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US Mercenaries Killed in Ukraine


Reports about Americans killed in the Ukrainian conflict zone started surfacing in media mere weeks after the conflict’s escalation.
A CNN article from April 2022 reveals the details of one Willy Joseph Cancel, a 22-year old corrections officer from Tennessee and former US Marine who signed up with a “private military contracting company” not long before February 2022.

In March 2022, Cancel entered Ukraine from Poland to fight against Russian forces as part of a group comprised of men from “all different countries,” only to be killed about a month later. His mother, Rebecca Cabrera, complained that her son’s teammates were unable to recover his body.
On May 15, a 52-year old US Army veteran Stephen Zabielsky got killed in Zaporozhye Region after stepping on a land mine, if a Rolling Stone article from June 2022 is to be believed.

Zabielsky was reportedly operating in the Ukrainian conflict zone as part of a 13-man multinational squad called Wolverines – likely a reference to the 1984 movie “Red Dawn” where a bunch of plucky American teenagers band together to fight a fictional Soviet invasion of the US.

Cancel and Zabielsky thus became referred to by media outlets as the first and the second American citizens (respectively) killed in the Ukrainian conflict.
A 50-year old US Marine veteran Grady Kurpasi was operating in Ukraine as part of a foreign militant group in April 2022 when he and another British fighter went on a scouting mission near the observation post their unit was manning – that was the last time he was seen alive by his fellow mercenaries.

Kurpasi’s skeletal remains were discovered and identified only a year later and were shipped to the US for burial in May 2023.

A friend of Kurpasi who assisted with the effort to recover the ex-Marine’s remains told the newspaper that the US State Department was “absolutely awful” in that situation, and that “it was probably beneficial” that the said government agency was not involved with the retrieval of what was left of Kurpasi.
Yet another report on CBS News reveals the fate of two US citizens named Luke Lucyszyn and Bryan Young who got killed after running afoul of a Russian tank on July 18, 2022.

The duo’s commanding officer reportedly said that Lucyszyn, who was supposedly volunteering as a medic for the Ukrainian forces, first got injured by shelling and when Young and others rushed to help him, both of them got killed by Russian tank fire. Two other foreign militants – a Swede and a Canadian – were also killed in that attack.
In August 2022, a 24-year old US Army veteran Joshua Alan Jones was killed in Ukraine while fighting as part of a militant unit called the Norman Brigade that is apparently comprised of foreign militants fighting for the Kiev regime.

Russian media said at that time that Jones was killed in action near the village of Yegorovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic, with local authorities saying that they are willing to help return the militant’s body to his country of origin.

In October 2022, the death of one Dane Partridge was reported by US media. A 34-year old native of Idaho and a former US Army soldier, Partridge was serving as part of a unit for the Kiev regime that included at least several other foreign militants, according to an American propaganda broadcaster.

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Partridge’s unit was operating near the city of Severodonetsk in the Lugansk People’s Republic when he sustained a shrapnel injury in the head courtesy of the Russian armed forces. While his comrades tried to bring him to safety, Partridge ended up succumbing to his wounds.
Also in October 2022, two natives of the US state of Washington – Steve Munroe and Skyler Gregg – were killed in the Ukrainian conflict zone.
According to the Seattle Times, Munroe, who worked in private security, perished when his unit clashed with a Russian squad that was holed up in a building.

While Munroe’s comrades claimed that he was killed when a grenade explosion sent a piece of shrapnel straight into his brain, Munroe’s fiancé who saw his body in a morgue reportedly said that he apparently sustained gunshot wounds, and even wondered if the militant was killed by friendly fire, seeing how his comrades were reluctant to provide a “straight answer.”

