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Nov 13, 2007 2:48 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
cardsfan24
cardsfan24cardsfan24somewhere in paradise, Illinois USA40 Threads 1 Polls 5,169 Posts
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Nov 13, 2007 2:55 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Gothbabe
GothbabeGothbabeDurban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa59 Threads 2 Polls 1,623 Posts
Thank you Cards........thumbs up
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Nov 13, 2007 2:56 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
paul2287
paul2287paul2287bluffton, Indiana USA3 Threads 67 Posts
I believe in a creator. Someone that gave us the tools to work with. If you think about it everything is created by something. I just dont see the big bang theroy working in my head. To tell you the truth i believe in heaven to. Only because ive seen evil's touch on ppl. Seeing soldier after soldier come back mentaly and physically messed up i have to believe that there is something better then this. I have to say that someone is looking out for us. He puts us in weird postions everyday just to test or morals and ethics. Ive heard stories of guys being shot at by what seemed to be 20 ppl and not get one scratch. Ive seen helmets brought back with the bullets still in them. I even seen a video of a guy that got shot in the sleave of his shirt and didnt get hit. Life is to complcatied to say yes there is a god or no there aint. But i believe that we all are going somewhere better and that God or whatever you call him is looking out for the ones with morals and ethics and the ones without he guides them in the right direction.
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Nov 13, 2007 2:56 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
cardsfan24
cardsfan24cardsfan24somewhere in paradise, Illinois USA40 Threads 1 Polls 5,169 Posts
Your welcome hun, I think it's the same poster of this thread all the time that's my 15 cents now...laugh
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Nov 13, 2007 3:05 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
paul2287
paul2287paul2287bluffton, Indiana USA3 Threads 67 Posts
Dont to down on your opinon darlin. Cause to each there own. But when you say there is evidence for Evolution. Your right to a certain degree. Because if everything goes back to a tiny organism. What created that? A big rock? Alright a big rock created life! I can deal with that now what created that big rock? And what created that Bigger rock? You see what i mean. Its all good dont mean to down on ya. Just wanted to see what you thought!
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Nov 13, 2007 3:11 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Gothbabe
GothbabeGothbabeDurban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa59 Threads 2 Polls 1,623 Posts
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Nov 13, 2007 3:38 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Where did the Universe come from - there are so many theories on this issue that they are coming out of our ears - none of them conclusive either way as physics dissolves close to the point at which things are measurable. Education has only been the right of the masses for less than a hundred years - be patient and we will know what we need to.

below is from a site called 'curious about astronomy' ;

Assuming the Big Bang is a valid theory of the creation of Earth and the Universe, then where did the original mass come from, that formed everything that we see today?

First of all, note that mass and energy are equivalent. So, the total mass of the Universe need not be conserved even though the total energy (taking into account the energy that is equivalent of the mass in the Universe) is conserved. Mass and energy are related by the famous equation E=mc2. Hence if there is enough energy, photons can create matter-antimatter pairs. This is called pair production and is responsible for the mass in the Universe.

As to where everything came from, there is no conclusive opinion. One idea was that the Universe was created from vacuum. This is because according to quantum theory, the apparently quiescent vacuum is not really empty at all. For example, it is possible for an electron and a positron (a matter antimatter pair) to materialize from the vacuum, exist for a brief flash of time and then disappear into nothingness. Such vacuum fluctuations cannot be observed directly as they typically last for only about 10-21 seconds and the separation between the electron and positron is typically no longer than 10-10 cm. However, through indirect measurements, physicists are convinced that these fluctuations are real.

Hence, any object in principle might materialize briefly in the vacuum. The probability for an object to materialize decreases dramatically with the mass and complexity of the object. In 1973, Edward Tyron proposed that the Universe is a result of a vacuum fluctuation. The main difficulty of this proposal is that the probability that a 13.7 billion year old Universe could arise from this mechanism is extremely small. In addition, physicists would question Tyron's starting point: if the Universe was born from empty space, then where did the empty space come from? (Note that from the point of view of general relativity, empty space is unambiguously something, since space is not a passive background, but instead a flexible medium that can bend, twist and flex.)
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Nov 13, 2007 3:38 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
In 1982, Alexander Vilenkin proposed an extension of Tyron's idea and suggested that the Universe was created by quantum processes starting from "literally nothing", meaning not only the absence of matter, but the absence of space and time as well. Vilenkin took the idea of quantum tunneling and proposed that the Universe started in the totally empty geometry and then made a quantum tunneling transition to a non-empty state (subatomic in size), which through inflation (the Universe expands exponentially fast for a brief period of time which causes its size to increase dramatically) came to its current size.

Another idea is from Stephen Hawking and James Hartle. Hawking proposed a description of the Universe in its entirety, viewed as a self-contained entity, with no reference to anything that might have come before it. The description is timeless, in the sense that one set of equations delineates the Universe for all time. As one looks to earlier and earlier times, one finds that the model Universe is not eternal, but there is no creation event either. Instead, at times of the order of 10-43 seconds, the approximation of a classical description of space and time breaks down completely, with the whole picture dissolving into quantum ambiguity. In Hawking's words, the Universe "would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE."

