The Same Old Argument

Should the toilet seat be up or down?dunno

This argument has torn families apart since the invention of the indoor toilet. Men mostly need it up while women always need it down. And since it takes approximately two seconds and zero effort to raise or lower the seat, it is clearly a matter of principle.tongue

To look for a solution we must assume that the toilet is being used by both males and females. If not, why the hell would you be having trouble with this?grin

Then we have to realize then both men and women need to sit to do a #2, but only women need to sit for #1. That means that if you leave the seat up permanently, both men and women are inconvenienced, but if it's always down, only men are. Now the ladies may argue that it is best to just leave the seat down and the guys can deal with it as required.doh

But I do not understand why all the complications about the toilet seat. Why can’t everybody not just lift or drop the seat as needed and leave it in that position for the next person who may well be of the same gender and/or need. It will save a lot of wear and tear on the hinges.idea

I cannot help but wonder how does it affects the ladies if the seat is left up; for only they seem to be unhappy about the position of the toilet seat. What problems does it create?dunno

But science gives us a much better reason to leave it up: The water in the toilet can evaporate more efficiently when the toilet seat is up. This cools the air thus helping to prevent global warming.rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Hi Johnny
See, you do it out of habit. No problem. And I am not going to fight with you about it if you do it in my house. In fact I won't even be annoyed for having to lift the seat. You have it your way and I have it my way. No need to differ about it for we are not hurting each other.
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You are right cat. Once I got the hang of leaving the toilet seat in the right position, it was something else. "I cannot believe you can't throw this away." I will be in the middle of my work at the desk with a wrapper sitting next to me for about 3 seconds. lol
SR
Yes, and I still don't understand why a husband and a wife should at ends about something stupid as this.

My mother was a nagger; she nagged about almost everything but never did the toilet seat gotten into the equation. Maybe she had enough other things to nag about.
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Help my blog's been hijacked.
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No worry Ed. You're always welcome.thumbs up
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Johnny
Just a small question re your previous comment; Is there a 'right position'?
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Come to think of it, I am not so sure there is a "right position." But, there is an "as left position."

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Johnny,
Well, if it is a rule in your house I will respect it. I don't have such a rule in my house.
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I am yet to be convinced about the right or the wrong position for it.
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Absolutely cat. I agree with you. I am a very liberal thinking man myself.

My response to your "right position" was an attempt at me making a joke. :)

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catfoot,

what can i say
dunno

i am not ready for an Argument .....confused

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Solution - everyone stands as it's got no seat laugh rolling on the floor laughing laugh

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Of course Johnny,
And I saw it as that. Joking is much more fun than fighting.
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Hi CMI
What is there to argue about. I do not know the 'right position'. All I know is the 'practical' position (where it was last used, the 'female' position (down) and the 'male' position (up).

Apparently Practical and Male translates to Selfish and Female means Considerate in this equation.
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don't worry, you are going to get the same blame for the question with either of the answers.laugh
but we have an automatic toilet seat- new and improved- that resolves all that equation . 50 k if you want. no qustions asked ...
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Hi Z
Another practical solution. Hell, the Japanese are clever and innovative people.laugh

But now when a member of parliament goes out of office does he leave his vacated seat up or down for the new member.confused dunno
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Boggie
Sorry, no deal. The price is good it it will leave too many people with too little to nag about. It may just lead to more speculation about other more sensitive issues.
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On a more serious note cat, there really is no "right" position. Out of consideration, a man may want to heed to a woman's wishes. Also, out of consideration, a woman may want to heed to a man's wishes. However, as is your previous post about how men fall in love and the many steps you listed in that blog. If I remember correctly, toward the end of that blog you mention that only after those steps are completed is when a woman can tighten the noose.

Perhaps complying to a woman's wishes about the position of a toilet seat is in affect allowing her to tighten her noose?

Perhaps a woman thinks that putting the seat down is just a common courtesy that her loved one should be willing to do with a smile on his face?

Or perhaps, deep down in her subconscious she is an evil person and is starving for control over everything and to top it off...is never happy?

dunno

Or perhaps even more, maybe a relationship is a give and take. She may want to you put the seat down; whereas, she will let you hog most of the blankets at night??

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Hi Johnny
Give and take sounds just fine to me; as long as one does not do all the giving while the other does all the taking.grin
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En France, ils n'ont pas le problème. Ils ont une toilette sans toilette. doh
Amen to that. :)
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Hi Cailin
When I was in Paris in 1972 I was to shy to use the public toilets. For all practical purposes you could have been standing or sitting in public.
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Johnny
And they lived happily all after...smitten
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Hi Ummka
I'd be too scared to sit on them. the first two look as if the can bite and the last one looks as if I will drop into it.
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I told, I long laughed.rolling on the floor laughing
Hi Ummka
Yes it is extremely funny. It is amazing what the people can think out.
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Johnny
And they lived happily all after...


Cat,

If we lived in a perfect world, I would certainly agree with you on that. As we all know, we live in something far from perfect.

In all honesty, every option I gave there are all possibilities.

When it comes to give and take. I think give and take depends on both parties in the relationship and their level of tolerance and compassion toward each other.

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Additionally, In give and take, some of the ego has to be set aside.
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Johnny
Give and take in equal proportions know no ego. If there is ego on the one end there had to be a capitulation at the other end. A safe formula for disaster. Both must surrender unconditionally and start from there.

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Hi Calleis.
No, passing the time into retirement. One has to keep busy. Will start solving the real problems then.
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Calleis
Just doing my civic nature. No need to thank me.rolling on the floor laughing
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nah, i dont care if he miss the spot, and this will too be one of my reminder list when i get married, two seperated bathroom, he could do what ever he wished in his bathroom and i could take as long as i want inside my own bathroom.
Hi Kasih,
I think you found the answer but I have two bathrooms in my house but it has never been a problem. I have not had a problem with a lady being too long in the toilet either. We all have our problems from time to time.
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@Cat When it happened to me, it was in other people's homes, not my own. I think it comes down to whether the place you visit/live leaves the lid up or down. As I said before most men are considerate so you often assume the seat is down and when it isn't then it happens. In your own home your girls knew the seat could possibly be up so they always checked for it. But when the seat is normally down you don't think to double check. But then, I guess I'm just 'utterly stupid' along with being a man hater. roll eyes Funny, I never made any remarks to you of the sort and I can think of a few.grin wink

Have a good day Cat. grin tongue
Hi Music
You have a good day too.

If it is any consolation to to you, that blog and all the comments with it had gone missing.frustrated

I think it was mislaid somewhere. dunno But I suppose you won't have anything to do with that.giggle

But in all fairness; when you sit down in the dark, don't you test test it by sitting down slowly? I do. Maybe that is why my nickname in real life is also Catfoot. I am a very careful person.

And you have a good day too.
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But strangely it is always the same faces; or shall we say non-faces. One never knows who you're dealing with.
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