Should Israel to allow Palestine be an independent state? (802)
Class5: Maybe Ray can run along and point out to them the error of their ways? I'm sure they'll listen.
Show them the errors of his ways!
RayfromUSA:
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
Are you sane?
Class5: Are you sane?
In comparison to you?
Of course.
patmac: More flim flam.
The UN was given the right and the world voted by a huge majority NOT AS YOU TRY TO SAY, 75% were for and for one of the few times ever NO VETO .....
The Land was carved up and the Arabs got 80%.
Not happy THEY and remember only THEY declared war and lost....
Plain fact the Arabs did far better out of 181 than the Jews and theY still ataacked.
Live with the fact THEY alone messed up.
The Jews played by 181 the Arabs did not.
So flim flam away it matters not a jot as the plain and simple fact is 181 was passed and it was accepted by the WORLD....
The UN was given the right and the world voted by a huge majority NOT AS YOU TRY TO SAY, 75% were for and for one of the few times ever NO VETO .....
The Land was carved up and the Arabs got 80%.
Not happy THEY and remember only THEY declared war and lost....
Plain fact the Arabs did far better out of 181 than the Jews and theY still ataacked.
Live with the fact THEY alone messed up.
The Jews played by 181 the Arabs did not.
So flim flam away it matters not a jot as the plain and simple fact is 181 was passed and it was accepted by the WORLD....
We all know about resolution 181. But people are allowed debate the right and wrongs of that resolution in their opinion. People may think that the UN had no right to carve up the land. People might argue that if a democratic solution was used then the majority in that area should have decided on what happened to the land. People might argue that making a state from religious scripture is wrong. People could argue about mnay things.
By your thinking if the UN passed a resolution tomorrow declaring Scotland was now England and the majority passed it then this would be OK. Anyone debating on the rights and wrongs would be just flim flam.
Conrad73: YouTube!
Yes, youtube
Kinda like the old saying:
All men were created by God.
but Smith & Wesson made them equal.
Youtube serves a similar function in that it enables people to present evidence, information, logic, etc. that would otherwise be buried by the corrupt controlled media.
Long live Youtube.
sofarsogood74: We all know about resolution 181. But people are allowed debate the right and wrongs of that resolution in their opinion. People may think that the UN had no right to carve up the land. People might argue that if a democratic solution was used then the majority in that area should have decided on what happened to the land. People might argue that making a state from religious scripture is wrong. People could argue about mnay things.
By your thinking if the UN passed a resolution tomorrow declaring Scotland was now England and the majority passed it then this would be OK. Anyone debating on the rights and wrongs would be just flim flam.
By your thinking if the UN passed a resolution tomorrow declaring Scotland was now England and the majority passed it then this would be OK. Anyone debating on the rights and wrongs would be just flim flam.
Waffle and Flim Flam all you like 181 was passed and the rest do not matter.
iF'S AND BUTS CANNOT BEAT A FACT.
LIVE WITH THE FACT....
RayfromUSA: In comparison to you?
Of course.
And has the audacity to complained for being insulted.Pot the kettle black.Of course.
patmac: Waffle and Flim Flam all you like 181 was passed and the rest do not matter.
iF'S AND BUTS CANNOT BEAT A FACT.
LIVE WITH THE FACT....
iF'S AND BUTS CANNOT BEAT A FACT.
LIVE WITH THE FACT....
I know its fact. I am not debating the fact....I am debating the reasoning behind the decision and if the decision was correct. Many wrongs were facts, until they were righted and they became facts.
sofarsogood74: I know its fact. I am not debating the fact....I am debating the reasoning behind the decision and if the decision was correct. Many wrongs were facts, until they were righted and they became facts.
They petition the British Government for a homeland,the British accepted their petition,and when the time was right,having the mandate,they carved the land and was approved by the UN. Right or wrong decision,is up to Historians.sofarsogood74: I know its fact. I am not debating the fact....I am debating the reasoning behind the decision and if the decision was correct. Many wrongs were facts, until they were righted and they became facts.
So why should I talk to someone who ignores facts.
181 Happened get over it, debate What? the world voted and that is FACT.....
patmac: So why should I talk to someone who ignores facts.181 Happened get over it, debate What? the world voted and that is FACT.....
borders are drawn by nations ith powerful armies, not by wat people desire
RayfromUSA: In the past, liars could just spout their lies and expect people to believe them. Now, with video camera telephones, and youtube, and internet, and data bases full of information, the evidence to expose many such lies is easily available.
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
So the liars try to claim that the evidence is somehow less valid than their dishonest claims.
briliant
r3y5a6: The author believes good relations between Palestine and Israel must be established. This will ease the hate of Muslim nations to Jewish people.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
We people of various faith be it Muslim, Jews, Christians, Spiritual and other forms of faith must work hand in hand to convince or obligate Israel a partition of land to create an independent Palestine state to avoid future clashes of human race. SPREAD LOVE NOT HATRED AND STOP KILLINGS AND WARS.
