God...fact or fiction? ( Archived) (926)

All together now.....

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius!

Surely thumping a bible is a sin?
Does that not negate the whole premise of this thread by suggesting that both sides of the "argument" are basically the same?

There is a spectre haunting Europe:

How narrow American minds have become, how far-removed from ‘reality’, from ‘nature’, from their ‘roots’ – from WHERE we come from, from what we ARE.
From what great human beings and pioneers of knowledge have had to teach us of what we are.
And how they take the limits of their own narrowed-view for the limits of not only the world’s but the whole of mankind’s history and even pre-history – as if man is and has always been this soft weak little ’ling hunched over a keyboard over whom society in its best intentions and in HIS ‘best interest’ has set-laws over him like a garrison in a conquered town and made him feel guilty of his own natural impulses and desires it has so strived to suppress.

Make NO mistake!

Man is the most fully capable, physically equipped, suited and astonishingly - nay, astoundingly! - adaptable survivalist in the history of the world. He made it through an ice age!!!!!

And if the dodo was better adapted to survival than man, and man is the least adapted to survive ‘in nature’, then I give assent to the fact that: all wood burns, therefore all that burns is wood.

YOU – a meek and mild Christian (all credit to you) may be torn apart by a lion; a Zulu youth used to have to go out bare-foot clothed in a lion-cloth, find one and kill it with an assegai before he was allowed to ‘go into the women’ and become a man (have a wife - or rather, wives – and therefore children).

They wore proudly the dressings of deadly leopard skins and cheetah furs they went out and hunted with spear and raw-hide shields; and had carpets on the dirt floors of their huts made from cured full and complete lion hides; paws, claws, head and teeth included.

Every single Zulu warrior under Shaka Zulu’s reign had to go out and kill a lion just shy of with his bare hands as an initiation right to be a Zulu warrior.

Man is perfectly suited to adapt and survive in nature, and has indeed done so excellently (an understatement!!!!) since his origin!

The English, as an adjunct to this, as ambassadors to the queen, proposed to King Shaka that a persecuted, crucified Jew was the son of God and the savoir of mankind, the power and the glory, the way the truth and the life - and The King of Kings.

To which Shaka replied: There can be only ONE kind of kings: Shaka! And the Heavens belong to ZULU!

Then they blew the Zulus away with muskets and cannons and destroyed and disbanded the Zulu Empire forever and even today there are Zulu decedents of King Shaka who, in the saddest example of a glorious race robbed of its culture and heritage, accept Jesus as their ‘personal savoir’ in some ungodly, unholy union and cross-mixture and sick-amalgamation of the destruction and highway-robbery of their own unique and individual culture.

Conrad, you're my boy!!!!

Sir, I would much appreciate if you went back and read the two posts I addressed to your notion of man as the worst adapted to survive on the planet and reconsider or reconfirm your conviction to me.

Furthermore, I would like to say regardless of our differing views, that you and your posts embody the essence and feeling of a true Christian and therefore everything I find to be praise-worthy to no end of the accomplishments of the life of that great man Jesus Christ who, while I do not accept as my personal savoir or as the son of God, I do accept as a great, wise and brilliant human being and teacher of mankind whose teachings and tragic life have helped forward the human race in its understanding of its huge predicament.

I applaud you and respect you, sir - one way or another.

But I find there is so much more to seek and discover from other great teachers of mankind to TEACH us how to live. And that Christ, and even The Bible, is a limited resource to me.

These words ‘an eye for an eye makes the world blind’ - I would like to impart to you if you have not come across them before. They could easily have come from Christ himself. They were said by Mahatma Ghandi in his Autobiography upon whose cover is written the words ‘God is Truth’.

I have always kept these three words close to me.

God is truth: and this, sir, is how I seek him. And I am somewhat of a mercenary in doing so, if you can forgive that.

Some several pages ago I remember you said ‘be as Christ-like as possible’

I give assent to the fact that no man who truly strives in this endeavour can go morally wrong if he understands that there was only one true Christian, and he died on the cross - and that there is no such thing AS a Christian, only an aspiring one.

And that is my own philosophy on your religion which I impart to you with all respect, sir, as the clear ambassador of it that you are.

I am not a bad man, sir, but I am an unapologetic, ruthlessly self-appointed mercenary of truth and I am willing to burn in the fires of hell for all eternity if that is my punishment for forsaking every religion on Earth other than the worship of the search for the sanctity of TRUTH.

Since I keep those three words of Gandhi so close to me:

Truth is my God, and my life is my search for Him in His many manifestations of it.

My discourse to you starts at the top of thread 41.

God has to be there unless you take into account that scientifically everything is made of elements such as Hydrogen.Which is the simplest element.And the first 27 elements originate from Hydrogen.And I could go on.My question is Where does hydrogen get its stuff from?

Why do you automaticly assume everything we don't know the answers to must be god's work?