God...fact or fiction? (926)
omega1036spearfish, South Dakota USA1 Threads 481 PostsI would not presume to judge you. 
and yes it is a problem that people think of themselves as more moral than someone else. I was referring to the Quote from Nietzsche
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I hear what you say Omega but, earlier in the thread, there was scorn poured over us unbelievers due to the fact that God was getting a lot of mention - some of us try to redress the balance and - whatdya know - we get pulled up for that too - I think I can justifiably allow myself a laugh at this point 
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You are still quoting "original thoughts" from other peoples writings. Do YOU have an original thought of your OWN??? That is what I was asking? Opinion formed from experience in life, NOT in reading some other person's writings? Are you capable of an original thought generated from your brain, YOUR brain, not someone else's??? That is what I asked, and you pretty much answered the question, but I am giving you a second chance, just because I am curious, and because I find you quite interesting. It's one thing to enjoy another person's writings, it's another thing to have ORIGINAL thoughts all your own...Let your guard down, enjoy your OWN thoughts...share them with us. It would be terrific. You can quote other people's things, but it is a bit droll because it is not coming from you.
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my point is that reason , thought, and intellect also are not belief (or non belief) specific.
Question, pursue, leave no stone unturned, in search of truth.
Question, pursue, leave no stone unturned, in search of truth.
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Its one of my pet irritants that assumptions are made about morality being the sole right of the god fearing - I dont think so
Although I find Nietzsche to be a bit on the strong side of philosophy, I nonetheless like some of his anecdotes;
Yes, those two were pretty original
but, considering my quotes come from more than one source, I can see how it may be somehow disconcerting to some - there we go , another original one
All above my own thoughts - and so below
and, I dont have to justify what i write or post - to you or anybody else - carry on being unpleasant but I am out of here - I have some university work to do which calls for debating many peoples thoughts, and interjecting my own opinions - rather than from a single source
Although I find Nietzsche to be a bit on the strong side of philosophy, I nonetheless like some of his anecdotes;
Yes, those two were pretty original
but, considering my quotes come from more than one source, I can see how it may be somehow disconcerting to some - there we go , another original one
All above my own thoughts - and so below
and, I dont have to justify what i write or post - to you or anybody else - carry on being unpleasant but I am out of here - I have some university work to do which calls for debating many peoples thoughts, and interjecting my own opinions - rather than from a single source
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and besides, to place my own opinions above those of some of the greatest minds in history is beyond my sense of modesty.
Maybe when I get my Phd. I will make such endeavours but till then - I think not, at the moment, the already accepted greats can say it for me - isnt this the essence of knowledge anyway - use it or lose it so to speak - for the time being, they can all say it so much better than I.
I also find the concept of original thought somewhat dubious, arent all thoughts predicated on fundamentals established heretofore?
Blind Faith does not constitute original thought either, in my book
Maybe when I get my Phd. I will make such endeavours but till then - I think not, at the moment, the already accepted greats can say it for me - isnt this the essence of knowledge anyway - use it or lose it so to speak - for the time being, they can all say it so much better than I.
I also find the concept of original thought somewhat dubious, arent all thoughts predicated on fundamentals established heretofore?
Blind Faith does not constitute original thought either, in my book
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"Its one of my pet irritants that assumptions are made about morality being the sole right of the god fearing - I dont think so"
Ayn Rand absolutely rejects that Morality is the sole Right of Religion or ,as you put it,the Godfearing.
She maintains that Morality has been hijacked by them,that they offer people a Counterfeit-Morality.
Ayn Rand absolutely rejects that Morality is the sole Right of Religion or ,as you put it,the Godfearing.
She maintains that Morality has been hijacked by them,that they offer people a Counterfeit-Morality.
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Blind faith is not an original thought, it is just what it states. My opinions are based on life experiences.
What would happen say in the middle of time if people had stopped having original thoughts because those people that came before them already had expressed their opinions? Where would the world be today?
A PHD and the greats that came before you cannot say what you have inside of your head, because they have never been there. Only you have.
Alas, I agree to disagree because this could go on forever. Thank you for your debate. It was extremely enlightening. Especially the part about not addressing the subject of Wiccan or the Wicker Man. Very interesting indeed.
Have good studies.
What would happen say in the middle of time if people had stopped having original thoughts because those people that came before them already had expressed their opinions? Where would the world be today?
A PHD and the greats that came before you cannot say what you have inside of your head, because they have never been there. Only you have.
Alas, I agree to disagree because this could go on forever. Thank you for your debate. It was extremely enlightening. Especially the part about not addressing the subject of Wiccan or the Wicker Man. Very interesting indeed.
