Well the US has severe racial problems both historically and even to this day. I never implied that we don’t. It is improving however but it’s a difficult process because it has to be brought out into the open and a lot of people are uncomfortable about that. Obama is in office and that is a major accomplishment for this nation.
I gave the link for my source. If you feel that Einstein's letter is a hoax or that I have misled anyone is presenting that article, then please prove it fallacious.
I have never claimed that Einstein did not believe in god. I began the thread because some Christians were attempting to assert that he was a Christian. That has turned out to not be the case. The only one discredited thus far is you.
You are the ONLY person on this thread thus far who has made that assertion and you have yet to offer any credible evidence to substantiate that claim so, wrong again. Einstein has not been proven to be a "fraud." Some might argue that you have in fact.
Because people should not be permitted to espouse disinformation. If they choose to do so, they will be called on it. Case in point.
I agree. I have studied physics in college and I was surrounded by atheists. No skin off my nose.
So you totally failed to answer the questions I posed. Any day now. If the flood was "man's fault" why kill all the innocent animals also? Way to skirt the issue, senator.
She was actually a mathematician. But she did a lot of mathematical work on theories of physics. She was famous particularly for her work on symmetries and conservation laws.
Albert Einstein showed that time and space are interchangeable via the mathematical relationships of Relativity, he also showed that energy and matter are interchangeable E=mc^2
Emmy noether then came along and using Heisenberg's Uncertainty principles that Time and Energy are conserved and that Space and Matter are conserved.
So while Einstein connects up some things, Emmy nother came along and showed that EVERYTHING is connected.
Her discovery is every bit as significant as Einstein's but most people don't even know her name, much less what she did.
If Yahweh was such a "proponent of animal rights" as you claim then why the hell did he order the death of thousands of them over the course of the bible? While we are on the topic of cruelty and violence, why did he order the murder of thousands of humans also?
Why did god insist that EVERY innocent animal on the face of the planet be drowned minus a mating pair of each species to be placed on the ark? Of course you can’t drown sea creatures but obviously god didn’t think that part of his plan through.
Oh boy, it’s looking dismal for the "Theist Position."
Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".
Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, "lest ... they ... should understand ... and should be converted, and I should heal them."
"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath."
A child in the sixth grade in a Sunday School in New York City, with the encouragement of her teacher, wrote to Einstein in Princeton on 19 January I936 asking him whether scientists pray, and if so what they pray for. Einstein replied as follows on 24 January 1936:
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being.
However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe — spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
That would certainly leave my mind open to question his "faith" in the sense of any sort of religious dogma. Bear in mind he was also responding to a child.
It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things what Albert Einstein's personal beliefs entailed exactly. Like many of us, he might have changed his views from time to time although most evidence seems to point towards Agnostic. This thread was born out of the myth being perpetuated on another thread that he was a theist and automatically a Christian. Ridiculous.
As far as the accusations of plagiarism Ray, if this was all so abundantly clear and documented as you claim, wouldn’t Einstein have been called on it immediately? It smacks of sour grapes long after the fact.
Well that’s another thread Ray. I’ve actually heard that also, that his wife did a lot of his work. Women in that time period were not allowed to attend school and were expected to pump out child after child. There was another female physicist who was prominent on the scene during Einstein’s time but I can’t remember her name. Of course I can’t because all of the emphasis has been placed on Einstein.
You are right. I think the US is probably the last hold out for Christian fundamentalists. Those that attempt to take every last word of the bible as literal truth.
Oh I know. That’s what I meant when I addressed his comment. I’m saying statistically speaking; of course a scientist here and there will also be religious but don’t run off with that and attempt to assert that the majority of scientists are also spiritual. Most aren’t. Especially those involved with the biological sciences. When I was in school I was surrounded by atheists.
Well statements like that need to be taken with a "grain of salt." It would be a statistical impossibility for a percentage of scientists to not also be religious. In fact most all religions have no problem with even the Theory of Evolution. It’s primarily only the devout fundamentalist types that argue and attempt to take every word of the bible as literal truth. That’s just an exercise in futility.
It's basically what goes on at times in certain threads lol...I just put things in a nutshell.
Yes, but you have made this remark on MY three threads solely. So the implication is that you are taking it upon yourself to call me a trouble maker in some respect. So be it. I have placed these topics in the correct areas of the forum. If you don’t like a little bit of controversy or heated debate, THEN VACATE THE PREMISES.
Well in a sense, being Agnostic is the only "True" position that one can take. We can not know for certain and we can not know for certain that there is nothing.
Well I’m not arguing that he was an agnostic, only that he was a theist so we are totally disagreeing with one another. I think he might have had pantheist leanings honestly and sometimes he sounds like he is a proponent of Buddhism so it’s very confusing. I imagine at different periods in his life, he felt differently about things. Just as we all go though phases. He always appeared to snap back into the realm of the physical and the naturalistic, observable world.
No, Im from california. Im about a half hour north of Rochester. Its a nice little city. Very home townish.
Well you would need to effectively discredit all of the evidence that has been posted thus far. I don’t understand why you would feel it impossible that Atlantis was directly based off the real people and culture of Minoan Crete. Is it because they were a matrifocal civilization?
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Thanks. Yes I really like NH thus far. I apologize but in light of that fact that you were taking the position that he was absolutely an agnostic through his entire life, I figured you would have no problem understanding that my comment was aimed directly at you.
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Was Albert Einstein a Theist or an Atheist?
Well the US has severe racial problems both historically and even to this day. I never implied that we don’t. It is improving however but it’s a difficult process because it has to be brought out into the open and a lot of people are uncomfortable about that. Obama is in office and that is a major accomplishment for this nation.