God...fact or fiction? ( Archived) (926)

But I find that since ‘we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God’, on what sufficient grounds can one therefore assert oneself an Atheist? It can only be evidence weighing heavily on one side of the scale of argument, but – the element of doubt STILL exists because of the insufficient totality of the grounds!

Therefore one still asserts the non-existence of God on SUBJECTIVE grounds and not purely OBjective ones.

For an understanding of the necessity of sufficient grounds in subjective considerations lending themselves to assertions one must read ‘The Four-Fold Root’ of the principle as expounded most excellently by Dr Arthur Schopenhauer.

I am INDEED an intellect!

O how many Atheists upon whose path I have come who refute the existence of God on the basis of the existence of suffering in the world and the genetic unfairness of which I have above alluded to (not that Charlos is one of these).

However, nevertheless, God does not show favouritism to believers anymore than to Atheists. If indeed to anyone.

God does not show favouritism!!!

Debating whether God is fact or fiction is not asinine (it only becomes so when we are hit with dogmatic grounds proposed as proofs, whether for or against God as fact/fiction); in fact I gave the conclusion some several pages ago and it is an irrefutable fact: the conclusion to this thread is clearly (yawn) that God can neither be proved or disproved on any sufficient given grounds, therefore this element of doubt [which exists in both propositions for and against god] even if all else under subjective consideration is given AS certainty, owing to the element of doubt as the insufficient reason in the totality of the given grounds, really leaves even the most devout believer in the end as an Agnostic.

People believed the world was flat until someone went out and proved it was round. Because of DOUBT. Because he questioned what was given as a certainty on insufficient grounds!

Like God – but, moreover, like the NATURE of God.

What was it again that great sceptic who philosophised all that dogma stifling the learned world away with a hammer, said again? Oh, yes!!!: ‘I am no man: I am DYNAMITE!’

And the people I have referred to as blockheads, dullards and fools, have been the people who have come on this thread and attacked intellectuals and academics like Trish who actually BELIEVES in a God per se:

‘Are you capable of a single original thought with your brain, YOUR brain?, evidently not from the answers you have given’ etc.

Now I know you apologized for this, and Trish accepts that - but I do not side with anyone who attacks the learned. Ever.

The question of this thread asks for proof to back up God's existence or non-existence;

Almost every stout believer (in the form of a religious nut) has just attacked any attempt to disprove god while not expounding any proofs: this attack is proposed as the proof.

And some absolute bloody idiot drew up a tally showing that most believe in god as ‘proof’ (sufficient grounds) that god exists. Haha. That Gnome, I believe.

Well, indeed the majority believed the world was flat!!! And that was no sufficient proof that the world was!!!

And I say all THIS, of all things, as a believer IN 'God'.

Albeit . . . as a deeply irreligious one.

Yes leatboyroy, I am still here, denying you the much coveted 'last word'.

The tally was not offered as a 'proof', just thought all might appreciate an update. I of course made sure to count you as a believer.

Please tell me that Charles Manson is not considered in the same learned society as Schopenhauer!
If so then, pity those studying with you. Manson is the breathing definition of a sociopath. The only reason you have read his words is that he managed to perform deeds so revolting that he has become a one man psychological freak show. Because of misguided intelects such as yours he WAS released from prison, and again because of the elite intellectual minds he was spared execution. And to further burden your elite society, he is allowed to propagate his 'intellectual' vomit upon mankind.

All credit to you,,,indeed!

ive only read this page but i agree w/ most of what you just said

yeah
a sociopath profound

he is the reason laws are being passed denying 'free speech' to prisons
it co signs someone else to ramp up their own sickness

this is an age old 'debate' and boring boring boring
you cannot necessarily provide facts for something that even atheists agree is experiential

so there is little to debate

i am however tired of being persecuted for discussing my experience strength and hope
altho i neednt worry as it was said somewhere that this would come to pass and viola!

christians and 'fat' people-
the last to be openly discriminated against w/o reprimand...
any other bigotry is wrong but these are so frickin intellectually based

yeah


bite me

Well, all I can say is that we have differing views on the age of the earth. The timeline in the Bible indicates about 6000 years, give or take a few. As a wiccan, I would not expect you to believe the Bible. However, that doesn't change the fact that it is accurate about history, or that it provides scientific anologies years before mankinds feeble minds discovered them. Perhaps the reason we are so ready to dismiss the Bible these days is the mention, particularly in the old testament, of so many miracles and extraordinary things that God wrought. Jesus carried on this tradition in the new testament, healing the sick, raising the dead, so that our modern minds either dismiss it or believe it to be the work of some magician, or slight of hand specialist. But I see too many threads of truth in the Bible to dismiss it. There were no pre-historic men, no millions of years old anything, unless God created it that way. Carbon dating, and other forms more recent, are fairly accurate, I'm sure. All that means to me is that God created a planet millions of years old. Thank you for your contributions to the thread, and may blessings fall upon you.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

This post is not to judge, incite anger, or condemn anyone, so please do not take it that way. Throughout this thread,

there have been many speculations and few facts. In this post I offer you the proof of God you seek.

1. Pray

2. Admit, or confess to God that you are a sinner (we all are).

3. Repent of your sins.

4. Accept the Lord Jesus as your personal saviour.


If you do these things, you will find the proof of God you seek. The Bible says, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth* in Him shall not perish,but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." From the gospel of John, chapter three, verses sixteen and seventeen.

*trusts, relies on

For any questions, thumper bashing, got to h$%&s, or anything else, feel free to email me here on CS.

I've met 'God'. I even think my friend has a picture of him doing dishes....lol

it has had the result that it does b/c when it first started out poeple were killed to be made examples of the convert or die thing or they were tortured until they converted. they struck fear into people and converting. come on lets face it it is either convert or spend the rest of enturnity in the firery pits of hell. now which sounds better?? and heres something for ya most of christianity themes comes from paganism/wicca.

‘And to further burden your elite society, he is allowed to propagate his 'intellectual' vomit upon mankind.’

Thank God they ARE ‘allowed’ !!!!!!!!

His words – and the fact that they are thankfully available as opposed to suppressed - do not further burden our ‘elite society’, but rather help us to study and further understand why people turn out this way.

You, sir, ARE AN IDIOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!