Gregg, who apparently had no prior military experience, lost his life during shelling in the Lugansk People’s Republic countryside, having suffered a shrapnel injury to the head.
A 21-year old US Army veteran Trent Davis lost his life on November 8, 2022 near the city of Kherson, his first mission as part of Ukraine’s so-called “foreign legion” becoming his last.
While Davis was evacuated to a field hospital after being wounded during a battle, his injuries simply proved too severe, Army Times reported. The media outlet, however, did not elaborate on the nature of Davis’ injuries.
Also in November, news of the death of one Timothy Griffin surfaced in media.
According to a report by the Guardian, Griffin was killed in action while fighting alongside the Ukrainian forces in the Kharkov Region.
In January 2023, a former US Navy SEAL Daniel W. Swift was reported dead in Ukraine where he was apparently fighting on Kiev’s side.

The US Navy was quick to declare that they “cannot speculate” why Swift was in Ukraine, claiming that he deserted his post in San Diego, California back in 2019.

One US official told an American propaganda broadcaster on condition of anonymity that Swift died of the wounds he had sustained in Dnepropetrovsk.
On February 2, a US Marine Corps veteran Pete Reed got killed in Artemovsk when a van he was standing next to was hit by what apparently was an anti-tank missile.

While US media claimed that Reed was a paramedic and that the targeted van was allegedly carrying humanitarian supplies, they were forced to admit that the vehicle in question was not marked as an ambulance. That said, the Ukrainian forces have long been using civilian vehicles to transport troops and equipment.

Given the chaotic nature of urban warfare, the kind of which was waged in Artemovsk at the time, it was not immediately clear whether the missile that caused Reed’s death was fired by Russian or by Ukrainian forces.
A 28-year old US Army veteran Andrew Peters died while fighting for the Kiev regime.

According to WaPo, Peters’ 53-year old father, a Gulf War vet, also initially considered travelling to Ukraine with his son but ultimately decided against it.
In April 2023, the US Department of State confirmed the death of a US national named Edward Walter Wilton who apparently perished when fighting near the city of Artemovsk (formerly known as Bakhmut).

According to The Daily Beast, the slain American was identified by “pro-Russian military bloggers,” with a relative of Wilton’s confirming his death in a phone conversation with the media outlet. The State Department at that time refused to divulge the mercenary’s name out of respect for the family’s privacy.”
Another US veteran, one Christopher Campbell, also lost his life near Artemovsk in April 2023.
His burial in Kiev in May apparently became the first instance of an American militant being interred in Ukrainian soil, if local media reports are to be believed.
A retired US Marine Corps Sergeant Cooper Andrews became yet another victim of the fighting near Artemovsk, losing his life on April 19.

His mother told media later that her son was killed by a mortar shell.
Mere days later, a US Army veteran and a former Green Beret Nicholas Maimermet his end near Artemovsk, apparently dying in a building collapse.

His death became known to public after Russian forces recovered his remains and documents, including Maimer’s driver’s license and Veteran Affairs card.
A 32-year old US Marine Corps veteran Ian Tortorici got killed on June 27 during a Russian missile strike that targeted a staff meeting of Ukrainian military commanders and foreign mercenaries in the city of Kramatorsk.
At least two Ukrainian generals and up to 50 Ukrainian officers of lower rank, along with up to 20 foreign mercenaries and advisers, got killed in that strike, the Russian Ministry of Defense said in a statement.
What Do Americans Who Survived Say



Many of those Americans who went to fight in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime and were fortunate enough to survive – at least for the time being – appeared unsettled by their experience.

One such unnamed US army veteran turned pro-Kiev militant complained to NBC News that the constant Russian artillery barrages he and his comrades had to endure in the city of Severodonetsk – where Ukrainian forces suffered a stinging defeat – were “the closest thing I’ve ever seen to hell.”

“We lost three guys,” the militant complained, as quoted in an article dated July 21, 2022. “My commander got killed out there. A buddy of mine got killed out there. When s— like that happens, it’s hard to imagine the way forward.”

A retired US Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Ripley Rawlings, who has not taken up arms in the conflict but helps prolong it by sending equipment to pro-Kiev foreign militants, also told the media outlet that “the number of people that are upset and have low morale has increased, and that’s partly because of the way the Russians have chosen to fight.”

Another militant, one David Bramlette who previously served as a US Army Ranger in Iraq and Afghanistan, would tell the Daily Beast about a year later that those two conflicts were nothing like what he and his fellow mercenaries had to face in Ukraine.

