God...fact or fiction? (926)
mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 PostsFact or fiction, he created both which would make it fact.
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I am sorry you have found so much sadness I know life is hard , I too
have seen these awful things you have stated - we all have- to some extent. I think if I am not part of the solution I am part of the problem so I do what I can whenever and wherever I can. I believe that is why God allows somethings to happen so that we as people can step up and give comfort and aid and love ,but I dont attribute the charateristics of man to God. When I have seen people suffering they have usually been braver than I. When I have suffered I have been braver than those who watched me. I truely believe that this suffering builds something in the human spirit that nothing else can.
If you study the life of the apostles and or the geneiologys of Jesus and the apostles you will find in existence in Roman text the cucifixion of Christ, you will find out the kind of men the apostles were.
and when people speak of fear of the Lord they are not talking about being scared. they are referring to a deep respect .
Also if it is true that God has given us a chance to know him ,from what is written,and be loved by him ( for God would that none should perish but all come to eternal life ),and we have rejected that -- I dont mean to make you angry , I just found your questions interesting and wanted to respond
have seen these awful things you have stated - we all have- to some extent. I think if I am not part of the solution I am part of the problem so I do what I can whenever and wherever I can. I believe that is why God allows somethings to happen so that we as people can step up and give comfort and aid and love ,but I dont attribute the charateristics of man to God. When I have seen people suffering they have usually been braver than I. When I have suffered I have been braver than those who watched me. I truely believe that this suffering builds something in the human spirit that nothing else can.
If you study the life of the apostles and or the geneiologys of Jesus and the apostles you will find in existence in Roman text the cucifixion of Christ, you will find out the kind of men the apostles were.
and when people speak of fear of the Lord they are not talking about being scared. they are referring to a deep respect .
Also if it is true that God has given us a chance to know him ,from what is written,and be loved by him ( for God would that none should perish but all come to eternal life ),and we have rejected that -- I dont mean to make you angry , I just found your questions interesting and wanted to respond
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Perfect love casts out all fear -- do you know what that means?
There is nothing to fear .
There is nothing to fear .
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Creation is proof of God. But it is rationalized by man to be otherwise. Man is not able to create one new thing. So the created denies the creator. They believe themselves instead of the one that does what they can not or even explain. If man explains creation....is it not only written by men without proof.....why do you believe it but not that written by man by the inspired words of the creator. Does the pot deny the potter.
If you understood the Bible, you would see events predicted and fullfilled. The future has been shown to his people and it is being played out now. Each day closer to that told ages ago.
My friend and I were watching the news. He was interested who was to be Pope. I told him it would be the German. He inquired why I said so. I told him to read his Bible. Things are coming about that was predicted and warned of by the scriptures. Believe it or not.
The future is in Revelation and is being shaped everyday to that end.
If you understood the Bible, you would see events predicted and fullfilled. The future has been shown to his people and it is being played out now. Each day closer to that told ages ago.
My friend and I were watching the news. He was interested who was to be Pope. I told him it would be the German. He inquired why I said so. I told him to read his Bible. Things are coming about that was predicted and warned of by the scriptures. Believe it or not.
The future is in Revelation and is being shaped everyday to that end.
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Omega, do you know what actually offends me? People who suggest that by not believing in the Judeo-Christian god you are somehow lacking in your life. That you are sad or misguided, or worse yet, that you don't have the ability to make decisions about right and wrong without it.
I am not sad for my lack of faith in your god. And I would not presume to know your state of being based on your lack of faith in my religious beliefs. Could you pay the same courtesy to everyone?
And fear and respect are not the same thing. God fearing never meant anything to do with respect. It refers to the old testament god, which was something to be feared, because he subjected people to tests that could easily be viewed as cruel. And because you are supposed to fear judgment by him, therefore follow his rules. If you love your faith, I have the utmost respect for that. But it doesn't make it any less disingenuous to suggest that god fearing has anything to do with respect.
I am not sad for my lack of faith in your god. And I would not presume to know your state of being based on your lack of faith in my religious beliefs. Could you pay the same courtesy to everyone?
