God...fact or fiction? ( Archived) (926)

And on page 42 of this thread your arguments against God and His people are still the same as on page 1 irrespective of what has been said in between. The fiction group still stress the need for irrefutable evidence (and still say that millions of people witnessing to a personal meeting with God is not evidence) and they still equate the christian culture and its tainted history, to God.

Just for the record - my reaction to this remain the same - I met Him in person and this meeting took away all doubt. Not only that - it completely changed me into a different person. That is all the evidence ever needed that God is fact. But wait - there is more - I am only one of a great number of people who had this experience, all witnessing to the same God and all unshakeable in this knowledge. But there is even more - all these people are being led to be part of a great and unstoppable movement. Today I met another person who knew exactly what the vision was that God recently gave me because the vision that he was given adds to mine. Together we and numerous other people are changing our world towards the will of God. I know that I have a current and specific task in God's plan which I intend doing exactly the way that He wants me to do it. I also know that tomorrow or next year there will be another task.

We dont expect the "fiction" group to understand this nor to give us any credit for it. I am writing this so that those who are searching for the truth can direct their search in the right direction. What I have described is the Kingdom of God and has nothing to do with church or the christian culture. The history and sins of the church and the christian culture can not be laid at God's door. It is for the account of those who lead people astray from the Kingdom of the Living God.

I agree with the distinction between the Churches and God but I am still unclear as to what you or others mean by "I met Him in person". Also as a fellow inhabitant of this world, I would appreciate a say in your proposed changes of the world towards "the will of God". Like the Churches, individuals tend to define the "will of God" as matching their own particular prejudices or interests.

Hope all is well down there with you.

I find it interesting that people would kill, argue, or harm to defend their beiliefs in a God
and a 'religion'. Why not hold it, own it, allow others to believe what they wish. Why
not YOU take the responsibility of being subtle about your feelings about this. Let others
vent if they need to. Wouldn't you be showing your true spirituality by being subtle
about adversity... or whatever goodness is surrounding you? Just a thought....

What she said

I second that

And still you are not hearing what I am saying. Let me spell it out in simple terms. There are three entities involved here and you are getting them mixed up in each others affairs. In this way you are holding all entities responsible for the deeds of one.

These entities are the following:
1)God whom we know in the form of three entities each with its own task and workstyle but with ONE character and ONE purpose regarding man.
2)The Body of Christ - defined as those people who chose to belong to Him and surrender themselves to His will.
3)Cultural christianity - defined as those people who chose to align themselves with the culture of christianity.

Group 2 takes their cue from the Living God and their mission is the mission of God as described in many well known passages in the bible. They are no longer thinking in terms of guilt and reconciliation with God but in terms of a loving relationship with the Living God. Using the message of salvation to kill or hurt people will never be a part of what these people represent. Compassion in action is what these people are all about and they will go where ever God wants them to go and do whatever God asks of them. They are not particularly visible because they do not particularly care about what the world thinks of them and because they are under the guidance of God Himself, they do not indulge in any form of group hysterics, as is characteristic of most religions. Strictly speaking these people do not have any religion because each one speaks to God on his own and hears from God personally what it is that God is revealing to him or her. Most important is that these people do not force their will on others but also can not stand back to allow those who are searching for the truth to be misdirected by those who actively disguise or distort the truth. For this we will also not make any excuses.

Out of group 3 is where the historical attrocities originated that is popularly laid at the door of God and his followers.

We met Him in person and as is His character, each probably in a different way and under different circumstances. Some people hear His voice, some people experience His physical presence and for some it is a simple matter of suddenly being able to understand His message in its true context - but nobody who meet Him is in any doubt of who it was that they met or what is offered them. This meeting always changes the persons character - mainly with the will to surrender their lives to Him and do His will. You will always see a new level of compassion and an unexplained new love of people in somebody who met Him.

The bible speaks of the "fruit of the Spirit" (Galatians 5:22-23) and these are the things that appears in people who met Him. Apart from that He gives people individual abilities that has nothing to do with what they were educated to do - and these abilities are always to serve the Body of Christ.

What makes the most sense to me is that God is neither a 'Him' or a 'Her' or even a 'them'
'they' or 'those'. Universal Intelligence is just that: Energy and Information. We are
co-creators in the large scheme of things. We can live for the good of all - which is our
higher nature or we can choose to do anything else our hearts desire. It all is what it is.
Look around, read the news, see what you have created for yourselves in your own world.
The catch is...there are alway consequences for our actions. Actually, it is just an infinite
playground of infinite possibilities. At some point it will all dissolve back into energy and
information as we change form or transform. When you want something bad enough and
focus on it with great intention and attention it comes about. No one REALLY owns ANYTHING.
It all belongs in the realm of energy and information. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

BTW...Call God whatever you want but for God's sake don't fight over it.

You find this thing called consciousness and you have your God.

Sir, from my boyhood up my childhood hero was Chaka Zulu.

I studied much of the folk-law of this great Zulu-King.

And I never forget these words of his regarding the Christian doctrine the English tried to impose on him and his people [paraphrased from the folk-law of course]: ‘What a foolish way for a King to rule over his people, with mercy and forgiveness. There can be only one King of Kings: Chaka! And the Heavens belong to ZULU!

I remember thinking in my youth that he was right, since man even in civilization is a savage and it takes an even greater – and more WILLING – savage to rule over him.

For Christianity is naught but a taming of the animal-will of man to weakness, meekness and mildness.

Christ teaches and preached a morality to and for the poor and powerless, the down-trodden - to exalt them over the heights of the rich and powerful - the supposed ‘evil’. Promising the destitute and poor ‘the kingdom of heaven’ and the rich and powerful that a camel would sooner pass through the eye of a needle than them into the Heavens.

The psychology is clear, all too clear.

Unless you would forsake this world for another, sir, HERE, man must be ruled with an iron fist and under stern laws even IN the name of God. Executed for crimes beyond punishment in terms of duration of imprisonment in particular.

Men sit in prison for crimes against humanity with over 600 year prison sentences in a fine and perfect example of the pathetic decadence and decay of mankind’s judgment made merciful over deeds God himself would send a soul into eternal hell for.

I for one would free them of their earthly concerns with no compunction or fear of a divine rebuke for such crimes as merit a sentence twice and thrice the span of a human life.

Some of us do not have a meek and mild but more savage and KINGLY morality inherit within.

Owing to the lack of strong deterrents as counter-motives to inhumane-crimes man appears to be more evil and becoming more evil in the civilised world today than ever in the past. The notions of good and evil, right and wrong, more obscure and debatable and above all TOLERATED than ever before.

Lending themselves to societal decadence.

Man must be ruled under an iron fist; man MUST be ruled.

But of the moral teachings of Christ I can say no thing against them in themselves.

And I believe in God: a God who once stood and would still stand – behind Kings of Men.

And these kingly notions of old, in themselves, nothing to do with vengeance, but deterrence.