“The worst day in Afghanistan and Iraq is a great day in Ukraine,” he said. “Even when we thought it wasn’t, we were always in control of the situation.”

Bramlette also lamented that many of the foreigners who travelled to Ukraine to fight for the regime in Kiev were essentially “dumb-a** volunteers” who often lacked the necessary experience and skills.

A ex-US Marine Troy Offenbecker, who also joined the ranks of foreign mercenaries in Kiev’s employ, told the same outlet that, out of the three armed conflicts he participated in, the Ukrainian one is the worst “by far.”

“You’re getting f*cking smashed with artillery, tanks. Last week I had a plane drop a bomb next to us, like 300 meters away. It’s horrifying shit,” he said.
Dude no one cares and that is the problem All western nations suffer financially from this.\I post political articles in the forums and ZERO people have any interest because they are so disconnected from reality they find it simpler to ignore the problem.
teddybear
I should add there are rumors that when high ranking military die in a plane or helicopter crash they were actually killed in the Ukraine.

teddybear
Inclined to agree with you. Why should anyone care as long as we have good food and a safe warm place to put your head down.
What I'd like to add is that IF Ukraine doesn't pick up its pace and win their battle/war before December, Russia is totally going to dictate the terms. They wont have a foot to stand on.

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Never watched this guy don't know
Actually, technically none of them were mercenaries. The term was (at the insistence of the USSR) formally defined in a UN Vote decades ago. I am surprised that as a South African you do not seem to remember the huballoo surrounding Daniel Gearhart and the other actual mercenaries executed in Angola. The UN resolution included Mercenary does not include anyone who is actually an enrolled member of the armed forces of one of the warring nations. Those persons are to be treated as POWs if captured.

All of the men you named enlisted in the army of Ukraine upon arrival. <At least one declined any salary.> The Ukraine Foreign Legion including the Wolverines are enlisted members of the Army of Ukraine under the command of Ukraine's military and not legally mercenaries.

Speaking about morale, you quote someone who is not on the front lines there. Check with Operator Starsky (he has a YT channel and is pretty easy to reach) and he spends a fair amount of his time actually on the front (killing Russians when he can) and chatting with others doing likewise, as well as with higher ups elsewhere in Ukraine. Or you cauld ask Anna, except she doesn't knowingly communicate with pro-Russia people. After all it wasn't Putin who murdered women and children in Bucha, Ukraine, it was Russians. Similar in Mariupol, etc. Like most actually in Ukraine they despise Russians. Filth of the planet. Orcs they call them, but only when they are being polite. Watch their broad smiles every time another Russian dies or Russian facility explodes into rubble. Off hand I would say their morale is pretty good.

I see the Russian ruble dropped below a penny for a few moments yesterday. It recovered a little bit and per Google and Forbes it is back up to 99.6 rubles to the US dollar.

The subsidies the Russian government had been paying the Russian suppliers for domestic gasoline have ended and the price of filling up your car or truck inside Russia today is accordingly much more costly than it was last year. At the same time because half of Russia's 44 refinery complexes have shut down a shortage of domestic gasoline exists which is why Putin ordered an embargo on exports of domestic oil products (gas, diesel, lube oil, etc.). Some of Russia's gas wells have been shut down too. Russia suffers both from a lack of gas storage facilities and also a lack of liquification facilities to make LBG (they have only one). Unemployment has officially dropped below 2%, which is a sign of pending economic woes. There is no reserve labor pool to draw on. A healthy economy runs about 5% unemployment. It is not yet known if the Central Bank will raise interest rates this week. Of course already the number of Russian corporate and personal loans in default is at an all time high. The Ruussian 2024 budget was supposed to be released this past Sunday. It wasn't. LoL Lots of creative number juggling is delaying it.
Your post was amusing too an extent but in the end just plain boring.laugh
'Thisguy' is a decorated American officer that has see action on the front lines most of his adult life. He has connections and is qualified in warfare
. He is unlike the couch commanders that want to force total propaganda bullshit they find on main stream media down anyone's throat.
He is a good man and was an excellent soldier. cheers
You haven't watched Douglas Mac?
He an army dude (lol) who know a thing or two about battle.