And fear and respect are not the same thing. God fearing never meant anything to do with respect. It refers to the old testament god, which was something to be feared, because he subjected people to tests that could easily be viewed as cruel. And because you are supposed to fear judgment by him, therefore follow his rules. If you love your faith, I have the utmost respect for that. But it doesn't make it any less disingenuous to suggest that god fearing has anything to do with respect.
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If you had done your homework you would know that reportedly someone has seen God -- in fact there are four people who reportedly have seen God, from two different sources, -- this also will not be evidence enough for you-- I will let you think on it , as it will be made cheap, and I wont cheapen it further by making it so easy as to just tell you if you do not find these refferences in 3 days I will tell you then
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That is known as circular thinking. Creation proves god exists, creation leads to the creation of man, man writes of gods existence, and yet his existence is validation of god. That doesn't work.
If you read Nostradamus, you will find just as many revelations. His aren't necessarily true either, they are just vague enough imagery to be applied widely. They are also both scattered with self perpetuating prophecies.
I am happy you have faith to sustain you, but nothing you've said proves anything. Again, there is no proof, on either side of the question. There is only what different people believe.
If you read Nostradamus, you will find just as many revelations. His aren't necessarily true either, they are just vague enough imagery to be applied widely. They are also both scattered with self perpetuating prophecies.
I am happy you have faith to sustain you, but nothing you've said proves anything. Again, there is no proof, on either side of the question. There is only what different people believe.
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have you read this whole thread
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The revelations are far more precise than Nostradamus. They have come about. If you understood Revelation you could watch it happen.
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Yes, I have the thread, and I even read through her particular posts to see if she made some reference to a sadness over her decision to leave christianity behind in favor of something else. And no where did I see any such statement. I saw, what appeared to me, to be presumptions that she was sad or lost, but nothing to support them. Please, feel free to enlighten me if I missed something. I am always willing to acknowledge a misinterpretation of facts based on lack of evidence.
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you do sound like a nice guy,but also the predictions of Christs coming and his ministry aren't there about 300 old testament predictions, that were fulfilled (and not in a coincidental way but to the letter )just in that senario alone , at the onset of this thread I stated get to know the author before you decide what you believe. The basis of this is God fact or fiction yet no one goes to the source- what is up with that
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I'd be very curious to see the specific references to which you point. Because I don't recall much precision in any such revelations, unless you genuinely think there will be trumpets and dudes on horses.
Know what else...
There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.
So why exactly are there prophecies in the bible? In fact, why is divination used by so many in the bible, and even used to interpret the will of god?
Know what else...
There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.
So why exactly are there prophecies in the bible? In fact, why is divination used by so many in the bible, and even used to interpret the will of god?
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When I hear about children that are hurting in anyway it solicites a hurting & sadness for them within myself. I was not referring to her dicisions, but maybe I was projecting my sadness over these things onto her, her writtings just really struck me as sad and I wanted to say I am sorry and I care
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People can rationalise away anything. To prove something only leaves them of the same opinion. People only change their minds when they look and choose to change it. If you wished to look into the Bible enough to have understanding as to what it says, then you would began to see the truth. Most never look that far into the scriptures. Even Bible Scholars error in so many simple things. Man minds are blinded to even the simple truth. Most Christians are lost as a goose as to the truth and spew fairy tails. These fairy tails are the ones the world fights against. I do also because they do speak against God. They teach that man has an immortal soul...it is a lie. They say man goes to heaven.....lie! Man dies....sleeps.....resurrected.....meets Christ in the air as he returns. "The meek shall inherit the Earth."
If Bible thumpers can not be changed.....how can I hope to change you.
I do not wish to change you. I know you will be ok in course of time.
If you understood, then you would see clear that God does exist.
Know the author and the subject.
If Bible thumpers can not be changed.....how can I hope to change you.
I do not wish to change you. I know you will be ok in course of time.
If you understood, then you would see clear that God does exist.
Know the author and the subject.