Have good studies.
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personally im agnostic. im unsure to the existance of god/angels/heaven and hell. if you want me to believe in it you had better have some really good proof. its one of those things id love to believe in it gives you something to look forward to after you pass away. at the same time i would never try to talk someone out of their beliefs. what each individual believes is their own business. there is no offense intended with what i am about to say but here it goes. i am not going to let a church shove their religion down my throat and force me to believe in something that i am very unsure of. im not gonna try to force you into believing what i believe in so please dont try to force me into something im not so sure of. as i said before no offence intended so please dont take all this personally.
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The thread is about God - Fact or Fiction - not about Wicca though I do find it curious that you assume my opinions are not based on life experiences, at the age of 53 , I beg to differ - so much have I learned that I would not judge a whole concept on the basis of watching one film as your own life experiences have led you to do in the case of the Wikka Man.
I do not have to prove that there is a God as it isnt me making the claim
By Robert Hartwell;
Faith serves a two-fold purpose. First, when a superstitious person fails to defend supernatural ideas, faith is used as a protective shield - a stubborn denial of facts - enabling the believer to avoid admitting they're wrong. Second, faith “must” exist to make prophetic religious scripture appear to have authority. For instance, Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine convinces people that faith is a must, if you are to attain eternal salvation. In reality, faith does nothing more than cause people who “want to believe” in supernatural ideas to ignore contrary evidence. When you fail to defend an idea that makes no sense and you’re unwilling to admit you’re wrong, faith "must" exist. It’s obvious that faith is an intellectual copout. Professing faith is not only a shameful act of self-delusion but it's only required when you're attempting to defend a false idea or an outright lie.
Yes, thank you - I do enjoy my studies - very much so - and now I will get on with them
I do not have to prove that there is a God as it isnt me making the claim
By Robert Hartwell;
Faith serves a two-fold purpose. First, when a superstitious person fails to defend supernatural ideas, faith is used as a protective shield - a stubborn denial of facts - enabling the believer to avoid admitting they're wrong. Second, faith “must” exist to make prophetic religious scripture appear to have authority. For instance, Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine convinces people that faith is a must, if you are to attain eternal salvation. In reality, faith does nothing more than cause people who “want to believe” in supernatural ideas to ignore contrary evidence. When you fail to defend an idea that makes no sense and you’re unwilling to admit you’re wrong, faith "must" exist. It’s obvious that faith is an intellectual copout. Professing faith is not only a shameful act of self-delusion but it's only required when you're attempting to defend a false idea or an outright lie.
Yes, thank you - I do enjoy my studies - very much so - and now I will get on with them
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MORALITY========The Ability to Distinguish Right from Wrong;And the Integrity to act on it.
Not the "Thou shalt and Thou shalt nots.
One is Moral by Choice,not Compulsion or Fear.
Not the "Thou shalt and Thou shalt nots.
One is Moral by Choice,not Compulsion or Fear.
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Yes,her Fiction and Non-Fiction Books are among my Favorites.
"The Fountainhead"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"We the Living"
Her Nonfiction,like "The Virtue Of Selfishness" and others.
She was quite some Writer and Philosopher,and her Philosophy,Objectivism,is still going strong.
"The Fountainhead"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"We the Living"
Her Nonfiction,like "The Virtue Of Selfishness" and others.
She was quite some Writer and Philosopher,and her Philosophy,Objectivism,is still going strong.
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Hi,again.
Some of those Philosopers she mentions she is using as a Negative Example though.
Some of those Philosopers she mentions she is using as a Negative Example though.
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Thanks for the info Conrad, I only had a quick look at her writings earlier but I have promised myself a novel for over christmas and she may just be the one - or one of haha.
I thought that she would be using some negative examples when I posted the list earlier, a lot of those people I have glimpsed or had deeper readings of - Thanks again
I thought that she would be using some negative examples when I posted the list earlier, a lot of those people I have glimpsed or had deeper readings of - Thanks again
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You're welcome.
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"own thinking" won't work with believers
they believe the book, the preacher, what ever they like
Yes "the Farce is with us" and will always be with us because critical thinking is not an attribute of the god thinkers !
they believe the book, the preacher, what ever they like
Yes "the Farce is with us" and will always be with us because critical thinking is not an attribute of the god thinkers !
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Try proofing that there is no God. Science was nothing but therories. Really no proof.
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This guy is spot on..
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Someone else does not understand the difference between a Hypothesis and a Scientific Theory.
Jeeeeeeeeepers
Jeeeeeeeeepers
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