+ he a friend of Trumpoo, our man.

I learned a lot from him.
I'm just not familiar. I don't follow Youtube or Podcasts.
I see him pop up a bit.
And have watched a few Gonzalo Lira until they disappeared him.
Beyond basically stating that Ukraine as a nation will not exist and it just kills it's own people for the MIC enrichment there is no where else to go.
Everyday there is a new story about corruption or the meat grinder.
Those people flying Ukrainian flags should put up either Peace symbols or Black flags of skulls.


teddybear
I suggested 100 containers of white flags already when Germany was gonna send helmets.
Most meaningless war ever seen.
Invite Putin in for coffy and a schnapps and find out what he is there for, don't shoot at him!
Well, I'm talking how I felt on feb.24th last year. Much water has passed since then.

If that line had been followed Ukraine would only have lost Donbass.

Gear Shift

As another Lame Cherry exclusive in matter anti matter.

A few days ago, former FBI employee Hal Turner was telling folks not to worry about the nationwide alert that is going to be on our phones, but now the warning is taking a new turn of a greater extermination of the people called Americans.



It is scheduled to take place on October 3 and will see Vladimir Putin’s regime present the West as a nuclear aggressor.

The one-day nuclear attack exercise, which has only ever been done region by region, will include preparation for the destruction of up to 70% of Russian housing stock and life support facilities.

It will assume, for the exercise, that martial law has been introduced in Russia and that is has gone through full mobilization.

It seems no small coincidence this is announced to take place just one day BEFORE the US Emergency Alert System (EAS) test, scheduled for October 4.

Thanks to a large publicity campaign, almost all Americans are now aware that this EAS Test will hit all cell phones, TV's, and Radios on October 4.

WHAT IF . . .

What if Russia holds its "exercise" and puts a whole slew of its people in shelters and then, waits for the US EAS Test to actually launch a first strike?

Americans, hearing the EAS system tones on October 4, might just think to themselves, "Oh, that's the national test, I don't have to do anything" but in reality, Russian missiles may actually be inbound!

Such a scenario would cause massive additional American casualties in a populace that was primed to ignore the EAS test that day.


Don't matter what shit hits or does not hit the fan, as it will hit it, sooner or later. Nothing changes in this. You get yourself exterminated by the District of Crime the way President Grant and the Indian Ring exterminated General Custer and the 7th and let the Indians get the blame, is the same with DC getting Russians blamed for the extermination of 550,000 Christians by the Kiev Nazi Zellinskyy, same for Frank Roosevelt getting Americans exterminated and blaming the Japs and Krauts. Exterminating American Protestants has been lucrative from the Civil War onward.


I'm wondering about God in what is coming. See in the Thrift these past months, due to an expression of vermin eating, shitting and pissing on my supplies and snacks, God has been catching them vermin for us, but God has been putting in my way a pile of coolers for storing things out of rodent's way.

From every day forward, you pay attention and stay yourself out of the rodent's way.
teddybear
No doubt the danger is the americanas doing something stupid first and Putin thinking it's real, or something.
Now- 1) there is behind the scenes comm designed to prevent misuderstandings exacty of that sort and me personally is certain that those handpicked ones for that job are the best your nation can bring about. They ain't crapping Putin, they tell the truth, so nobody is more informed of the crazy games going on in DC than the president fo Russia. Thankfully.
2) this russian is the best leader we could ever hope for over there.
I think we're pretty safe in his hands, to put it that way.

I actually trust Putins rationale for our collective nuclear safty now.
Oh, and China too.
It's amazing how those two turned the good guys, now.
Tell me that ten years ago and I would say you're out of your mind.
But then came Trump and as a strange side effect I learned what is what.