Should Israel allow it? Since when is Israel the be-all, end-all country in the middle east with the power to decide the fait of an entire people?
cloud747: briliant
Malarky!Impossible to cross-reference a Vid made in some Basement by Mister Anon!
Scubadiva: Should Israel allow it? Since when is Israel the be-all, end-all country in the middle east with the power to decide the fait of an entire people?
Well said.! Totally agree.!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
spainlover: Well said.! Totally agree.!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
you forgot the Million the Arabs turned out!They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
spainlover: Well said.! Totally agree.!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
Conrad73: and what makes you believe what you see on YouTube,and take for the Truth isn't a bunch of SnakeOil?
Aren't you just as gullible as the ones you accuse of being gullible?
Aren't you just as gullible as the ones you accuse of being gullible?
We can all be gullible at times. And that's normal.
There's no condemnation in having been fooled.
Hopefully we learn to be more discerning with time and experience.
But there's a lot of condemnation for those who are shown the truth but still cling to the lie, because it feeds their ego, or their pocketbook.
That's no longer gullibility, it's willing delusion.
And the willingly deluded person is no longer a victim.
He's joined the ranks of the deceivers.
And he shares their guilt.
And in the case of the Zionist invasion and ethnic cleansing in Palestine that's a lot of bloodguilt.
spainlover: Well said.! Totally agree.!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
They always expect everything to go their way. [ Its only with the backing of America that allowed them to take over.!!]
If they had left it to just the quarter of a million or so refugees after the second world war then maybe the Arabs could have made peace with them. But no...millions have flooded in since the end of WW2.
FACT.!!
NO EXCUSES!!
And do not go bleating on about that Damned UN 181...it was NOT morally right ESPECIALLY considering it was not COMPLETELY unanimous.!!
FACT.!
RayfromUSA: We can all be gullible at times. And that's normal.
There's no condemnation in having been fooled.
Hopefully we learn to be more discerning with time and experience.
But there's a lot of condemnation for those who are shown the truth but still cling to the lie, because it feeds their ego, or their pocketbook.
That's no longer gullibility, it's willing delusion.
And the willingly deluded person is no longer a victim.
He's joined the ranks of the deceivers.
And he shares their guilt.
And in the case of the Zionist invasion and ethnic cleansing in Palestine that's a lot of bloodguilt.
hope you remember your words,Ray!There's no condemnation in having been fooled.
Hopefully we learn to be more discerning with time and experience.
But there's a lot of condemnation for those who are shown the truth but still cling to the lie, because it feeds their ego, or their pocketbook.
That's no longer gullibility, it's willing delusion.
And the willingly deluded person is no longer a victim.
He's joined the ranks of the deceivers.
And he shares their guilt.
And in the case of the Zionist invasion and ethnic cleansing in Palestine that's a lot of bloodguilt.
spainlover: And do not go bleating on about that Damned UN 181...it was NOT morally right ESPECIALLY considering it was not COMPLETELY unanimous.!!
FACT.!
well,maybe if there had been such a thing as a Palestinian Nation!FACT.!
But there wasn't!
So whatcha gonna do?
spainlover: And do not go bleating on about that Damned UN 181...it was NOT morally right ESPECIALLY considering it was not COMPLETELY unanimous.!!
FACT.!
actually,the Vote was sufficient to carry the Motion!FACT.!
RayfromUSA: We can all be gullible at times. And that's normal.
There's no condemnation in having been fooled.
Hopefully we learn to be more discerning with time and experience.
But there's a lot of condemnation for those who are shown the truth but still cling to the lie, because it feeds their ego, or their pocketbook.
That's no longer gullibility, it's willing delusion.
And the willingly deluded person is no longer a victim.
He's joined the ranks of the deceivers.
And he shares their guilt.
And in the case of the Zionist invasion and ethnic cleansing in Palestine that's a lot of bloodguilt.
still really changes a thing about your YouTube Snake-Oil!There's no condemnation in having been fooled.
Hopefully we learn to be more discerning with time and experience.
But there's a lot of condemnation for those who are shown the truth but still cling to the lie, because it feeds their ego, or their pocketbook.
That's no longer gullibility, it's willing delusion.
And the willingly deluded person is no longer a victim.
He's joined the ranks of the deceivers.
And he shares their guilt.
And in the case of the Zionist invasion and ethnic cleansing in Palestine that's a lot of bloodguilt.