So, the origin of mass in the Universe and the Universe itself is quite speculative at this point. If you are interested, you can read Alan Guth's book "The Inflationary Universe", page 271-276. You can also read Hawking's "A brief history of time: From the Big Bang to black holes" page 136
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Nov 13, 2007 5:51 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
I see your point here....but I actually think it is because people use the word Atheist loosely when they really mean they are Agnostic. Atheism - the belief that there is no God - is in itself a belief. Agnostics have a problem with beliefs based on faith and no apparent evidence. I suppose to be fair a lot of "Christians" use that term loosely too as they appear to believe in their own version of the Christian God, cherry-picking the bits from the Bible that support their own social views.
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Nov 13, 2007 5:56 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Westdeck
WestdeckWestdeckAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands82 Threads 1,649 Posts
God is a concept.
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Nov 13, 2007 6:04 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
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Nov 13, 2007 6:31 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
parsons
parsonsparsonswestbury, Wiltshire, England UK12 Threads 53 Posts
if there is a ''CHRIST'' or a ''GOD'' then why do i have a severly disabled nephew who can do nothing for himself.. and why havent my payers been answered that one day he may have been able to walk in his childhood or be able to pick something up for himself. if there is an ''almighty god'' then why ????????
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Nov 13, 2007 6:50 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
If you believe the Scriptures, at one time the tribes had complete proof of the existance of God. Still they did not all follow God. Those who did not are fully condemned. In time the proof became doubted. In this state, the Church (called out ones) are to have faith in God and of God. If there was complete proof today, without understanding more would be condemed without hope for their rejection of God's way.
Due to false teaching and the absorbing of pagan beliefs, the churches of man have lost the understanding. They believe that man has an immortal soul and goes to heaven or hell at death. This is false teaching and pagan. The reason for stating this is to relate this... There are three resurrections. One at the return of Christ, second one when the books are opened (The understanding in truth the books of the Bible or scriptures.) The third one will be those that are condemed knowing the truth and rejecting it. These along with those of the second that reject will be cast into the lake of fire to be consumed. (not tortured forever)

In a nutshell......Man is to live now by faith. If being lead by false teachings, will have the books opened to them in the second ressurection. Those rejecting will join those others rejecting before, in the fire to be consumed.

If you have proof you can not live by faith. You will be living by proof. If at this time you have proof.....you would need to understand and change your ways to keep from being condemed. God has made a path to protect and keep as many as possible from destruction.

No one comes to Christ unless the father calls them. Your lack of proof is protection from false teachings until you are called to understanding of the truth.

Man must live by faith!

Of course all of this is only if you believe. Keep in mind that most of the churches and teachings people hate are man's churches and false teachings from pagon roots. That is why in the Bible, God's Church is called the little flock. God only made one Church. Man has made many!

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Read and prove all things in the Bible yourself after hearing. If you are looking....Buy a Strong's concordance with the Hebrew and Greek dictionaries and learn to use it. The rest is as easy as adding one plus one plus one and getting three. Do it only if you want to. If not that ok too. Best wishes!
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Nov 13, 2007 7:05 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
God did not choose this way of life for us. Adam and Eve set us on this path of self rule. It is we that cause all the troubles we have.

If we serve a false god with false teachings how can we call on the true God to solve our problems so we can continue to do what we want.

God did not cause your nephew's problems. Your prayers have been made to a god that man has made in their own image. Look for The true God of the Bible and then obey. Then he will hear your prayers. God may have better plans than what we want, but it will always be what is best for us in the long run.

Don't be angry with God.....find him. If you will read the Bible, when healing was done......it was because of faith...."Your Faith hath made thee whole."

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Nov 13, 2007 7:08 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
I think every religion is guilty of that.
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Nov 13, 2007 7:11 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
Faith is not just believing something is. The fallen angels know he is real. But because they believe he is does exist... does that save them. Not hardly!
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Nov 13, 2007 7:14 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Gothbabe
GothbabeGothbabeDurban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa59 Threads 2 Polls 1,623 Posts
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Nov 13, 2007 7:30 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
The things I have learned has been done by a deep and sincere search for only the thruth. I tried to prove both sides of a subject. One side was disproved quickly (the side I wanted it to be)and the other I could never prove wrong. So, I had no choice but to change my opinion and understanding. I found most common teachings are wrong. I wished it was not wrong because it was the way I want it to be. But I love truth better.

I am not as good a person as I should be. I have gone through a very hard time. The most dirty I was done during this time was from church people. So I have been bitter for a while. I have worked hard to end the troubles on me. I have learned alot about people. I no longer am bitter. But they are the same. I need to be what I know is right.



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Nov 13, 2007 7:43 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
the code of Humerabi tells of a great flood.... Other religions spoke of a graet flood, all pre-dating old testament versions by at least 1500 years. The fact that a massive flood had taken place is not in question!

The reason for the flood is taken to task, though. At the risk of sounding liks a smartass(me?). All living things would not have died in the flood, as stated in the Bible. Would not fish have lived? and other water living mammals?

It is also of importance to to note thar the code of Humerabi also has the ten commandments...almost verbatim as to what Moses "devinely received" on the mount. Moses could not have written all that is ascribed to him, because a verse says thst "Moses died and his body is hidden from the people"( paraphrase) How could Moses have said that he died and wrote it down???doh
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Nov 13, 2007 7:45 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
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