Then came this war and it took some time but thanks to folk like MacGregor and Mearsheimer
I got the insite I needed there as well. Imagine getting that info from msm... f me... (not happening)
and they have the audacity to talk about misinformation!
I never knew the lying was that organized.
But we can agree it went from bad to worse around 2016 yea?
I just found this while skimming a site
This mf Zelensky is planning total genocide. uh oh
What a load of gullible f*ckwits.
Riz, you think Putin had us all fooled ha'

Yea.. you see his propaganda reached us over here I'm afraid:
"Hello, I am Putin the bad guy from the east who don't give a f.
I invaded my neighbor country last spring for no other reason than
wanting all that golden lovely wheat flowering so nicely in the springtime.
Plus I just love the fair ladies of that country. So now it's all mine. I say MIINE!
Regards,
your bad wolf from Moscow, Vlad.
Ps follow me on instagram."
Yes truth is sometimes boring to those inventing BS.

Speaking of mercenaries, should Ukraine put those captured Cuban contractors carrying weapons before surrendering on trial as mercenaries? They were not enlisted in the Russian Army, but there as civilian 'general purpose' contractors hired by a Russian company to perform not specified (in the contract) duties in Russia. One or two of them are saying now they didn't realize at the time they signed up that meant fight inside Ukraine. But they did go along with the program and were carrying weapons when caught. It isn't my call of course, but I think Ukraine should try them as mercenaries and afford them the sentence the UN (at the behest of the USSR) approved for those found guilty of being a mercenary.
The US doesn't know what 'truth' means. Your statesmen are born liars, all they know is how to tell lies. This FACT is admitted by a few sane thinking Americans that are actually embarrassed by your current leadership. That goes for both Republicans and Democrats.
What America needs is a brand new leadership team, from a to z. Persons that are not influenced by past paranoid mainly fantasized stories of how EVERY country in the world is out to get them. Just listening to you and live debates online absolutely show how scared the average Joe on the street is. PUTIN IS NOT OUT TO INVADE EUROPE AND THE US.
Russia does NOT have hundreds of military bases scattered around the globe. Neither does China. North Korea is a different kettle of fish, and the cause of NK hating the west so passionately is due to the actions of the US and its puppets carried out on all the countries they invaded without any reason. Not even talking about the 'made up lies and fabrications' that are sold by main stream media 24/7 to anyone that will listen.
People are waking up, the world is waking up, and the saying that goes: You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all the people all the time, is now proving to be very very true.
Because the leadership has an agenda to keep the American public believing their lies and deceit so that they can do just about anything and yet the majority of Joe's will support them. You are a prime example of what I mean. I say this without malice, just with being able to stand outside the box observing and listening, and of course without feeling threatened.
The mere fact that when ANYONE that has served or is currently serving in any division of the military most everyone 'thanks' them for their service laugh. In actual fact thats all brainwashing from the government just to publicly authorize them to have carte blanche with 'any' decision made using military force.

Speaking of mercenaries, should Ukraine put those captured Cuban contractors carrying weapons before surrendering on trial as mercenaries? They were not enlisted in the Russian Army, but there as civilian 'general purpose' contractors hired by a Russian company to perform not specified (in the contract) duties in Russia. One or two of them are saying now they didn't realize at the time they signed up that meant fight inside Ukraine.
Lets get real here.
Ukraine is backed by just about every country in the EU and those gullible enough around the globe.
Russia will obviously try and find partners that can see through this facade being brought forward by Biden and NATO. So a few Cubans is zilch compared to basically the whole globe.
As a matter of interest, Ukraine was recruiting in every country they had a embassy in, with promises of huge rewards and even safaris. Only idiots and/or desperado s would go against the might of Russia.
The rest of your comment is again boring and amusing.
This is solely my opinion.
The only 'nitwit' I see around here is you. Start thinking for yourself or has life on the islands affected your train of thought? Of course using your 'head' instead of your brain is quite common for some.doh
All I can put this down to is fear. Fear created by the deep state on the general public. Like I said to Ken, America needs a total new approach to running a country.
Just imagine all the poverty they (USA) could've done for its own people and many many countries that cant even feed themselves with all that TRILLIONS of $ they put into proxy wars and creating fake governments.handshake
"the might of Russia"
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
The USSR of the early to mid 80s was mighty, no question. Modern day Russia however, literally NOT, And then it invaded Ukraine and became just another 3rd world nation. A large one to be sure, but nothing special to defeat. Rip out a few train tracks and it would grind to a stop. The problem was 30 years of corruption at every level rotted it out. From missing phone lines sold for the copper inside Strategic Command Centers, to ancient Soviet Nuclear warheads that passed their half life (based on both decay and oxidation) over a decade ago, to old Soviet artillery parked in the open with the barrels pointed to the clouds, now full of rain water and rust, to spare uniforms stored so long ago they crumble to dust when unfolded, to new recruits who not only can;t read and write, but don't know they should. 69 yr old battle tank that spew clouds of smoke everywhere they lurch, newer ones (72s) that are slower in reverse than a toddler can walk. Trucks with rotted towers, missiles that boomerang, Artillery shells stored in the rain and snow for 80+ years. Soldiers who would much rather run away than attack. Add to this a Supreme Leadership that views any competent field commander as a threat and kills them off whenever they can. What might?