1. Israel became a state in 1312 b.c., two millennia before Islam;
2. arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "palestinians" in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood;
3. After conquering the land in 1272 b.c., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years;
4. The only arab rule following conquest in 633 b.c. lasted just 22 years;
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any arab or muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (east) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no arab leader came to visit it;
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the qur'an;
7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it;
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem;
9. In 1948, arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier;
2. arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "palestinians" in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood;
3. After conquering the land in 1272 b.c., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years;
4. The only arab rule following conquest in 633 b.c. lasted just 22 years;
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any arab or muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (east) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no arab leader came to visit it;
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the qur'an;
7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it;
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem;
9. In 1948, arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier;
10. virtually the entire Jewish population of muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms;
11. some 630,000 arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the muslim countries;
12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, arab refugess were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than new jersey;
13. there are 22 muslim countries, not counting palestine. there is only one jewish state. arabs started all five wars against israel, and lost every one of them;
14. fatah and hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of gaza to the palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms;
15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths;
16. Out of 175 united nations security council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against israel;
17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount Ofolives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
11. some 630,000 arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the muslim countries;
12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, arab refugess were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than new jersey;
13. there are 22 muslim countries, not counting palestine. there is only one jewish state. arabs started all five wars against israel, and lost every one of them;
14. fatah and hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of gaza to the palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms;
15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths;
16. Out of 175 united nations security council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against israel;
17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount Ofolives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
Conrad73: The Jews after WWII were DPs.No place to go!Restricted by Countries in their movement!
Please read some History,then get back to us!
Yep,the Russian and Eastern-European Jews were definitely free to move wherever they wished to go!
Got more ridiculous stuff you'd like us to know?
181 never said anything about the amount of People who could emigrate to Israel,it simply set up the Mechanism to found the Jew and Arab-States!
Wasn't the Jews who went to War with the Arabs!
In 1947 UN Resolution 181 passed providing both the Palestinian Jewish people and the Palestinian Arabs their own countrys side by side. The Jews formed Israel and began the foundation of a state. The Palestinian Arabs did not accept statehood and instead allied themselves with 6 other Arab countrys including Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and others in order to destroy the newly formed state of Israel and push it's people into the sea. Because of this the Palestinian Arabs gave up any rights to land, thus do not own land and have no right to defend anything that is not theirs to begin with. Noone can have their cake and eat it too. The Trans-Jordan Palestinian people have now spent the last 65+ years being expelled from Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countrys. They have attempted the assasination of King Abdullah and are now a people with no nation, no real goverment and certainly no right to property. And they are far different from Americans as we do compromise, we do give in order to make things work and they simply have had 65 years to show at least some ability to be a responsible people but so far they have not. Israel has worked hard with it's neighbors to continue their place in this world but until the Trans-Jordan Palestinians have done the same they by all right do not deserve nor have they earned the right to defend a state they have failed to build from the ground up.
Please read some History,then get back to us!
Yep,the Russian and Eastern-European Jews were definitely free to move wherever they wished to go!
Got more ridiculous stuff you'd like us to know?
181 never said anything about the amount of People who could emigrate to Israel,it simply set up the Mechanism to found the Jew and Arab-States!
Wasn't the Jews who went to War with the Arabs!
In 1947 UN Resolution 181 passed providing both the Palestinian Jewish people and the Palestinian Arabs their own countrys side by side. The Jews formed Israel and began the foundation of a state. The Palestinian Arabs did not accept statehood and instead allied themselves with 6 other Arab countrys including Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and others in order to destroy the newly formed state of Israel and push it's people into the sea. Because of this the Palestinian Arabs gave up any rights to land, thus do not own land and have no right to defend anything that is not theirs to begin with. Noone can have their cake and eat it too. The Trans-Jordan Palestinian people have now spent the last 65+ years being expelled from Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countrys. They have attempted the assasination of King Abdullah and are now a people with no nation, no real goverment and certainly no right to property. And they are far different from Americans as we do compromise, we do give in order to make things work and they simply have had 65 years to show at least some ability to be a responsible people but so far they have not. Israel has worked hard with it's neighbors to continue their place in this world but until the Trans-Jordan Palestinians have done the same they by all right do not deserve nor have they earned the right to defend a state they have failed to build from the ground up.
If they CHOSE not to build a state from the ground up that was THEIR choice.!! After all..THEY lived there.!!
spainlover: Just because the Native Indians gave in and knuckled under the white Europeans that took over America it does not mean the Arabs should.!!
181 says it all......
Live with the FACT.
patmac: 181 says it all......Live with the FACT.
181...181...181...
That's all you can keep on about.!!
Some outdated UN arrangement made nearly 70 years ago...when the world was in emotional turmoil.!
And there was never forseen or for the intention for MILLIONS of Jews to take over by shere numbers. It was mainly intended for the displaced Jews following WW2.
FACT.!
spainlover: 181...181...181...
That's all you can keep on about.!!
Some outdated UN arrangement made nearly 70 years ago...when the world was in emotional turmoil.!
And there was never forseen or for the intention for MILLIONS of Jews to take over by shere numbers. It was mainly intended for the displaced Jews following WW2.
FACT.!
That's all you can keep on about.!!
Some outdated UN arrangement made nearly 70 years ago...when the world was in emotional turmoil.!
And there was never forseen or for the intention for MILLIONS of Jews to take over by shere numbers. It was mainly intended for the displaced Jews following WW2.
FACT.!
Any sovereign nationa can and will allow who it want to sttle in it's lands. International LAW.....
Israel is and has been a sovereign nation since 1948.
And guess what gave ISRAEL it's sovereignty.
UN 181
Live with it ....
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