim that the land was empty.
This map is from the Zionists themselves in 1919 showing their plan to steal Palestine, and showing some of the major Palestinian towns.
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
So much for the ridiculous claim that the land was empty.
Ray,Ray,Ray!
Can you find something more ridiculous?
Try hard,please!
Haven't had all my daily laughs yet!
RayfromUSA:
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
Notice they also already intended to bite of parts of Syria and Lebanon as well.
And they wanted parts of Egypt and Jordan too.
Greedy deceivers.
Albertaghost: When do they take over Pluto Ray?
Pinky and The Brain ain't ready yet!
Albertaghost: When do they take over Pluto Ray?
What's the matter?
Choking on the truth so you have to say something ridiculous to try to save face?
It doesn't really work.
Most people aren't that dumb.
You shouldn't try to imply that I marvel at the Zionists' ability to accomplish their goals.
Quite the contrary, I marvel at how ridiculous their ambitions are and how they end up hurting themselves in their endless efforts to rule over others through treachery and deception.
Conrad73: Ray,you're full of it!
It's sad that any individual can even think of something like that!
Extremely Christian of you!
Conspiracy-Theories slowly but surely are frying your Brains,Ray!
It's sad that any individual can even think of something like that!
Extremely Christian of you!
Conspiracy-Theories slowly but surely are frying your Brains,Ray!
A worldwide cabal steals an entire nation and gets away with it for 60 years by convincing people that they had some sort of ancient right to the land they stole, even though it was never ever their land at any time in history.
That sounds like a real conspiracy to me. Conrad.
And those who support it are either conspirators themselves or lack any sort of reasoning capability.
Or both.
RayfromUSA: What's the matter?
Choking on the truth so you have to say something ridiculous to try to save face?
It doesn't really work.
Most people aren't that dumb.
You shouldn't try to imply that I marvel at the Zionists' ability to accomplish their goals.
Quite the contrary, I marvel at how ridiculous their ambitions are and how they end up hurting themselves in their endless efforts to rule over others through treachery and deception.
Choking on the truth so you have to say something ridiculous to try to save face?
It doesn't really work.
Most people aren't that dumb.
You shouldn't try to imply that I marvel at the Zionists' ability to accomplish their goals.
Quite the contrary, I marvel at how ridiculous their ambitions are and how they end up hurting themselves in their endless efforts to rule over others through treachery and deception.
Ray, they haven't taken over anything in all these centuries but rather have been hounded, belittled, discriminated against and persecuted and now, lied about.
Having a historical home of their own is somewhat impotent as it keeps scum from harming them and, that there was a nation of Israel and Judea prior while never one of Palestine is a fact you just can't get away from.
Conrad73: BULL!
July 24 1922,League of Nations gives Great Britain, temp. control to administer Palestine.The League of Nations recognise Palestine as the Land of the inhabitants Palestinians,nowhere is a mention that the British administerd Israeli or Jewish Land.-Bull????RayfromUSA: A worldwide cabal steals an entire nation and gets away with it for 60 years by convincing people that they had some sort of ancient right to the land they stole, even though it was never ever their land at any time in history.
That sounds like a real conspiracy to me. Conrad.
And those who support it are either conspirators themselves or lack any sort of reasoning capability.
Or both.
OMG,Ray!That sounds like a real conspiracy to me. Conrad.
And those who support it are either conspirators themselves or lack any sort of reasoning capability.
Or both.
Are you really that gullible?
chris27292729: July 24 1922,League of Nations gives Great Britain, temp. control to administer Palestine.The League of Nations recognise Palestine as the Land of the inhabitants Palestinians,nowhere is a mention that the British administerd Israeli or Jewish Land.-Bull????
More Bull from Chris!RayfromUSA: What's the matter?
Choking on the truth so you have to say something ridiculous to try to save face?
It doesn't really work.
Most people aren't that dumb.
You shouldn't try to imply that I marvel at the Zionists' ability to accomplish their goals.
Quite the contrary, I marvel at how ridiculous their ambitions are and how they end up hurting themselves in their endless efforts to rule over others through treachery and deception.
nope,just temporarily choking on your Garbage!Choking on the truth so you have to say something ridiculous to try to save face?
It doesn't really work.
Most people aren't that dumb.
You shouldn't try to imply that I marvel at the Zionists' ability to accomplish their goals.
Quite the contrary, I marvel at how ridiculous their ambitions are and how they end up hurting themselves in their endless efforts to rule over others through treachery and deception.
chris27292729: July 24 1922,League of Nations gives Great Britain, temp. control to administer Palestine.The League of Nations recognise Palestine as the Land of the inhabitants Palestinians,nowhere is a mention that the British administerd Israeli or Jewish Land.-Bull????
Go read all the relevant Papers!They are all on Archive somewhere.Go look them up!
Will keep you out of Mischief and you might even learn something!
Might even teach you not to twist things!
But that would be a Miracle!
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That they have not and, the fact that the Palestinian population grows faster than most industrial nations including Israel speaks volumes as to the mistaken presumption y0ou put forth.
The above, added to the fact that the Palestinians as a people never had a land makes the contention that they "will get their land back" rather silly as they have never had a land but rather have been occupied by various empires since ancient times. Only the (Israelis had a nation and yet, many seem to forget that point even though they were willing to share it but the Palestinians were, and still are not.
The real problem with Israel is that they can not multiply. Only through blood. No one can convert to a Jew (hope people know that)
With all the weapons Israel could have "ended" the conflict. Yes. And given Israel's rougue behaviour and intentions, They could have. But why not? They know very well why not, they are too few in numbers to go so overboard in the illegal occupation.