So you really believe the West is scared of this technology?



go ahead, put a nuclear warhead on them. Save us some ammo.

Those in the US calling for the break up of the Russian Federation are guided by both the history of the USSR (begining with Stalin's then Secret pact with Hitler to invade Poland and begin WW2) and Russia's own more recent behavior starting with the fake Checna bombings and the invasion of that province, Georgia, Ukraine in 2014 and more recently Putin's pledge on Feb 23, 2022 that Russia would not invade Ukraine only 3 hours after he had signed an order to begin the invasion the next day. A government ruled by such two faced snakes can not be allowed if the world is to move forward.

Your claim that Russia has no ill intentions to the West is laughable because their own Federal TV says in broadcasts to the Russian people they do indeed intend to continue West once Ukraine falls. Those are Federal employees of Russia and everything they say is pre-approved by the Kremlin.



The hypocrisy of your attitude towards Westerners enlisting and fighting for Ukraine as part of their army vs. your whining that Cubans who did not enlist in Russia's army but went to fight in Ukraine for money anyway and which ones should be charged as mercenaries is clear to all.

Do Americans worry about a nuclear war with Russia? No, not really. Sure, the ones paid to do so do, but it is pretty obvious Russia has a few nasty surprises in store for Russia if it starts one. Would their be American deaths if it starts? Absolutely. Probably about as many die in car accidents annually, but in one day,. There is also a pretty good belief that the numbers of dead Russians inside Russia will be a lot larger. Time will tell. Russia daily marches forward to a self immolation.
Wow, Please calm down, you are doing yourself a serious harm here. Here's a bit of free advice:
STOP TAKING MSM SO SERIOUSLY.

If Russia was as weak as you paint them, wouldn't it make sense for the US just to go in and wipe them all out with only one big flash?

Instead the US and its puppets create proxy wars all over the globe, fuelling global wars, promoting suffering, death and destruction just so that the rich (you are excluded) can become richer.

Your logic borders on insanity. ( except to those that share your fears)

The whole picture you painted proves to any sane logical thinking human that the US is the actual cause of all the chaos on this planet.
They, the US, are the biggest problem being the war mongering nation you describe them to be.

I know how fear affects people, some cry and roll over, some will beg for peace and some will be defiant and act all big and bossy.
THE RUSSIANS ARE NOT OUT TO GET YOU, relax.
All that they want is to live in peace with everyone especially their closest neighbors without NATO building military bases on/in their doorway. Is this so hard to understand???
comfort beer comfort
Let's all hope you are right then. Only time and of course Putin will tell as he's made a lot of threats already.sigh
Hi G.
I agree that he has made these threats but logically thinking, if the whole world were treating you like absolute trash and you know that you're not trash, wouldn't you too be defiant and stand up for yourself?
I'm no Russian fan but the western msm is being coaxed by the governments to instill fear into the general public so as to justify all this killing and destruction in Ukraine.
This has all to do with enriching themselves and global domination.
I say live and let live.wine
Just been reading about the latest on the Prigozhin /Utkin plane crash. Explosives were on board according to a Putin statement but they were hand grenades and samples were found in the bodies

Are we to assume they blew themselves up or were those people not on the plane. What's your take on this.dunno
So the invasion was about self-esteem and butt hurt?