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Okay if there are certain laws - gravity etc and someone writes them down is that divination? If indeed there is a God and he is responsible for his -knowledge imparted to us- and he had those things written down, a few thousand years ago. How would that be divination its been there in black and white for quite awhile, and what wasnt there
until it was finished was completed , and it has not beed added to for all this time and would not be accepted added to -- but then you will say that is closed minded because it is not added to.
until it was finished was completed , and it has not beed added to for all this time and would not be accepted added to -- but then you will say that is closed minded because it is not added to.
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The Bible interpetes itself. this is where so many error. The men and horse are symbols. The events were to be locked away until the end times. They are here. First there shall be false religion, next is war, next is famine, then death. Those are the men and houres of the end times. You need more understanding to understand. Yes! There will be a third world war. Many of the symbols of reveletion are of war machines that are here today or are being built.
The Bible interpetes itself, clearly. This is why few understand....they firgure it out and are wrong.
The Bible interpetes itself, clearly. This is why few understand....they firgure it out and are wrong.
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No, writing down a scientific theory is not divination. Determining why a ball will move toward the earth when it is released, even if your suggesting that it will and why, is scientific theory. You're not stating something to be true, you are hypothesizing and then testing that hypothesis.
Divination is the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means. Prophecies existing in the bible were received by divination. It doesn't matter how long they existed, that's how they got there. And there are stories in the bible where people used it to know gods will, yet the bible says it's an abomination. That's a contradiction. In point of fact, attempting to gain knowledge by supernatural means is pretty much how the bulk of the old testament was created. Diving what god wanted to tell people and writing it down is a form of divination. So the whole abomination thing is just a little screwy.
Divination is the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means. Prophecies existing in the bible were received by divination. It doesn't matter how long they existed, that's how they got there. And there are stories in the bible where people used it to know gods will, yet the bible says it's an abomination. That's a contradiction. In point of fact, attempting to gain knowledge by supernatural means is pretty much how the bulk of the old testament was created. Diving what god wanted to tell people and writing it down is a form of divination. So the whole abomination thing is just a little screwy.
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You say they are specific, yet again you only mention the symbolic. And btw, there has been so called false religion since christianity began. There has been war, since mankind began, as well as famine and death. These are nothing new. Tell me about specifics. A man on a horse, no matter what name you give him, does not equal a scud missile. And did I miss disease, or does that fall under famine? If there are 7 signs, why are there 4 horsemen? And you still haven't addressed the issue of divination and abomination.
And we have been on the brink of WWIII in the past, and more significantly than we are now. Do you know even know about the Cuban missile crisis? So things are very scary with South Korea. Guess what, we spent decades in a cold war with one of the largest superpowers, at the time, in history. It never turned into WWIII. If you want to make a point, use facts, not symbols. Otherwise, you're just trying to preach to the impossible to convert.
And also, just to point out, it's not really possible for a text to interpret itself. Not unless it comes with a rosetta stone attached. Just ask the supreme court. And that document isn't nearly as old as your book, and they are working with a copy that's never been translated (or especially translated inaccurately) from multiple languages.
And we have been on the brink of WWIII in the past, and more significantly than we are now. Do you know even know about the Cuban missile crisis? So things are very scary with South Korea. Guess what, we spent decades in a cold war with one of the largest superpowers, at the time, in history. It never turned into WWIII. If you want to make a point, use facts, not symbols. Otherwise, you're just trying to preach to the impossible to convert.
And also, just to point out, it's not really possible for a text to interpret itself. Not unless it comes with a rosetta stone attached. Just ask the supreme court. And that document isn't nearly as old as your book, and they are working with a copy that's never been translated (or especially translated inaccurately) from multiple languages.
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(The basic instrutions before leaving earth) , contains stories of everything, all things man can and will do, that doesnt mean that divination is condoned, it is spoken of, there are examples of when it was used and what the outcome was. But also there were times when God did intercede and God was then very visible though not in his total form, but whole countries and nations walked away from those things changed. It really is a very interesting read.
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