A talking therapy woud have been more appropriate and cheaper for those emotional issues. dunno

Except Russia did the exact opposite when it invaded Ukraine.
Good lord stop acting liking you know it all. Why not ask yourself just 1 question:
WHAT IS THE REASON WHY RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE?????

Even the meekness and mildest puppy will show aggression when cornered and threatened. Try thinking for yourself for a change.

doh
I too heard of Putins statement earlier today. Fact of the matter remains they were killed due shrapnel fragments of a hand granade explosion.
1) They were mercenaries.  Alway had ammo and explosives on hand. Somehow a pin hooked on something unknown to them and exploded.
(Unlikely but possible)

2) A drunk argument between the 2 leaders led to the detonation of the hand grenade.
(Nahhh I doubt it, but who knows)

3) Putin ordered a bag or suitcase to be rigged with either a timing device or pin extracted when opening the bag or suitcase.
(Who knows laugh)

The founder of orchestra did indeed commit treason when he advanced on Moscow.

Another guess is that Prigozhin and company is safe and sound and patsies on board the plane were blown up.

Treason cannot go unpunished and the local Russian population knows this and in their minds know its Putin, directly or indirectly.

If I had to put money on what really happened then I'd put it on #3. Not that it can ever be proved beyond a doubt that the order came from Putin. With this disclosure he made, he covered himself even more.
I agree with you, though.

The invasion was about unresolved and immature emotional issues: low self-esteem and the need to feel like a manly hero; the need to exspunge butthurt due to the loss of empire and people saying bad things about Russia; and greed, the need to accumulate stuff, achievements, or adoration to bolster self-esteem.

Confident, emotionally mature, intelligent, self-actualised people live and let live, or negotiate synergistic relationships. This is what we shoud expect and receive from those we elect as leaders.
Yea, that point for starters. And then less dead... around the world.
Iraqies, Libyans, Syrians now Ukrainians.
And it's always the innocent civilains who'll have to pay the price too, whether it's a son/daughter in uniform
or someones livelyhood demolished to shreds for no other reason than some selfish azz who'll enrich themselves or gain some power on behalf of their nation, cos that is what they do...
Reminds me of the "Police" song 'bombs away (bet we're ok)".
The John Batchelor Show, May 2, 2018

Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of russian studies and politics at NYU and Princeton, and John Batchelor continue their (usually) weekly discussion of the new US-Russian Cold War. (Previous installments, now in their fifth year, are at TheNation.com.)

Cohen begins: The orthodox American political-media narrative blames “Putin’s Russia” alone for the new US-Russian Cold War. Maintaining this (at most) partial truth involves various mainstream media malpractices, among them lack of historical context; reporting based on unverified “facts” and selective sources; editorial bias; and the excluding, even slurring, of proponents of alternative explanatory narratives as “Kremlin apologists” and carriers of “Russian propaganda.” An extraordinary example appeared on May 1, when Jim Sciutto, CNN’s leading purveyor of Russiagate allegations, tweeted that “Jill Stein is…repeating Russian talking points on its interference in the 2016 election and on U.S. foreign policy.” To the extent that Sciutto represents CNN, as he does almost nightly on air, it is useful to know what this influential network actually thinks about a legitimate third party in American electoral democracy and its presidential candidate. And also about many well-informed Americans who have not supported Stein or her party but who strongly disagree with CNN’s orthodox positions on Russiagate and US foreign policy. No less important, however, is the highly selective nature of the mainstream narrative of the new Cold War, what it chooses to feature and what it virtually omits. Among the omissions, few realities are more important than the role played by neofascist forces in US-backed, Kiev-governed Ukraine since 2014. Not even many Americans who follow international news know the following, for example:

§ That the snipers who killed scores of protestors and policemen on Kiev’s Maidan Square in February 2014, thereby triggering a “democratic revolution” that overthrew the elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, and brought to power a virulent anti-Russian, pro-American regime—it was neither democratic nor a revolution, but a violent coup unfolding in the streets with high-level support—were sent not by Yanukovych, as is still widely reported, but instead almost certainly by the neofascist organization Right Sector and its co-conspirators.
§ That the pogrom-like burning to death of ethnic Russians and others in Odessa shortly later in 2014 reawakened memories of Nazi extermination squads in Ukraine during World War II has been all but deleted from the American mainstream narrative even though it remains a painful and revelatory experience for many Ukrainians.

§ That the Azov Battalion of some 3,000 well-armed fighters, which has played a major combat role in the Ukrainian civil war and now is an official component of Kiev’s armed forces, is avowedly “partially” pro-Nazi, as evidenced by its regalia, slogans, and programmatic statements, and well-documented as such by several international monitoring organizations. Congressional legislation recently banned Azov from receiving any US military aid, but it is likely to obtain some of the new weapons recently sent to Kiev by the Trump Administration due to the country’s rampant network of corruption and black markets.
Are you trying to wind up Luke Jac?
You know he seen war yea?
He has the right to be against a war he see unfairly presented.
A conflict cheered on by the west.
Wanting it ended at the negotiation table instead of more dead young ones.
I hold the same view. Ofcourse that means one accept
to let some former Ukrainian land become either Russian,
or independent which is what Putin asked for at the end of 2021.
But this time it will be permanent.


I have a 2 questions for you (as I'll drop the Cuba 62 parallel):
1) If Nato/Ukraine win this fight what do you think should happen to the millions of Russian descendants
who is inside the pre 24th borders of last year? Ken wants them all deported. I assume, knowing you a little by now, that you are not that extreme. Basically do you feel certain these don't risk a Nagorno-Karabakh situation where most feel they have to get the f out to save their azzes.

2) Do you respect this guy- Jeffrey Sachs? (video below)
As short as you can keep it, not looking for a whole nighter hehe.
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Streamed yesterday.
22minutes

§ That stormtroop-like assaults on gays, Jews, elderly ethnic Russians, and other “impure” citizens are widespread throughout Kiev-ruled Ukraine, along with torchlight marches reminiscent of those that eventually inflamed Germany in the late 1920s and 1930s. And that the police and official legal authorities do virtually nothing to prevent these neofascist acts or to prosecute them. On the contrary, Kiev has officially encouraged them by systematically rehabilitating and even memorializing Ukrainian collaborators with Nazi German extermination pogroms and their leaders during World War II, renaming streets in their honor, building monuments to them, rewriting history to glorify them, and more.

§ Or that Israel’s official annual report on anti-Semitism around the world in 2017 concluded that such incidents had doubled in Ukraine and the number “surpassed the tally for all the incidents reported throughout the entire region combined.” By the region, the report meant the total in all of Eastern Europe and all former territories of the Soviet Union.


Americans cannot be faulted for not knowing these facts. They are very rarely reported and still less debated in the mainstream media, whether in newspapers or on television. To learn about them, Americans would have to turn to alternative media and to their independent writers, which rarely affect mainstream accounts of the new Cold War. One such important American writer is Lev Golinkin. He is best known for his book ‘A Backpack, A Bear, and Eight Crates of Vodka,’ a deeply moving and highly instructive memoir of his life as a young boy brought to America by his immigrant parents from Eastern Ukraine, now the scene of tragic civil and proxy war. But Golinkin has also been an unrelenting and meticulous reporter of neofascism in “our” Ukraine and a defender of others who try to chronicle and oppose its growing crimes. (Many of us seeking reliable information often turn to him.)

The significance of neo-Nazism in Ukraine and the at least tacit official U.S support or tolerance for it should be clearly understood:
I think we are wasting our time Grand. These supposedly intelligent people are supposed to be English speakers but they don't even understand their own language.
@Luke. Probably. But I'm an eternal optimist hehe.

Hope spring is rolling in nicely where you are.
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